Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;459026]Was anyone really surprised when Ramsey got yanked? He didn't do anything to solidify himself as the guy, and Brunell was Gibbs' handpicked QB. And in the end the team went 10-6 and made the playoffs. Tough to argue with the results.[/QUOTE]

I was surprised and very much against the decision at the time. In retrospect, it probably was the right decision. (Ramsey hasn't done anything to show us, the Jets or Broncos that he's starter material). He has to go down as a bust.

I'm hoping for a little leeway with JC this year. The reports I have heard out of camp so far have been less than encouraging but it's still early. The worst thing the fans can do is start clamoring for the back up before the season begins.

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[QUOTE=jdlea;459019]I'm of the opinion that he gets this whole season and maybe the start of next. I really don't think it's fair to judge a guy on 20 starts and 7 coordinators in 8 years (going back to college).[/QUOTE]

agreed. but with an asterisk: if campbell does not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is 'the guy' this year, he does not get a contract extension, we draft another qb and have an open competition next offseason between the rookie, brennan and campbell.

personally, i think he mainly needs to improve at reading defenses. if it weren't for bad reads (which lead to interceptions) late in the games against the cowboys and the bucs, we could easily have been 11-5.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;459027]TC will become the started, or we'll find away to aquire a differnt QB.[/QUOTE]

I really hope you're wrong. Todd Collins should have looked better last year, he knew the system inside and out. He is the consumate backup quarterback, the guy can come in and get the job done, but he's not a starter in this league. If Zorn starts Collins, I'm not going to be a happy man.

There are usually growing pains with a young quarterback. That's the nature of the beast when you install a young QB. It's naive to think that anyone should have the same sort of success Brady and Rothlisberger had immediately. Look at Peyton Manning, he was brutal his first season, but they let him learn. Most guys don't do well when they first become a starter in the NFL.

This argument about how long to give a young quarterback is one that doesn't really have a solution. I really hope, though, that Zorn doesn't have the quick hook that you're implying he should.

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[QUOTE=J. Spanky;459038]agreed. but with an asterisk: if campbell does not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is 'the guy' this year, he does not get a contract extension, we draft another qb and have an open competition next offseason between the rookie, brennan and campbell.

[B]personally, i think he mainly needs to improve at reading defenses. if it weren't for bad reads (which lead to interceptions) late in the games against the cowboys and the bucs, we could easily have been 11-5.[/B][/QUOTE]

I see your point, however, the pick against the Boys I had a problem with because you can't run a fade route with Santana Moss. It was a horrible route to a small reciever. I think that his year, with some bigger recievers, those sorts of throws will start to go away.

He's going to have issues this season. He needs to progress as the year goes on, but for anyone who thinks there won't be any growing pains this year (with a new offense, head coach, O coordinator) is crazy.

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[QUOTE=jdlea;459042]He's going to have issues this season. He needs to progress as the year goes on, but for anyone who thinks there won't be any growing pains this year (with a new offense, head coach, O coordinator) is crazy.[/QUOTE]

absolutely. but i think there is more pressure on the defense to maintain (or, hopefully, increase) their level of play. we have too much talent on offense to be much worse than we were last year, despite growing pains. i don't think any of our starters approached their potential except cooley and randle el.

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[QUOTE=J. Spanky;459043]absolutely. but i think there is more pressure on the defense to maintain (or, hopefully, increase) their level of play. we have too much talent on offense to be much worse than we were last year, despite growing pains. i don't think any of our starters approached their potential except cooley and randle el.[/QUOTE]

I agree, we just have to hope that the line isn't decimated and nagging injuries to recievers. That also hurt them last season.

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[quote=jdlea;459039]I really hope you're wrong. Todd Collins should have looked better last year, he knew the system inside and out. He is the consumate backup quarterback, the guy can come in and get the job done, but he's not a starter in this league. If Zorn starts Collins, I'm not going to be a happy man.

There are usually growing pains with a young quarterback. That's the nature of the beast when you install a young QB. It's naive to think that anyone should have the same sort of success Brady and Rothlisberger had immediately. Look at Peyton Manning, he was brutal his first season, but they let him learn. Most guys don't do well when they first become a starter in the NFL.

This argument about how long to give a young quarterback is one that doesn't really have a solution. I really hope, though, that Zorn doesn't have the quick hook that you're implying he should.[/quote]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You mean we shouldn't expect the kind of success that Romo is having? [/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

I think JC is going to be OK but I'm not totaly sold on him as of right now. Can anyone tell me of a game where JC has lead a comback victory late in a game?

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[QUOTE=hesscl34;459049][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You mean we shouldn't expect the kind of success that Romo is having? [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Not unless we have the line and receivers that Romo has at his disposal, IMO. And let's not get too crazy, Romo has been effective, but he's won exactly the same amount of playoff games as JC...

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[quote=BleedBurgundy;459053]Not unless we have the line and receivers that Romo has at his disposal, IMO. And let's not get too crazy, Romo has been effective, but he's won exactly the same amount of playoff games as JC...[/quote]


ha ha.. this is just funny...

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

After hearing Zorn's interview on Redskins.com last night, I really feel like TC is the odd man out. This is all my opinion. He really has high hopes for Derek Devine.

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[quote=DIRTEE;459067]After hearing Zorn's interview on Redskins.com last night, I really feel like TC is the odd man out. This is all my opinion. He really has high hopes for Derek Devine.[/quote]

Isn't Derek like our #4 QB or something? I'm sure he was just praising his hard work in practice and nothing more...

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

this is the make or break year for Campbell in my eyes. I don't want to end up like the Bears or Tampa but he needs to step up.

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[quote=BleedBurgundy;459036]I was surprised and very much against the decision at the time. In retrospect, it probably was the right decision. (Ramsey hasn't done anything to show us, the Jets or Broncos that he's starter material). He has to go down as a bust.

I'm hoping for a little leeway with JC this year. The reports I have heard out of camp so far have been less than encouraging but it's still early. The worst thing the fans can do is start clamoring for the back up before the season begins.[/quote]

Honestly I think those that were surprised or against the decision probably were members of the Pat Ramsey man-crush club, either that or the Brunell haters club.

If Ramsey tore it up in the preseason and was lighting it up against the Bears in that season opener I highly doubt he would have gotten the quick hook, but we've been over this a million times so I'll drop it now.

Here's to hoping that JC never gives Zorn a reason to yank him unless it's due to injury.

Re: Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)
 

[quote=hesscl34;459049]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You mean we shouldn't expect the kind of success that Romo is having? [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]
NO. Coaching is huge, especially for a young QB. Romo had 3 years to sit and learn from Sean Payton, who I would say is a pretty good QB coach. Plus, Romo won all kind of awards in college (DI-AA), and was highly rated every year in passing efficiency. Campbell had Bill Lazor and a bunch of turmoil on offense between Gibbs & Saunders. Give JC this year with Zorn, if he has not improved significantly by the end of the year I'm sure Zorn will "do the right thing" in the off-season.

But, I'll bet you a case of Sam Adams that Campbell will have a significantly better year than last.