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[quote=Trample the Elderly;640304][B]Oh yeah! When I saw Ja-fat-ass Russell come in I knew we'd won[/B]. Raiders fans may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. I miss the Bay sometimes. Anything cool happening in El Cerrito? I heard they took over Berkeley and threatened to kill the President because of the cuts.[/quote]I was really looking forward to a game that would be decided by JaMarcus vs. Smoot/Landry, and it was really too bad that Orakpo denied us a look at such hilarity. If there was ever an opportunity for a black hole of suck to open up on an NFL field...that was the place and time.

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What makes Holmgren such a great choice to be GM?

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[quote=SmootSmack;640503]What makes Holmgren such a great choice to be GM?[/quote]

Must be the mustache

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[quote=SmootSmack;640503]What makes Holmgren such a great choice to be GM?[/quote]

I'm not sure anything really does other than it shows a willingness to go in another direction. Plus he is familiar with Zorn and the WCO and I think the feeling is he would stop some of Snyder's questionable personell decisions.

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[quote=SmootSmack;640503]What makes Holmgren such a great choice to be GM?[/quote]

Well if he came here, i think he'd have enough of Snyder's respect that Snyder would be less inclined to "meddle."

Also, for what its worth, Dinello over on that [I]other[/I] forum said his contact with [the Browns] told him Holmgren said he was too old to work in the "toxic" environment here and that he's been informed (presumably from Zorn) that Zorn and Campbell will be out after the season and that Cerrato will be the GM.

Dinello doesn't post there very often but he's got about a 50/50 track record so take all of this with a grain of salt. I beleive he has a credible source, but you never know if what people's sources being told is true or current.

If true, i've got mixed feelings. Cerrato's done an above-average job drafting players, but I don't trust him to 1) select a capable head coach and 2) Do what he feels is best for the team if it conflicts with what Snyder wants.

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[quote=SmootSmack;640503]What makes Holmgren such a great choice to be GM?[/quote]

Nothing!! Bring back Charlie Casserly. Snyder admitted it was a mistake to fire him in the first place. His decision to draft Mario Williams over Reggie Bush was still the right one.

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[quote=Longtimefan;640540]Nothing!! Bring back Charlie Casserly. Snyder admitted it was a mistake to fire him in the first place. His decision to draft Mario Williams over Reggie Bush was still the right one.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind that, the only reason I want Holmgren is that he has a history with Zorn and could serve as an offensive mentor to him if necessary.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;640532]Well if he came here, i think he'd have enough of Snyder's respect that Snyder would be less inclined to "meddle."

Also, for what its worth, Dinello over on that [I]other[/I] forum said his contact with [the Browns] told him Holmgren said he was too old to work in the "toxic" environment here and that he's been informed (presumably from Zorn) that Zorn and Campbell will be out after the season and that Cerrato will be the GM.

Dinello doesn't post there very often but he's got about a 50/50 track record so take all of this with a grain of salt. I beleive he has a credible source, but you never know if what people's sources being told is true or current.

If true, i've got mixed feelings. Cerrato's done an above-average job drafting players, but I don't trust him to 1) select a capable head coach and 2) Do what he feels is best for the team if it conflicts with what Snyder wants.[/quote]

Interesting tidbits. It will be interesting to see where Holmgren can work. He's had the benefit of being in charge under Paul Allen, the most hands-off owner in the league. And nothing against Seattle. But I would suspect that the fans are a bit more forgiving there than in Cleveland or DC

As to Zorn, Campbell, and Cerrato. I think Zorn is gone. Campbell is probably 30% likely to stay (but it's still possible), and Cerrato is probably about 70% (but he won't be the GM...allegedy)

No source is 100% right.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;640545]I wouldn't mind that, the only reason I want Holmgren is that he has a history with Zorn and could serve as an offensive mentor to him if necessary.[/quote]

Assuming Zorn stayed, do we really need Holmgren as our GM/President/Grand Poobah to be a mentor to Zorn? Couldn't he just do that now anyway?

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[quote=SmootSmack;640548]Interesting tidbits. It will be interesting to see where Holmgren can work. He's had the benefit of being in charge under Paul Allen, the most hands-off owner in the league. And nothing against Seattle. But I would suspect that the fans are a bit more forgiving there than in Cleveland or DC

As to Zorn, Campbell, and Cerrato. I think Zorn is gone. Campbell is probably 30% likely to stay (but it's still possible), and Cerrato is probably about 70% (but he won't be the GM...allegedy)

No source is 100% right.[/quote]

If you are right, this team is never going to win with a rebuild mentality every 2 to 3 years. Whatever happened to that patience Danny learned from Gibbs?

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[quote=SmootSmack;640550]Assuming Zorn stayed, do we really need Holmgren as our GM/President/Grand Poobah to be a mentor to Zorn? Couldn't he just do that now anyway?[/quote]

NOt if he goes to Cleveland!
I think i get what he's saying about having Holmgren & Zorn work together. I don't think it's mentorship, if that's a word, I think it just appears to make sense given their working history. It sounds good to me, if Holmgren is a legit GM.

All I know about that is his history in Seattle; once they took gm duties from him the team did better. That may have been simply due to the inherent difficulties of being coach/gm.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;640545]I wouldn't mind that, the only reason I want Holmgren is that he has a history with Zorn and could serve as an offensive mentor to him if necessary.[/quote]

I understand your position, but keep in mind Holmgren has witnessed the kind of treatment his friend Zorn has received of late and may not be so anxious to become a part of that kind of ridicule. It's the kind of thing that I'm sure would make him look hard and long at other options if they're available.

I'm looking for credentials as well, he does no have any experience at running a front office either. He'd be a trial and error candidate at best, the only advantage it would have is he would be working with people he's familiar with, Zorn, Lewis, Mitchell and maybe a couple of others.

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[quote=Longtimefan;640555]I understand your position, but keep in mind Holmgren has witnessed the kind of treatment his friend Zorn has received of late and may not be so anxious to become a part of that kind of ridicule. It's the kind of thing that I'm sure would make him look hard and long at other options if they're available.[/quote]

I understand, but on the other side of the coin if Snyder keeps Zorn that would be a redeeming quality and in Holmgren's eyes he would have made the right choice which would open the opportunity for him as GM. I think he learned something from Walsh on player personnel. Here's a Holmgren GM timeline.

[url=http://blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/Holmgren%20GM%20Timeline.htm]TIMELINE: HOLMGREN AS GM (1999-2002)[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;640551]If you are right, this team is never going to win with a rebuild mentality every 2 to 3 years. Whatever happened to that patience Danny learned from Gibbs?[/quote]

He lied, hence all the talk about a new coach. To his credit though the talk is not coming from the FO, it's coming from fans and media types. I won't entertain the notion of a new coach until Zorn is actually fired.

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It would be interesting to see if Holmgren gets hired by the browns would he bring Jim Zorn in as his head coach.