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[quote=SouperMeister;507444]I'm still at a 5, and here's why: With the personal attention that he's giving Campbell, we will know by next year whether Campbell is trending toward becoming an elite QB, or a journeyman. The scheme certainly hasn't appeared to be the problem to me. O linemen getting beaten, WRs dropping 1st downs, and Jason occasionally making a poor throw are what's holding the offense back. I believe that we're a lot closer to turning the corner than it would appear, but IMO, it all starts up front with the O-line. Once they become more consistent, I'm optimistic that Zorn's offense will start humming.[/quote]

With all that close attention he is giving JC I would think he would be getting better not going backwards. Besides the game against the Giants we have not had a bunch of dropped passes. The evidence is the lack of any threads or post talking about dropped passes until this week. I now give Zorn a # which is down from a 4 because he is getting out coached and it seems that he does not adjust well when things are not working. I still like Zorn but he is also learning so it will take some time for him to adjust in his new role.

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[quote=Schneed10;507471]So what, he's retarded or something?

How hard can it be?[/quote]

I'd hope not.

But that's the excuse they keep giving for keeping him inactive from week to week. I figure the least they can do is activate him and let him run a couple of plays per game. What's the worse that can happen? JC stays either horizontal or running away from defenders most of the game anyway and the only two players with consistent hands are Moss and Cooley. I don't think it could hurt to give Davis a few reps.

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Overall my Zorn Meter

Energy--8. He is no geriatric man. This isn't a shuffleboard team Im glad we are more relateable to guys in the first 1/4 century of their lives.

Tutorage--8 Thats a sliding scale with JC looking like he is relapsing. But JC has HEARD alot of new instruction. Can a new dog learn new tricks???? Plan B for Brenanan in the works and hopefully Plan C for Collins will be done after this year and we can find somebody worthwhile.

Knowledge--7. I think he gets lost in the hypothetical or philosphy too much but honestly, only behind closed doors will that be shown. But at the QB position he is known, how to run an offense is different from running a huddle. His playcalling deserves a potent Coordinator and is Sherman the guy or just a friend. It didn't work out for Billick/Fassel

Final Product---3 By week 12 with our starting QB playing everygame this is a lateral season progressing no where. Lack of WR is obvious but sending Sellers out wide for patterns is a travesty. Never capitalizing with spreading the field lining up 4-5 wide except when we are trailing or last drive of the game really defeats the purpose.

Overall liking him personally, though we never met, probably keeps him here another season AT LEAST from a fan/ player perspective.

[QUOTE=irish;507452] I wonder how much will be left of CP after this season and the pounding he's had to take.[/QUOTE]

He knows he's loved here. He is getting a Phat paycheck. I just hope his interest in US stays the same. We need him to like the system. If we really cared about him taking a pounding we would dump BETTS and find a replacement. If Betts isn't taking KR/PR than we can find a guy who can and spell for CP. Since every team knows we won't or can't throw the ball on their top 3 CB's they stack the box it has to be hard on CP. Thats why he made those comments earlier this year.

[QUOTE=charlielyons;507438]I like what Jim Zorn is doing with the Redskins.....I hope the FO allows him to stick around for a while and really develop this team to their potential[/QUOTE]

Consistency is STEP #1. Our impatience causes us to work backwards way too much. I like that he is very personable. He enjoys his life and can be seen sporting a smile on every day BUT game day. Things could be worse, lets not overlooked that. I hate to relive/rethink Saunders but it seemed in both of their first years Saunders' seemed slightly more productive with passing yards and thats all we need. We need 300+yd passing a game and everythig else will fall into place with that. I just worry that Zorn doesn't have a phonebook size playbook, maybe just a 12 page playbook and the last few pages are Steve Largent caricatures.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;507443] When was the last time you saw a counter this year? I haven't seen it.[/QUOTE]

I saw one I think in Steelers or Dallas game and it looked like a surfer getting engulfed in a killer wave. 3 yard loss. It looks like our guys lost a step to run our sweet sweet counter trey.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;507436]Wow. A (mostly) positive post from irish - Has any one checked hell to see if the demons are ice-fishing??

7-5, beating Philly and Dallas in their backyards in his first year? Even with the brutal third quarter, he is still a 4 in my book.[/quote]

While it was somewhat stunning to hear a....not generally negative appraisal of Zorn, "The I" did not miss the oppurtunity to twist the knife in Joe2's back...........

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I'm down to a 3 on the Zorn-O-Meter.

Please get me back to a 5, Jay Z!

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[quote=Hog1;507479]While it was somewhat stunning to hear a....not generally negative appraisal of Zorn, "The I" did not miss the oppurtunity to twist the knife in Joe2's back...........[/quote]

I dont think I have ever posted a neg thing about Zorn. I thought it was a great hire from the beginning.

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3. The offense has digressed. Opposing teams have figured out Zorn's attack and he is making very few adjustments. Too many passing plays that go sideways. Rely too heavy on Portis. As Portis goes, so goes the Redskins. Zorn needs to use his passing threats more. I point of emphasis should be to get Santana Moss going early. Use Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis. What the hell did we draft these guys for, blocking downfield, running end reverses and special teams. Throw them the damned ball!

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[quote=SouperMeister;507444]I'm still at a 5, and here's why: With the personal attention that he's giving Campbell, we will know by next year whether Campbell is trending toward becoming an elite QB, or a journeyman. The scheme certainly hasn't appeared to be the problem to me. O linemen getting beaten, WRs dropping 1st downs, and Jason occasionally making a poor throw are what's holding the offense back. I believe that we're a lot closer to turning the corner than it would appear, but IMO, it all starts up front with the O-line. Once they become more consistent, I'm optimistic that Zorn's offense will start humming.[/quote]

Fantastic analysis IMO - i've tried to explain before I have total faith in the QB situation (if not JC) because of who is heading this ship.

Overall I give Zorn a 4. While poor execution along the line and among our WR corp has killed us and those position coaches need to put the hammer down (Hixon should be gone IMHO) Zorn still has the ultimate responsibility to "discipline the generals [B]and[/B] the troops."

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[quote=DynamiteRave;507468]They still say he can't digest the playbook.[/quote]
I don't know if thats the whole truth. You don't need the whole play book to use him on a few plays here and there. All they have to do is while on the side lines tell him this play you run ten yards and turn left and the ball will be on its way. Heck, I have heard of QB's making up a play in the huddle because they saw something that would work. I'm sure thats not done very often in todays NFL but it not rock science.

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[quote=firstdown;507505]I'm sure thats not done very often in todays NFL but it not rock science.[/quote]Geology?

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[quote=Hog1;507479]While it was somewhat stunning to hear a....not generally negative appraisal of Zorn, [B]"The I" did not miss the oppurtunity to twist the knife in Joe2's back[/B]...........[/quote]

Yes, I got that too. In the spirit of site detente', however, I chose to ignore it.

Quite frankly, and IMHO, without Joe Gibbs, there is no Jim Zorn. But that is a whole other thread.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;507468]They still say he can't digest the playbook.[/quote]

I'm sorry but that BS. This guy was a stud at USC and they run an offense that is as close to a pro offense as it gets. I'm blaming the coaches as much as I'm blaming Davis. I'm sure he can remember 5 red zone plays.

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[quote=irish;507498]I dont think I have ever posted a neg thing about Zorn. I thought it was a great hire from the beginning.[/quote]
I know you just call em' like you see um...Irish.
..............site detente'........?? Joe, that is awesome

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[quote=The Goat;507504]Fantastic analysis IMO - i've tried to explain before I have total faith in the QB situation (if not JC) because of who is heading this ship.

Overall I give Zorn a 4. While poor execution along the line and among our WR corp has killed us and those position coaches need to put the hammer down (Hixon should be gone IMHO) Zorn still has the ultimate responsibility to "discipline the generals [B]and[/B] the troops."[/quote]

I agree. With Zorn, even when we've not played well, I continue to feel as though we're close and our best days are ahead. I haven't felt that way consistently through a season in a long, long time.

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[quote=skinsfan69;507544]I'm sorry but that BS. This guy was a stud at USC and they run an offense that is as close to a pro offense as it gets. I'm blaming the coaches as much as I'm blaming Davis. I'm sure he can remember 5 red zone plays.[/quote]

Or, if he can't. he never will. With 5 preseason games (plus 11 regular season = 16 games), minicamp, etc., these guys have all had Zorn's playbook since June. No excuse for not knowing it. Now I grant that there can be a difference between knowing the plays and having them become second nature so that you don't need to think about them -- you execute. But they've had the playbook for 6 months now and this is what they do for a living!! Anyone out there have a job where 6 months of intense study and practice and poor execution would be tolerated?