Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

My first thought would be here we go again, in start over mode yet again. :doh:

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

Exactly what I'm thinking. We'll AGAIN have the wrong players for the wrong scheme and AGAIN if Shanahan doesn't produce a champion in 2 years, we'll be doing the saaaame thing again.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

I think Shanahan in an uncapped world would be tough to beat.

But that's only if you actually give Shanahan time to shape things the way he wants them, and it's only if you stay out of his way, and only if you commit to him. It's hard to see that happening.

And like Matty said, it sucks starting over every other year.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=Mattyk72;547894]My first thought would be here we go again, in start over mode yet again. :doh:[/quote]

I totally agree. Its impoossible to be successful when you keep changing coaches every couple of years.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=irish;547903]I totally agree. Its impoossible to be successful when you keep changing coaches every couple of years.[/quote]

And couple that with constant changes/uncertainty at QB and it's a recipe for 8-8

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=Mattyk72;547906]And couple that with constant changes/uncertainty at QB and it's a recipe for 8-8[/quote]

IMO, I think its a recipe for a lot worse than 8-8. This is an 8-8 team with everything working well forget about it with changes and uncertainty.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

I think Shanahan will be in Dallas, but if he replaced Zorn I'd be curious to know if he's replacing Cerrato too, and if that's a good thing?

Also, how would Portis feel?

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[B]I totally agree. Its impoossible to be successful when you keep changing coaches every couple of years. [/B]

I think it boils down to how well Zorn does. If he improves this yr he will probably stay. If he starts well again and falters or has another 8-8 season or worse he's gone. I for one would like to see a HC get more then 2-3 yrs to do something but I get the feeling DS wants to see improvement like any business man wants to see. If the business is stagnant or is starting to fail changes are made. If Zorn started out bad and ended on a good note I could see him staying around for another yr.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=Mattyk72;547894]My first thought would be here we go again, in start over mode yet again. :doh:[/quote]

If it happened, and I'm not advocating it, I wouldn't look at it as here we go again. If Snyder hires a Shanahan or Cowher, he's looking at a 10 year hire, and the first $100 million coach. With that kind of investment he's got to give full and complete control.

Zorn really had 'stopgap' written on him from jump. There wasn't a plan to replace Gibbs so Snyder had to go with what he could in a 'weak' coaching market that year. To hook a big fish he's going to have to shed his albatross in Vinny which was reportedly the barrier to getting Spags from NYG and take a large step back from football operations.

Shanny is experienced in dealing with a high profile, big money owner with Bowlen so he'd be up for the challenge, the main question would be if Danny would fire his 'boy' in order to make it happen.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

Of course, i will root for the skins no matter whos coach... well, that is unless Danny decides to make himself Owner/GM/HC. I don't think I could handle that. Anyway, Shanahans been discussed, as have Cowher, Gruden, and Holmgren. Unless Zorn wins multiple playoff games, I honestly doubt Snyder will be able to resist the urge to pursue atleast one of those guys. So, with that in mind, i guess i might as well get used to the idea. With that in mind, here are my choices for HC in 2010, ranked in order from most desireable to least desireable.

1. Jim Zorn

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=SmootSmack;547911]I think Shanahan will be in Dallas, but if he replaced Zorn I'd be curious to know if he's replacing Cerrato too, and if that's a good thing?

Also, how would Portis feel?[/quote]

Really? I'd be shocked if Jerry didnt land Cowher. Or are you thinking John Fox is a dead man walking and Cowhers coaching the Panthers in 2010 no matter what.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=Paintrain;547914]If it happened, and I'm not advocating it, I wouldn't look at it as here we go again. If Snyder hires a Shanahan or Cowher, he's looking at a 10 year hire, and the first $100 million coach. With that kind of investment he's got to give full and complete control.

Zorn really had 'stopgap' written on him from jump. There wasn't a plan to replace Gibbs so Snyder had to go with what he could in a 'weak' coaching market that year. To hook a big fish he's going to have to shed his albatross in Vinny which was reportedly the barrier to getting Spags from NYG and take a large step back from football operations.

Shanny is experienced in dealing with a high profile, big money owner with Bowlen so he'd be up for the challenge, the main question would be if Danny would fire his 'boy' in order to make it happen.[/quote]

Cowher isnt coming here ever. He wont put up with DS's way of running a team. Also, there is no way either Cowher of Shanahan would stay for 10 years. Besides DS not having that kind of patience, those are older men and they understand the meatgrinder that is NFL coaching and 10 years is a long time under that stress. If you ask me, Zorn should be the 10 year hire. He younger and full of energy having never been thru the meat grinder. IMO, Zorn should stay for a minimum of 5 years no matter what happens but with an owner like DS that will never happen.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=irish;547928]Cowher isnt coming here ever. He wont put up with DS's way of running a team. Also, there is no way either Cowher of Shanahan would stay for 10 years. Besides DS not having that kind of patience, those are older men and they understand the meatgrinder that is NFL coaching and 10 years is a long time under that stress. If you ask me, Zorn should be the 10 year hire. [B]He younger[/B] and full of energy having never been thru the meat grinder. IMO, Zorn should stay for a minimum of 5 years no matter what happens but with an owner like DS that will never happen.[/quote]

Totally agree. Zorn should be given enough time to determine if his system and his players can make it to perennial Super Bowl contender. 1 and 2 year tryouts isn't adequate enough. Plenty of the all-time great coaches struggled, especially in their first year.

Oh, Zorn is actually older than Cowher.

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=irish;547928]Cowher isnt coming here ever. He wont put up with DS's way of running a team. Also, there is no way either Cowher of Shanahan would stay for 10 years. Besides DS not having that kind of patience, those are older men and they understand the meatgrinder that is NFL coaching and 10 years is a long time under that stress. If you ask me, Zorn should be the 10 year hire. He younger and full of energy having never been thru the meat grinder. IMO, Zorn should stay for a minimum of 5 years no matter what happens but with an owner like DS that will never happen.[/quote]
Well I stated earlier this week we don't really have a good chance at Cowher-too close to Marty, Shanahan-too close to Jerry Jones or Holmgren-too close to Zorn who would have just been fired. I was just hypothesizing based on the question. Maybe a 10 year $100 million contract is high, but you can certainly count on 5 years for $50 million without even blinking.

It would be huge for Zorn to have the level of success to gain a 10 year run as head coach but when he was hired it never seemed like that was the plan. Didn't he get a 5 year contract but only 3 were guaranteed?

Re: Your thoughts "IF" Shanahan were to replace Zorn in 2010
 

[quote=Mattyk72;547894]My first thought would be here we go again, in start over mode yet again. :doh:[/quote]

I agree, but I would quickly follow that thought with: "WTF is Dan Snyder thinking?"