Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

While I don't think it's a good idea to air all this crap out through the media, CP has every right to be frustrated. The dude is a workhorse and has done most everything ever asked of him on the field. If he truly is as banged up as it's been reported, then God bless him for sucking it all up and at least trying to contribute game time. Yeah, it'd be great for him to practice, but if you're that wrecked, how can you expect him to make any real contribution for what is left of our season?

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Well when he went public about the line not giving him holes the holes appeared maybe now Zorn will call a better game.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=redsk1;509955][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/portis_rips_zorn.html]Portis Rips Zorn - Redskins Insider[/url]

Uh oh, hear it comes.

RI: Portis Rips Zorn[/quote]

This sucks! Sounds like Zorn has lost portis! Also sounds like Portis just freaking hates Zorn!

Sounds like, based on Portis' words, and based on Zorn's protection schemes, and based on Zorn's decision to keep only two back up lineman on the bench, and based that Zorn can't accept any blame, and based on Zorn's words of "get the ball out quicker!"........................................It sounds like Zorn doesn't know what the heck he's doing! I hope he learns quick. This season is a wash, but if Zorn doesn't fix this quickly; next year will be a wash too!

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Growing pains, not unexpected during a tough stretch like this. Let's win against Cincy--that will help the most.

CP shouldn't do this, but it's not a surprise. He's always been given slightly different treatment; he's an odd but very talented guy.

Zorn needs to learn about how to handle these things. It will take some time. To be honest, I'm glad it's happening. He has to be able to deal with this kind of adversity and player management, or he cannot be a head coach in the NFL.

No way Danny and Vinny should touch Zorn--one, give the guy a friggin chance! Two, who would EVER want to coach here with management like that? Three, first year had coach, new passing system, new line adjustment system, first year for JC in the system, weak and injured o-line, rookie WRs who can't make an impact. Give it some time!

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Dlyne8r;509976]While I don't think it's a good idea to air all this crap out through the media, CP has every right to be frustrated. The dude is a workhorse and has done most everything ever asked of him on the field. If he truly is as banged up as it's been reported, then God bless him for sucking it all up and at least trying to contribute game time. Yeah, it'd be great for him to practice, but if you're that wrecked, how can you expect him to make any real contribution for what is left of our season?[/quote]

Did you watch the Zorn presser? He wasn't ripping Portis. He didn't say he was benched because he didn't practice. He said Betts was doing better in the passing game (basically), that they were behind and had to pass, that they were trying to get Portis healthy, etc. I know what Portis is referring to, the part where Zorn said that Portis was helping too much in pass pro and not getting into routes, but it takes a pretty thin skin to take that to the level that Portis did. He is a great player, but super high maintanence as well. Gibbs understood that (or accomodated that) and coddled Portis. Zorn is not. Now Portis is pouting. But it's BS. Zorn might be well advised to follow a more Gibbsian model in his pressers (the reporters hated it, but being tight lipped helps hold a locker room together) but that is not his style and I doubt he will pull back. But go watch the presser and see if you think Zorn's comments warranted a very Owens-like outburst by Clinton Portis.

Having said all that, much of the offensive struggles have to fall to Zorn. If your offense, that you implemented and call plays in, has scored fewer points than Detroit then execution is probably not the only problem. But Portis' comments are still way out of line.

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[quote=SmootSmack;509960][B]Yeah, I can tell you for a fact that the locker room is a bit of a mess right now.[/B] But look, this is the first real adversity Zorn has ever had to deal with as an NFL head coach. It would have been ridiculous to think he would never have to face this-a bad losing streak while massaging massive egos-but if we want to be truly committed to him and to buidling success for the long term than he needs to prove he can get through it.[/quote]

This would've never happened if Gibbs was still around. Boy, I start missing Gibbs v.2.0 more and more every Sunday.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

I disagree that it's a bad thing that Portis is airing things out. How many times have we seen the Giants air out their dirty laundry and go kick some ass? I mean, everybody - everybody in NY has been thrown under the bus. This is part of the NFL culture in 2000's. You play through adversity and public criticism. Bottom line, different teams respond to different things.

Dallas has played through it. The Eagles have constantly played through it. Why can't the Redskins take a little public heat from one of their superstars and get shit together? Besides, who balls and plays hurt more than Portis. No one.

It's not like he said Zorn is horrible and needs to be replaced. Now that's out of line. He just called a spade without calling it spade.

And I mean no disrespect here, but if Gibbs no drama rule worked so good, we would have won more.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;509985]Did you watch the Zorn presser? He wasn't ripping Portis. He didn't say he was benched because he didn't practice. He said Betts was doing better in the passing game (basically), that they were behind and had to pass, that they were trying to get Portis healthy, etc. I know what Portis is referring to, the part where Zorn said that Portis was helping too much in pass pro and not getting into routes, [B]but it takes a pretty thin skin to take that to the level that Portis did. He is a great player, but super high maintanence as well. Gibbs understood that (or accomodated that) and coddled Portis. Zorn is not. Now Portis is pouting.[/B] But it's BS. Zorn might be well advised to follow a more Gibbsian model in his pressers (the reporters hated it, but being tight lipped helps hold a locker room together) but that is not his style and I doubt he will pull back. But go watch the presser and see if you think Zorn's comments warranted a very Owens-like outburst by Clinton Portis.

Having said all that, much of the offensive struggles have to fall to Zorn. If your offense, that you implemented and call plays in, has scored fewer points than Detroit then execution is probably not the only problem. But Portis' comments are still way out of line.[/quote]


i could not have said it better myself.
nice post

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Based on what I've seen on tape, Zorn did the only thing he could do to help this team win. Did it work? No. But he's not wrong for doing that.

This is Portis' problem. He's still the focal point of the offense, and he has a historically short memory so I think he'll be fine. But he agreed to sign here for a bunch of years guarenteed, so it's his job, not Zorn's to make him be a team player. We know how hard the guy is willing to work when he's committed to a cause, but we can't afford to have a lack of production from Portis if he isn't going to work at it.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;509936]Zorn has been making some dumb decisions and play calls also. He doens't use the personnel we have wisely too. Why did they log a go route to ARE during the game..Wouldn't that been a better play for Kelly or Devin..Why aren't we using Davis. Why was Portis benched? Why don't we atleast try to go down the field more..Questions..Zorn called plays good when he mixed in the run..But then I think he got obssessed with passing the ball to set up the run instead of vice versa..I am very disappointed..[/quote]

i dont agree with much from your post, sorry. i was on WP this morning and everything was normal, come back tonight and were bashin zorn. that damn examiner . .

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=SmootSmack;509970]. Further, almost all the players don't like that he's been calling out the players on execution and seemingly taking no blame for the schemes. [/quote]

Ive noticed that tone from the start in his press conferences. I was concerned about it at first but it kind of slipped to the back burner in my mind. I always kind of took him like he was enjoying the celebrity a bit too much but kept my mouth shut because everyone seemed not to mind... but he does call out players a lot.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

oh, and i understand that portis is def. a primadonna, but you expect it from some players... and he's not that bad and will do what he's asked on the field...

zorn has to hold the team together. we'll see how it all pans out.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Who would have guessed when we sat at 6-2 that come the 2nd week of December we'd be discussing Zorn's job security, missing the playoffs, coaches calling out players, players calling out coaches, people suggesting Colt unseat JC as starter....

Unreal. Nothing is EVER easy as a Redskins fan.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Kevin Locket once told me (yeah that's right I'm name dropping) that it's very easy to win as a team. But the true test is when you can lose as a team. Because it's a lot easier to just be individual players when you're losing. And I think it was London Fletcher who made that same point last year when he said (to paraphrase) "Even when we were losing, Coach Gibbs never let us lose sight of the fact that we're a team. And we win and lose together."

This is something Zorn, I'm sure, will fix sooner than later.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;509985]Did you watch the Zorn presser? He wasn't ripping Portis. He didn't say he was benched because he didn't practice. He said Betts was doing better in the passing game (basically), that they were behind and had to pass, that they were trying to get Portis healthy, etc. I know what Portis is referring to, the part where Zorn said that Portis was helping too much in pass pro and not getting into routes, but it takes a pretty thin skin to take that to the level that Portis did. He is a great player, but super high maintanence as well. Gibbs understood that (or accomodated that) and coddled Portis. Zorn is not. Now Portis is pouting. But it's BS. Zorn might be well advised to follow a more Gibbsian model in his pressers (the reporters hated it, but being tight lipped helps hold a locker room together) but that is not his style and I doubt he will pull back. But go watch the presser and see if you think Zorn's comments warranted a very Owens-like outburst by Clinton Portis.

Having said all that, much of the offensive struggles have to fall to Zorn. If your offense, that you implemented and call plays in, has scored fewer points than Detroit then execution is probably not the only problem. But Portis' comments are still way out of line.[/quote]

Unfortunately, no, I did not see the presser as I no longer subscribe to CSN here in the ATL (no thanks to our local economy), nor did I see it anywhere else. But, thanks for enlightening me on Zorn's reasoning. Look, even though I'm completely in the tank for CP, I'm painfully aware of his need to have his ego stroked and that he can be very high maintenance. However, sometimes it's impossible to keep everything pent up inside and you must vent. It's very likely that CP being so emotional is what gives him such great drive and determination. Yet, I do wish that he had not made his feelings known in the media as now it will become just another distraction.