Re: Portis
 

Is this a serious thread? CP is the least of our concerns. Where were you during the first half of the year? So, 6 weeks w/ a injured CP, an injured offensive line will cause you lose sight of a top NFL Rb?

Re: Portis
 

This thread is angry! People who post here are angry! People who read posts here become angry! And now I'm angry! I don't know why, but I'm angry!

Re: Portis
 

Portis is a diva, and he hasn't broken a game breaking run since I can't remember. Regardless, w/out CP we aren't even 4-10 right now. He is a viscious blocker, a good (if not spectacular) runner who almost always seems to get positive yards (he is averaging 4.6 yd/att), a better receiver than given credit for, and is admired by all for his toughness. He is, by far, the best player on the team and is only 27 years old.

Irrespective of the salary cap issues, if the Skins were to cut him, they might as well blow the team up entirely because that is what they would effectively be doing. Portis gives us the chance (next year) to be a real contender. If someone were to offer us a boat load of draft choices and players (see: Hershel Walker), maybe. Even then, we would look like KC does now for a couple of years.

Bottom line - Portis is an asset and a valuable one.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=redsk1;512263]Is this a serious thread? CP is the least of our concerns. Where were you during the first half of the year? So, 6 weeks w/ a injured CP, an injured offensive line will cause you lose sight of a top NFL Rb?[/quote]

I will give it to Portis..... he played great the first 7 games of the season.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;512237]I agree.... [B]my point is that it seems like Portis is the only guy immune to the critics.[/B]

Everyone seems to think he is the lone bright spot, I disagree.

My critique of Portis doesn't encompass just this season, I'm talking about his whole career as a Skin. And I know he has great numbers, something just seems to be missing.

but you are right, $20 million guaranteed....he isn't going anywhere.[/quote]

Immune from critics? You mean critics who would, hypothetically of course, accuse him of dogging practice? Critics (again hypothetically) say his dress up routine was a distraction? Critics (more hypotheticals of course) who are former players and current radio announcers who take him to task on the air?

As for his whole career as a Skin - you must be referring to 2005 when he literally carried the team into the playoffs on his legs.

Something missing? Every opponent that I have heard speak of him calls him one of the most complete backs in the league, compliments him on his ability & toughness, and speaks with almost awe about his vicious blocking.

CP is not, has not been and never will be an elusive back. He is power and
speed (yes, speed). He has been unable to use his speed much because the line cant create holes that let him get to the second level untouched and, with defenses keying on him, he rarely gets into a true "open field".

"Missing something"?? Yes, he is missing Adrian Peterson's line that would give him holes that allow him to get to the second level. He is missing a passing game that will shake the defense loose from keying on him.

If his performance has not been the "lone bright spot", it certainly has been [I]a[/I] bright spot.

Re: Portis
 

He can't use his speed because he is always stumbling forward losing his balance.

I don't hate Portis, just think he is a little over glorified

Re: Portis
 

It's not Portis its the line. look at the production in the first half of season that translated to wins. Now the line is broken down and they can't run or pass block. It's that simple people Portis and Campbell are suffering because of and old ass busted ass line that just might be the worst in the league in its current state. P.S. Unless we get all new lines on both sides of the ball we will be even worse next year!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;512277]Immune from critics? You mean critics who would, hypothetically of course, accuse him of dogging practice? Critics (again hypothetically) say his dress up routine was a distraction? Critics (more hypotheticals of course) who are former players and current radio announcers who take him to task on the air?

As for his whole career as a Skin - you must be referring to 2005 when he literally carried the team into the playoffs on his legs.

Something missing? Every opponent that I have heard speak of him calls him one of the most complete backs in the league, compliments him on his ability & toughness, and speaks with almost awe about his vicious blocking.

CP is not, has not been and never will be an elusive back. He is power and
speed (yes, speed). He has been unable to use his speed much because the line cant create holes that let him get to the second level untouched and, with defenses keying on him, he rarely gets into a true "open field".

"Missing something"?? Yes, he is missing Adrian Peterson's line that would give him holes that allow him to get to the second level. He is missing a passing game that will shake the defense loose from keying on him.

If his performance has not been the "lone bright spot", it certainly has been [I]a[/I] bright spot.[/quote]

I agree, you've summed this up pretty well. I think the thread can be closed now lol

Re: Portis
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;512235]In the immortal words of Robert Downey Jr., we've gone "full retard."[/quote]

funny thing, you all said the exact same thing when people were doubting whether JC had the proper skills to make him a great qb at seasons beginning.

just grinds my gears when people call things "retard" or "stupid" around here. reasonable skins fans can disagree on alot of things and portis' value is one of them. the OP isnt proposing some CP for AP trade, or anything truly retarded.

whats retarded is giving CP such a contract that it makes it impossible to move him when the RB position is the easiest to fill. rookies come in and start right away. there are 20 other RBs in the league that could get as much or porbaly more yards for the number of carries portis has had here.

i like portis, hes done some great things for us but running the ball is the easiest thing to do. betts came in a few years ago and we didnt miss a beat. portis doesnt make people miss so really all he does is get the most yards our blocking and scheme will allow then he falls down (albeit usually forward).

portis doesnt create his own yards after first contact, alot of players could put up similar numbers or better given our O line and run first mentality the past 5-6 years. he gets as many yards as the Oline can clear for him, period. then he goes and bashes these same guys who he should be washing their cars and saying thank you to.

go skins!!

Re: Portis
 

[quote=Miller101;512264]This thread is angry! People who post here are angry! People who read posts here become angry! And now I'm angry! I don't know why, but I'm angry![/quote]

damn your right, now im kinda pissed off!! lol

Re: Portis
 

[quote=over the mountain;512290]damn your right, now im kinda pissed off!! lol[/quote]
Agreed..

Re: Portis
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;512277]Immune from critics? You mean critics who would, hypothetically of course, accuse him of dogging practice? Critics (again hypothetically) say his dress up routine was a distraction? Critics (more hypotheticals of course) who are former players and current radio announcers who take him to task on the air?

As for his whole career as a Skin - you must be referring to 2005 when he literally carried the team into the playoffs on his legs.

Something missing? Every opponent that I have heard speak of him calls him one of the most complete backs in the league, compliments him on his ability & toughness, and [B]speaks with almost awe about his vicious blocking[/B].

CP is not, has not been and never will be an elusive back. He is power and
speed (yes, speed). He has been unable to use his speed much because the line cant create holes that let him get to the second level untouched and, with defenses keying on him, he rarely gets into a true "open field".

"Missing something"?? Yes, he is missing Adrian Peterson's line that would give him holes that allow him to get to the second level. He is missing a passing game that will shake the defense loose from keying on him.

If his performance has not been the "lone bright spot", it certainly has been [I]a[/I] bright spot.[/quote]

Well put.

Something that people overlook alot of the time is that Portis can put anybody on their ass when they slide past our broken down line. When a man who stands 5' 11'' and weighs 220 can put 300+lb defensive linemen or linebacker on his back consistantly and also hold the rank of a top rusher in the league - I think he doesn't have to worry much about job security.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;512277]Immune from critics? You mean critics who would, hypothetically of course, accuse him of dogging practice? Critics (again hypothetically) say his dress up routine was a distraction? Critics (more hypotheticals of course) who are former players and current radio announcers who take him to task on the air?

As for his whole career as a Skin - you must be referring to 2005 when he literally carried the team into the playoffs on his legs.

Something missing? Every opponent that I have heard speak of him calls him one of the most complete backs in the league, compliments him on his ability & toughness, and speaks with almost awe about his vicious blocking.

CP is not, has not been and never will be an elusive back. He is power and
speed (yes, speed). [B]He has been unable to use his speed much because the line cant create holes that let him get to the second level untouched[/B] and, with defenses keying on him, he rarely gets into a true "open field".

"Missing something"?? Yes, he is missing Adrian Peterson's line that would give him holes that allow him to get to the second level. He is missing a passing game that will shake the defense loose from keying on him.

If his performance has not been the "lone bright spot", it certainly has been [I]a[/I] bright spot.[/quote]

good post joe, i normally read the posts before i post but didnt this time and probaly should have b/c you say somethings that def make me stop and think.

but idk, i still think its the other way around. portis is only as good as his blockers, he can only get as many yards as his O line clears for him. he very seldom makes a move or sheds a tackle to get extra yards. at running back i want a game changer, someone who can take a run make a guy miss and take it to the house.

the one bolder part (i know what your saying, portis needs to get to the second level untouched so he has the opportunity to make guys miss/make plays . .cant do that when you have guys on you or if you had to make a move to make a guy miss in the backfield) but there have been times when portis was 1-on-1 with a lb and that lb makes the tackle or portis falls forward.

idk, i dont think portis is as great as most and i think what portis gives us in the runningback position could easily be found elsewhere, hell i even think portis might have been holding this team back the past few years. its really the amount of money and how that hog ties our hands that really bugs me he most thoo.

go skins!!

sorry for the multi posts

Re: Portis
 

[quote=over the mountain;512296]good post joe, i normally read the posts before i post but didnt this time and probaly should have b/c you say somethings that def make me stop and think.

but idk, i still think its the other way around. portis is only as good as his blockers, he can only get as many yards as his O line clears for him. he very seldom makes a move or sheds a tackle to get extra yards. at running back i want a game changer, someone who can take a run make a guy miss and take it to the house.

the one bolder part (i know what your saying, portis needs to get to the second level untouched so he has the opportunity to make guys miss/make plays . .cant do that when you have guys on you or if you had to make a move to make a guy miss in the backfield) but there have been times when portis was 1-on-1 with a lb and that lb makes the tackle or portis falls forward.

idk, i dont think portis is as great as most and i think what portis gives us in the runningback position could easily be found elsewhere, hell i even think portis might have been holding this team back the past few years. its really the amount of money and how that hog ties our hands that really bugs me he most thoo.

go skins!!

sorry for the multi posts[/quote]


I agree with you.... "holding us back" is a good way to put it.

To those who keep pointing out that Portis is such a great blocker (and I agree he is)..... He isn't getting paid $20 mil to pass protect.

Re: Portis
 

[QUOTE=maroonandblack30;512303]I agree with you.... "holding us back" is a good way to put it.

To those who keep pointing out that Portis is such a great blocker (and I agree he is)..... He isn't getting paid $20 mil to pass protect.[/QUO

The thing is - he is getting paid to pass protect ALONG WITH rushing the ball, making corners and safetys bite up etc. Thats the job of a well rounded good running back.