Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

Sweet Jesus!

Runyan IS Jansen. Why the hell would we replace an aging and ineffective past top RT with another? That is the silliest thing I have heard.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;532452]As of now he's a risk, unless he can change his way till draft day.[/quote]

It's well worth it. Smith is one of those guys thats still good even when he doesn't try. However keep in mind this is where having to radioactively date our aging O-line becomes an advantage.

I have little doubt that the guys will push Smith to be his best, keep in mind a lot of them (especially Thomas and Samuals) seem to have that mentor mindset in that they don't mind taking players under their wings. Hell even Thomas said last year before the draft that we needed to add depth on the O-line, even if it meant drafting his replacement.

In my opinion there are some places were certain positions are destined to succed and O-line is that kind of position for the Redskins. Especailly with Buges as the coach.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;532450]Ha, ha, you are funny!! :spank:[/quote]

Sorry man, couldn't help it.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=SmootSmack;532454]Why would you replace Jansen with Runyan?[/quote]

I rather have Jansen and give him another chance. The only reason I say this is, if Jansen does get cut then I would sign Runyan and give him a 1 year contract and plug the whole for this year.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;532461]I rather have Jansen and give him another chance. The only reason I say this is, if Jansen does get cut then I would sign Runyan and give him a 1 year contract and plug the whole for this year.[/quote]

Do you think Runyan would come cheap? I doubt it. Plus half of this board would blow up for bringing another aging lineman into the mix.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=70Chip;532457]So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.[/quote]

U know what's wrong here? Hint: check out my sig :)

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=70Chip;532457]So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.[/quote]

Actually I can't think of more than a few good WRs who did have good first years. It is rlatively accepted that rookie WRs struggle. Now do they struggle like ours did? Not sure...injuries played a huge role in that but name more than 5 who played WELL. Not just average or almost average.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=SmootSmack;532454]Why would you replace Jansen with Runyan?[/quote]

Jansen doesn't have a commercial with ford.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=70Chip;532457]So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.[/quote]

Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson each had 10 or fewer receptions their first season; Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Plaxico Burress each had 20 or fewer.

Steve Smith's rookie season: 10 catches, 154 yards, 4 carries, 43 yards (8 fumbles, 3 lost)

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 3 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=70Chip;532457]So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.[/quote]

Steve Smith - 152 yards his rookie year
Wes Welker - 0 Yards his first two years in the league
Vincent Jackson - 52 Yards his Rookie year (1,098 last year)
Santana Moss - 40 yards his rookie year
Donald Driver - 31 Yards Rookie Year
Jerricho Cotchery - 60 Yards Rookie Year
Derrick Mason - 186 Yards Rookie Year
Amani Toomer - 12 Yards Rookie Year
Rod Smith - 152 Yards Rookie Year

Not the most flattering list but it does happen. I actually have Thomas and Kelly (aka Lazy and Peg Leg) as future 700 yard guys with the possibility of maybe 1 or 2 1,000 yard seasons but thats just me.

Plus I think it's worth menitioning that Thomas got screwed out of a big play by Stephon Heyer against Arizona.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

Why don't we restructure Jansens contract, and then cut him...or trade him along with Golston and betts to Detroit for their 2nd round pick

And just watch Andre smith he is better than most of our olineman right now; I don't care if he ran away from the combine or got suspended for dealing with an agent, the guy can play and start immediatly for us and be great for years to come, if he is still at 13 it's a no brainer that we'll draft him...if he's not there then we'll trade down

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=The Goat;532463]U know what's wrong here? Hint: check out my sig :)[/quote]

Nice sig Goat. I don't think there is any doubt the receivers didn't play well last year. But the bottom line is we were 6-2 until the o-line collapsed.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=Nflnick11;532470]Why don't we restructure Jansens contract, and then cut him...or trade him along with Golston and betts to Detroit for their 2nd round pick

And just watch Andre smith he is better than most of our olineman right now; I don't care if he ran away from the combine or got suspended for dealing with an agent, the guy can play and start immediatly for us and be great for years to come, if he is still at 13 it's a no brainer that we'll draft him...if he's not there then we'll trade down[/quote]

Andre Smith was a Combine flop because, in his words, he was "not in shape."

As a prospective NFL player, it is his job to be in shape! Would you go to a doctor who said he couldn't be bothered to keep up with medical advances? Would you go to a lawyer who said he didn't care about bar certification? Geez, Andre Smith would have been better off showing up at the Combine in a t-shirt which said "BUST" in block letters.

His talent doesn't matter - JUST SAY NO to Andre Smith.

Re: The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

[quote=Lotus;532472]Andre Smith was a Combine flop because, in his words, he was "not in shape."

As a prospective NFL player, it is his job to be in shape! Would you go to a doctor who said he couldn't be bothered to keep up with medical advances? Would you go to a lawyer who said he didn't care about bar certification? Geez, Andre Smith would have been better off showing up at the Combine in a t-shirt which said "BUST" in block letters.

His talent doesn't matter - JUST SAY NO to Andre Smith.[/quote]

Didn't Thomas and Kelly come into camp out of shape?