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Smith is going to drop to us at #13. On the field he is nasty and I would be cool with the pick. As long as we don't trade up, take Sanchez, any RB, or undersized DE/LB.... I wont bitch too much..
Hmmm...I guess I like Smith/Oher/Rey/Orakpo/Jackson if we stay at #13

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[quote=The Goat;548498][B]Recurring knee injury to start[/B]...serious enough he's missed time two seasons in a row. In the NFL he and that knee will take much more abuse than seen in the past...so i guess on injury history alone I'd be wary of Orakpo. Secondly he's not at all a simple fit to our system. We require a lot from our OLBs, including the ability to cover well and make plays in space. Orakpo's not experienced in either thing. As a DE his explosiveness isn't elite so I doubt we get a serious boost to pass-rush, and he's not an elite run-stuffer as we need at LDE. I said somewhere else i think Orakpo would do alright @ RDE in our system (after AC moves on).[/quote]

It's been reported that Eugene Monroe has knee problems as well, and according to Peter King, he failed the physical of a number of NFL teams, yet he still will be picked up in the top 5, if not the top 10.

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[quote=Ruhskins;548517]It's been reported that Eugene Monroe has knee problems as well, and according to Peter King, he failed the physical of a number of NFL teams, yet he still will be picked up in the top 5, if not the top 10.[/quote]

Heard this too...initially i thought Monroe would be a "realistic" guy to grab if we traded up (even though Danny/Vinny wouldn't think so) but w/ the knee thing there's no way in hell I'd take him. I dunno to me it's like any top 10 or even top 15 pick should meet qualifications of elite prospect but also clean injury history. The injury thing just multiplies the bust factor that much more.

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[quote=The Goat;548519]Heard this too...initially i thought Monroe would be a "realistic" guy to grab if we traded up (even though Danny/Vinny wouldn't think so) but w/ the knee thing there's no way in hell I'd take him. I dunno to me it's like any top 10 or even top 15 pick should meet qualifications of elite prospect but also clean injury history. The injury thing just multiplies the bust factor that much more.[/quote]

Well I guess the question is that if Eugene Monroe were to fall to #13, would you take him?

On a different note, looks like BJ Raji is in the clear.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4088495]Web site erred in reporting B.J. Raji tested positive - ESPN[/url]

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Apparently there is a lot of doubt whether Orakpo can play in a 3-4. I've read from a few sources while speed and strength are adequate. He doesn't have the hips to cover. Better said, he is poor at major changes in direction. So he might have to play End in a 4-3.

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[quote=Ruhskins;548521]Well I guess the question is that if Eugene Monroe were to fall to #13, would you take him?

On a different note, looks like BJ Raji is in the clear.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4088495]Web site erred in reporting B.J. Raji tested positive - ESPN[/url][/quote]

I see Ruh. I would take him if all other top OT prospects were gone along w/ Jackson and Rey. In other words if it's between Monroe and Orakpo I'd take Monroe easy decision.

...dude I can't believe Raji was slandered that way. Saw a headline today asking whether SI owes him more than an apology...i would say so. But mostly I'm just happy for him all this got cleared up prior to the draft. I won't be surprised if he goes top 5.

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[quote=Ruhskins;548521][B]Well I guess the question is that if Eugene Monroe were to fall to #13, would you take him?
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On a different note, looks like BJ Raji is in the clear.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4088495]Web site erred in reporting B.J. Raji tested positive - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Unlikely scenario but I'd take him in a heartbeat.

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[quote=DIRTEE;548506]I'm with you on that one. I read about his knee and I just kept thinking about E. James and M. Kelly. We really need an impact first rounder.[/quote]

Shit never studied about this guy closely. He missed games in 2 seasons with a bum knee huh? I think we need a tackle or guard more than a d linemen, but would be happy if we did get an impact DE to play opposite Haynesworth. I see this Orakpo thing as a 50/50 shot at best. The Big 12 is tough, but nothing compared to the gruelling 16 possibly more games played in the NFL. IF he can stay healthy he rocks. I did watch enough of him this past season to know he rocks, but damn, he missed time in 2 seasons with his knee? Snyder gambles way too much for my liking!!!!!

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[quote=mrreddman;548514]Smith is going to drop to us at #13. On the field he is nasty and I would be cool with the pick. As long as we don't trade up, take Sanchez, any RB, or undersized DE/LB.... I wont bitch too much..
Hmmm...[B]I guess I like Smith/Oher/Rey/Orakpo/Jackson if we stay at #13[/quote][/B]
DITTO:food-smil

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A.Smith -(40) 5.28 -(Bch) 19 -(Vert) 25 -(Brd) 7'10" -(Sht) 4.93 -(3Cn) 7.88
J.Smith -(40) 5.09 -(Bch) 33 -(Vert) 24 -(Brd) 8'00" -(Sht) 4.69 -(3Cn) 7.53
E.Monroe -(40) 5.18 -(Bch) 23 -(Vert) 28.5 -(Brd) 9'02" -(Sht) 4.78 -(3Cn) 7.88
M.Oher -(40) 5.34 -(Bch) 21 -(Vert) 30.5 -(Brd) 8'07" -(Sht) 4.60 -(3Cn) 7.81
E.Britton -(40) 5.14 -(Bch) 24 -(Vert) 28.5 -(Brd) 8'04" -(Sht) 4.91 -(3Cn) 7.87

Out of these 5 OTs, A. Smith Grades -(40) 4th -(Bch) 5th -(Vert) 4th -(Brd) 5th -
(Sht) 5th -(3Cn) 5th (tie)

These ProDay numbers combined with blowing off the combine and his missing the Sugar Bowl for consulting an agent too early frankly scare me away from A. Smith. Questionable heart and work ethic IMO. If none of J. Smith, Monroe, Oher or Orakpo are there at 13, trading down with a team like Tampa Bay at 19 and getting Britton looks like an interesting option to look into IMO.

Orakpo is still my guy, though. He missed one game last year with a bruised knee. No ligament damage. His film, conditioning, strength, speed, and combine grades all tell me he is a beast and a difference-maker. He had a huge game going up against Oklahoma's Loadholt. I'm tired of losing games in the 4th quarter, and guys with Orakpo's conditioning will finally help put an end to that IMO. I think he will be taken top 10, but if concerns about his knee drop him down and he is still there at 13, I say we thank our lucky stars and grab him!

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[quote=Number44;548738]A.Smith -(40) 5.28 -(Bch) 19 -(Vert) 25 -(Brd) 7'10" -(Sht) 4.93 -(3Cn) 7.88
J.Smith -(40) 5.09 -(Bch) 33 -(Vert) 24 -(Brd) 8'00" -(Sht) 4.69 -(3Cn) 7.53
E.Monroe -(40) 5.18 -(Bch) 23 -(Vert) 28.5 -(Brd) 9'02" -(Sht) 4.78 -(3Cn) 7.88
M.Oher -(40) 5.34 -(Bch) 21 -(Vert) 30.5 -(Brd) 8'07" -(Sht) 4.60 -(3Cn) 7.81
E.Britton -(40) 5.14 -(Bch) 24 -(Vert) 28.5 -(Brd) 8'04" -(Sht) 4.91 -(3Cn) 7.87

Out of these 5 OTs, A. Smith Grades -(40) 4th -(Bch) 5th -(Vert) 4th -(Brd) 5th -
(Sht) 5th -(3Cn) 5th (tie)

These ProDay numbers combined with blowing off the combine and his missing the Sugar Bowl for consulting an agent too early frankly scare me away from A. Smith. Questionable heart and work ethic IMO. If none of J. Smith, Monroe, Oher or Orakpo are there at 13, trading down with a team like Tampa Bay at 19 and getting Britton looks like an interesting option to look into IMO.

[B]Orakpo is still my guy, though. He missed one game last year with a bruised knee. No ligament damage. His film, conditioning, strength, speed, and combine grades all tell me he is a beast and a difference-maker. He had a huge game going up against Oklahoma's Loadholt. I'm tired of losing games in the 4th quarter, and guys with Orakpo's conditioning will finally help put an end to that IMO. I think he will be taken top 10, but if concerns about his knee drop him down and he is still there at 13, I say we thank our lucky stars and grab him[/B]![/quote]

I don't think there is a question that [B]if[/B] Orakpo falls to us at 13 we're taking him. The knee concerns aren't that much of an issue to me, but Loadholt won't even go on Day 1 so I'd expect him to have a great game. My only concern with Orakpo is his consistency.

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[quote=vallin21;548742]I don't think there is a question that [B]if[/B] Orakpo falls to us at 13 we're taking him. The knee concerns aren't that much of an issue to me, but [B]Loadholt won't even go on Day 1[/B] so I'd expect him to have a great game. My only concern with Orakpo is his consistency.[/quote]

We agree on Orakpo.

My point about Orakpo's play vs. Loadholt is that Loadholt was certainly among the top 10% of division 1 OTs, so he was no slouch. Loadholt will definitely be drafted. In fact, he may well get taken in the second round.

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[quote=Number44;548755]We agree on Orakpo.

My point about Orakpo's play vs. Loadholt is that Loadholt was certainly among the top 10% of division 1 OTs, so he was no slouch. Loadholt will definitely be drafted. [B]In fact, he may well get taken in the second round[/B].[/quote]

I highly doubt that but we'll see.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;548394]Couple of problems. The Raiders, while unconventional will probably not grab a guy as raw as Heyward-Bey. The Bronco's will not pass up Orakpo in favor of Brown. Jaron Gilbert will not be a first round pick.[/quote]

Couple of problems, eh? :D

Heyward-Bey is a Raider and [B]ORAKPO is a REDSKIN!!!!!!!!!!!! :woot:


[/B]This guy had a great mock draft.

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[quote=vallin21;548768]I highly doubt that but we'll see.[/quote]

Loadholt went round 2 to Minnesota.