Re: The Health Care Reform Address Thread
 

[quote=saden1;586326]This stupid f*ck face needs not apologize but he does need to read the house bill which explicitly prohibits extending healthcare to illegal immigrants ([URL="http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf"]sec 246, page 143[/URL]):

Don't worry though folks, your current wait time at the emergency room won't improve with or without universal healthcare.[/quote]

The problem with saying "This bill makes this or that unavailable to illegals" is that there are lots of laws that make lots of things unavailable to illegals (like their presence here to begin with) and they flout those laws. They're illegal see. The laws don't apply to them.

Re: The Health Care Reform Address Thread
 

I love the movie A Few Good Men. One part that I love is the questioning of the base commander by Cruise. In that section, he repeatedly asks the commander if he ordered that the weakest soldier not be harmed, every time the commander responded more and more aggressively that he ordered the man not be harmed, and that he ordered a transfer of the man off the post. In a great moment, the lawyer asks, why the two orders. Excellent.

That's what I think of when Saden quotes the bill, saying it explicitly says not to pay illegals. if they are here illegally, and should not receive benefits anyways, why does it need to be written into the bill.

anyway thats my 2cents

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[quote=GMScud;586354]Actually, he absolutely needed to apologize. Despite being a Republican, I love that when this dingbat called the White House afterwards hoping to apologize to Obama, instead he got Rahm Emanuel on the phone. Man I wish I could have heard that conversation.

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_heckling"]Obama heckled by GOP during speech: 'You lie!' - Yahoo! News[/URL][/quote]

Good to see there was swift criticism of this moron from his fellow party members.

Yeah can you imagine that phone call? Dude is probably walking funny today LOL

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[quote=Mattyk72;586313]Pretty childish and disrespectful.[/quote]

I don't recall you saying this when these things happened to Bush and it started before he even took office.

Re: The Health Care Reform Address Thread
 

[quote=saden1;586326]This stupid f*ck face needs not apologize but he does need to read the house bill which explicitly prohibits extending healthcare to illegal immigrants ([URL="http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf"]sec 246, page 143[/URL]):

Don't worry though folks, your current wait time at the emergency room won't improve with or without universal healthcare.[/quote]

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[/SIZE][/SIZE][LEFT][SIZE=4][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=4]
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[/SIZE][/SIZE][LEFT][SIZE=4][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=4]
[/SIZE][SIZE=4][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]7 [/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]not lawfully present in the United States.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]This deals with affordability credits and what the F is that. Have you read the entire bill to know for certain 100% that in no other sections that illegals cannot join into the plan? [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]We all know that these will be an easy plan to understand and the goverment will just play a small roll in administering the plan. Her is an example of them cutting out all the paper work:[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

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There is no way anyone could just read the bill and understand it.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
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Re: The Health Care Reform Address Thread
 

I thought the address was good, it showed Obama's willing to moderate on some issues and incorporate ideas from both sides of the aisle.

He said that everyone will be required to carry insurance, like auto insurance in Pennsylvania. I love that because no longer can the uninsured head to the emergency room for care on the insured's and the taxpayers' dime. Now everyone will have to pay into the system, nobody can get away with something for nothing - no handouts for anyone.

He said he wants to work to find ideas to bring down malpractice costs and looked to Republicans on those efforts. Love that.

I don't care about death panels, I don't care about hecklers, don't let yourselves get distracted from the real issues. Obama is willing to moderate and compromise and because of that I think we'll get a plan passed that makes sense and works.

Much detail needs to be ironed out, because when he says "we'll pay for this by eliminating wasteful spending from the healthcare system", one of the ways he currently plans to do this is by eliminating government subsidies to hospitals in very poor neighborhoods (like mine). That would crush us and could threaten to put us out of business in 10 years, leaving the poor with no access to care here in North Philly. That has to get worked through or he could do more harm than good. But the willingness to compromise on issues is encouraging.

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[quote=firstdown;586411]I don't recall you saying this when these things happened to Bush and it started before he even took office.[/quote]

Ah I knew you would swoop in and have this kind of take on it. I really don't recall anyone in Congress heckling Bush in that same manner.

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[quote=Mattyk72;586430]Ah I knew you would swoop in and have this kind of take on it. I really don't recall anyone in Congress heckling Bush in that same manner.[/quote]

No they actually said much worse over the 8 years. I agree what the guy did was in poor tast but I had to watch these type of thing happen to Bush for 8 years and the left thought it was OK then but now it is wrong in their eyes. Actually even Obama's owen accounting office says that this plan is not paid for and will raise the dept by 1,000,000,000,000 over 10 years. So yes he does lie.

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[/SIZE][/SIZE][LEFT][SIZE=4][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=4]
[/SIZE][SIZE=4][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]7 [/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]not lawfully present in the United States.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]This deals with affordability credits and what the F is that. Have you read the entire bill to know for certain 100% that in no other sections that illegals cannot join into the plan? [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]We all know that these will be an easy plan to understand and the goverment will just play a small roll in administering the plan. Her is an example of them cutting out all the paper work:[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=3][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=3]ROVISION OF INFORMATION[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4].—The em[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]
[LEFT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4]ployer provides the Health Choices Commissioner,[/SIZE][/FONT]
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]10 [/LEFT]
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[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4]the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4]
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[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4]requirements of this section.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4]
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There is no way anyone could just read the bill and understand it.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
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Firstdown........................I here you man! And thats why I was saying little words MUST be used to get his point across. His speech yesterday used those little words. And when a Republican bashed him for it................well, he ended up apologizing shortly there after. Obama and his administration just need to keep using those little words. If they keep using them, they will be fine. They will pass this bill.


Hey! Did anyone see the look on Nancy Pelosi's face when that dude called out the President? SHE WAS PISSED! I thought she was going to jump out of her chair, over the rail and smack that dude! Grab his tie, then smack him again! I can't help but think she kicked his ass afterwards. Thats probably why he apologized so fast.

Re: The Health Care Reform Address Thread
 

[quote=Mattyk72;586430]Ah I knew you would swoop in and have this kind of take on it. I really don't recall anyone in Congress heckling Bush in that same manner.[/quote]Not individually, but in 2004, 2005 and 2007 Bush meet with Boos and Noooos from the Dems at the SoTU.

[URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/Dems_heckled_Bush_but_Wilson_was_different.html"]Dems heckled Bush, but Wilson was different - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.redstate.com/jph/2009/09/10/democrats-heckled-bush-during-2005-sotu-speech/"]Democrats Heckled Bush During 2005 SOTU Speech - JPH’s blog - RedState[/URL]

[URL="http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grand-rapids-mi/T9T9TDQCA0B3O4U7V"]Heckling new to Prez. speeches? Nope, Just Dem outrage. - Topix[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;586436]No they actually said much worse over the 8 years. I agree what the guy did was in poor tast but I had to watch these type of thing happen to Bush for 8 years and the left thought it was OK then but now it is wrong in their eyes. Actually even Obama's owen accounting office says that this plan is not paid for and will raise the dept by 1,000,000,000,000 over 10 years. So yes he does lie.[/quote]

I know you always like to make it a left/right issue, but it's not. Both sides are guilty of the same crap.

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[quote=Mattyk72;586446]I know you always like to make it a left/right issue, but it's not. Both sides are guilty of the same crap.[/quote]
I agree I was just pointing out that now the left makes an issue of those thing but did not when Bush was in office.

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[quote=Miller101;586441]Obama and his administration just need to keep using those little words. If they keep using them, they will be fine. They will pass this bill.
[/quote]Keep using them as the approval ratings and support for ObamaCare keep going in the toilet.....use big words, little words, it doesn't matter bad legislation is bad legislation.

Using whatever size words you like, the President indirectly backed off the public option, which is a win for all of us.

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[quote=firstdown;586448]I agree I was just pointing out that now the left makes an issue of those thing but did not when Bush was in office.[/quote]

So... it's still a left/right thing? lol

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So why would Obama pass health care bill that does not cover illegals because isn't illegals goinr to the emergency room just part of the problem. Maybe Obama's plan will just make it illegal to provide any medical treatment to illegals.