Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;632969]I honestly wonder at this point, with the season lost, is Lewis at all curious if Todd Collins could run his offense better.

Now i know the argument that you can't start a 38 year old QB with no future, believe me we have been there and done that. BUT...with seemingly nothing to lose, why not see if anybody can put more points on the board.

I remember early when Lewis was hired, the story floating around PFT, mentioned on several radio news outlets, and even our own Washington Post was that Lewis preferred Collins as the QB.

I truly do wonder what the record would be like had TC15 started from day 1, and Ladell Betts be the feature back. I'll go on a limb and say we are at least 5-6 right now, but truthfully we would probably be 6-5 or 7-4....

The fact that Lewis doesnt talk to Campbell at all is a very telling fact that should not be ignored....[/quote]

All game long against the Eagles, Campbell was making plays that Collins and many other QBs could not make. He made deep throws while on the move, he escaped sacks, he ran for first downs...he's a far better QB than Collins. It's tough to tell because the line is getting him killed, but Collins has no mobility and does not have the arm for deep throws or just hard throws like Campbell was making.

If we had Collins playing, well, he'd be in the hospital but until that point, we'd be scoring far less than 17 most games.

He's more of an emergency QB than a backup at this point in his career.

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;632986]If - - I Said IF - - Cooley is right and this is the way the offensive braintrust of the Redskins is functioning, then whoever put the system together and whoever has allowed it to get to this status needs to be drawn and quartered.


A "team" works because people work together. Coaches should not be allowed to "do their own thing" any more than players should be ecnouraged to "freelance".


I suspect that not a single Super Bowl winning team ever functioned in a structure like the one described by Chris Cooley. Vince Lombardi is shedding a tear right about now...[/quote]

Well if he'd be shedding a tear then he'd be kind of an asshole for real. If the shit is working why would he be crying ? Because no one else does it this way ? I call bullshit on that one, because how do they do it in Baltimore ? Cam Cameron calls the runs and Al Saunders calls the passes right ? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought thats how it was there. Sort of like he was a guy who wasn't an offensive or defensive coordinator but got the HC job. Also didn't hire "his guys" to fill his staff. But hey, when we did it that too, was unprecedented. Why should we bitch and moan about it ? IT IS WORKING !

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

If they ain't griping about one thing they're griping about another. Redskins are playing much better on offense under this structure...nuff said.

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

Instead of a carousel of crap like we have now, what is so wrong with Just letting Lewis directly call the plays? Put him on the sidelines and he can do the plays right there.

Although we seriously need to get past the point where Lewis says "Gimme a Run" to Sherman Smith...that's crazy. Why not let Zorn call the run plays and 3rd down etc....

This playcalling is producing more points for sure, but i think if we made it more efficient it would be even better....

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

too many cheifs and not enough Indians will always....ALWAYS make some organization a losing one. simple as that.

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;633221]Instead of a carousel of crap like we have now, what is so wrong with Just letting Lewis directly call the plays? Put him on the sidelines and he can do the plays right there.

Although we seriously need to get past the point where Lewis says "Gimme a Run" to Sherman Smith...that's crazy. [B]Why not let Zorn call the run plays and 3rd down etc....[/B]

This playcalling is producing more points for sure, but i think if we made it more efficient it would be even better....[/quote]

cause he'll just call a sweep, zorn shouldn't be calling plays ever, he always f's our two minute drills, he just isn't cut out to call plays

lewis has helped out but it's still not very good, the wco is just doesn't work for us hopefully we get rid of it next year

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;632969]I honestly wonder at this point, with the season lost, is Lewis at all curious if Todd Collins could run his offense better.

Now i know the argument that you can't start a 38 year old QB with no future, believe me we have been there and done that. BUT...with seemingly nothing to lose, why not see if anybody can put more points on the board.

I remember early when Lewis was hired, the story floating around PFT, mentioned on several radio news outlets, and even our own Washington Post was that Lewis preferred Collins as the QB.

I truly do wonder what the record would be like had TC15 started from day 1, and Ladell Betts be the feature back. I'll go on a limb and say we are at least 5-6 right now, but truthfully we would probably be 6-5 or 7-4....

The fact that Lewis doesnt talk to Campbell at all is a very telling fact that should not be ignored....[/quote]



Todd Collins would be on IR! He is so immobile, he would be crippled for life with our o-line!

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

i'm not going to get into an argument with anybody on a QB debate...but seriously....most people who made jokes about Collins playing obviously forgot how he saved our season in 07...when simple Jason took us to 5-7...

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;633221]Instead of a carousel of crap like we have now, what is so wrong with Just letting Lewis directly call the plays? Put him on the sidelines and he can do the plays right there.

Although we seriously need to get past the point where Lewis says "Gimme a Run" to Sherman Smith...that's crazy. Why not let Zorn call the run plays and 3rd down etc....

This playcalling is producing more points for sure, but i think if we made it more efficient it would be even better....[/quote]

Lewis clearly is being protected from the media, but who's choice is that, we don't know. My guess is he doesn't want the spotlight at this point and is simply helping out. Our offense has gone from being unable to score against the worst teams in the league to consistently putting up double digits, and we are complaining because of the system? geez. lets see what these guys can do, get them out there, and then let the new staff, whoever it is, clean up the FO/Staffing situation. Atleast I don't feel like I am watching a college team now when I do sit and watch the games.

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;633241]Lewis clearly is being protected from the media, but who's choice is that, we don't know. My guess is he doesn't want the spotlight at this point and is simply helping out. [B]Our offense has gone from being unable to score against the worst teams in the league to consistently putting up double digits, and we are complaining because of the system?[/B] geez. lets see what these guys can do, get them out there, and then let the new staff, whoever it is, clean up the FO/Staffing situation. Atleast I don't feel like I am watching a college team now when I do sit and watch the games.[/quote]

we only scored 6 against dallas, and imo we just don't have the right personel for a wco, we drafted big wideouts who were big play guys in college, not smaller quick guys which fit a wco better

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=mlmdub130;633253]we only scored 6 against dallas, and imo we just don't have the right personel for a wco, we drafted big wideouts who were big play guys in college, not smaller quick guys which fit a wco better[/quote]

Agreed. Campbell is not a WCO QB either. It goes beyond one thing or two or three. The organization is in a state of dysfunction and the play calling scheme is a creation of that dysfunction. If we had a real GM and given the talent we had here, based on that talent, woudl Zorn have been hired? Would a WCO oriented coach been hired? Doubtful.

Do I have hope? Yeah. I am holding out hope that things were so bad this year that Snyder would pull the trigger and make substantial changes, including his role.

What other choice is there? H ehas tried his way for ten years and has gotten the franchis eno where.

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=Buster;633181]All game long against the Eagles, Campbell was making plays that Collins and many other QBs could not make. He made deep throws while on the move, he escaped sacks, he ran for first downs...he's a far better QB than Collins. It's tough to tell because the line is getting him killed, but Collins has no mobility and does not have the arm for deep throws or just hard throws like Campbell was making.

If we had Collins playing, well, he'd be in the hospital but until that point, we'd be scoring far less than 17 most games.

He's more of an emergency QB than a backup at this point in his career.[/quote]
I agree but I don't think that Campbell threw anything farther than Collins could. What was the longest ball in the air?

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;633221]Instead of a carousel of crap like we have now, what is so wrong with Just letting Lewis directly call the plays? Put him on the sidelines and he can do the plays right there.

Although we seriously need to get past the point where Lewis says "Gimme a Run" to Sherman Smith...that's crazy. Why not let Zorn call the run plays and 3rd down etc....

This playcalling is producing more points for sure, but i think if we made it more efficient it would be even better....[/quote]
The funny part is .. 3rd down and red zone situations are MORE important seemingly, so why would you let the guy who got playcalling taken away from him handle it in the big situations? He couldn't handle it even in the small ones.

Kind of like how Gibbs would take over in the red zone and just run all jumbo sets

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

The main reason Zorn handles the 2-minute drill is because things have to be decided considerably faster during that time and the time it would take Lewis and Meidt to figure out the play, relay it down to the sidelines, and then to Campbell would have taken too long

Re: Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell
 

[quote=SmootSmack;633389]The main reason Zorn handles the 2-minute drill is because things have to be decided considerably faster during that time and the time it would take Lewis and Meidt to figure out the play, relay it down to the sidelines, and then to Campbell would have taken too long[/quote]
logically I understand that, but Zorn's a slow playcaller. Didn't we run the no huddle last week outside the 2 minute mark. I would rather he not be involved in play calling at all...