Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;659466]Just saw Mort and Schefter on ESPN and they said that they would be shocked if marshall was in a broncos uniform next year and that is playing his last game as a bronco. Also Mort said that Bradford has begun working out for the draft, and that he has put on some weight, now weighing 227lb istead of 213lb like before...more weight, more cushion to protect the fragile shoulder...[/quote]

Sam is a can't miss guy.. Seriously we cant pass him up at 4.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

honestly i cant say that Quinn is horrible...due to the lack of any type of reliable receiver...and please dont say "but they had edwards" cause i used the word RELIABLE...i dont think he has touched his potential...but in the same breathe if they do that trade he would have eddie royal as his top target and thats no better than mohamad massaquoi (or however the fuck you spell it) do i think marshall for quinn is a fair deal...hell no for the fact that marshall has proved his usefulness while quinn really hasnt yet...but like it was said before this might be a cut your losses deal. plus "baby t o" is a premaddona and comes with a ton of baggage. if he can grow up like randy moss did he will be fine.

as for bradford is concerned im still concerned about the shoulder and surgeries and such...i know he didnt have anything close to what pennington had but after penn's surgery he was never the same. drafting qbs that high and paying that much is a scarey thought to me...but if he can be our matt ryan than ill be more than pleased with that. i still think okung (if hes there) is the better and safer pick.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

I really don't think there is much difference between Orton and Quinn. Neither can really push the ball downfield consistently and that's why Anderson was the starter. Quinn didn't give Clev any type of downfield presence. On the other hand Marshall is one of the top wr's in the NFL and we need to be in on those trade talks. The second he walks on the field he opens up everything...the running game, gives the 2nd wr single coverage. Denver would be stupid to make that trade straight up.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

How do i wrod this... Orton is a lot less bad than Quinn. I seriously doubt this rumor is based on anything solid. If it is, Denver is just as retarded as i thought they were when they let Shanahan go. What's the point of picking up a less good quarterback and losing his best option at WR? On th eother side, if the Browns somehow managed this, they would be better off... provided they got a better qb elsewhere. (Anderson is horrible)

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

Orton has at least established himself as a decent starter. Quinn has a long way to go to reach Orton's level of mediocrity.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

I agree. Quinn certainly has "potential"... but one could also say there's a reason he hasn't had more playing time and its not because Anderson is such a great QB. Who's the coach that said if you have two starting quarterbacks on your roster, then you really have none?

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

Is Marshall slated to be a RFA? I know he's been a problem for them at times, but he is a top 5, maybe top 3 WR IMO. I wouldn't let him go cheaply.

I know there is a history w/Shanny, but I hope we don't throw big $ & picks his way.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

I would prefer we kept our draft picks and picked up T.O. with the understanding he is to help McCardell teach the WR's we have now.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

[quote=IrMitchell;659458]To me this seems absolutely horrible lol.. Brandon Marshall has shown that he's going to be a succesful receiver with a pro bowl QB or not. Brady Quinn on the other hand had a good college career but besides two or three games hasn't done anything for the browns in my eyes. [B]I see Derek Anderson being a better QB and this makes me wonder what they'd do for Jason Campbell..[/B].[/quote]


Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell when we were trying to get Jay Cutler, thats one of the main reasons they made the trade with the Bears over us. Thank God....

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

[quote=mlmpetert;659612]Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell when we were trying to get Jay Cutler, thats one of the main reasons they made the trade with the Bears over us. Thank God....[/quote]

lol yeah i didnt want cutler either...but i mean if we could land marshall that would be great cause i really doubt that the broncos would do "self trade rape" for quinn. If i had to choose tho i would rather pick up Peppers than marshall but i wouldnt be surprised if we end up with both.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

[quote=mlmpetert;659612][B]Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell when we were trying to get Jay Cutler[/B], thats one of the main reasons they made the trade with the Bears over us. Thank God....[/quote]

Can we please stop using this overused cliche? Orton was not valued higher over Campbell, the Bears just made the Broncos a better offer. It had nothing to do with Orton being better than Campbell. I'm sure that if Snyder had given a better offer than Chicago, the trade would have happened.

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[quote=Ruhskins;659625]Can we please stop using this overused cliche? Orton was not valued higher over Campbell, the Bears just made the Broncos a better offer. It had nothing to do with Orton being better than Campbell. I'm sure that if Snyder had given a better offer than Chicago, the trade would have happened.[/quote]

Thank you. Everyone conveniently forgets the huge draft picks involved in the trade.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;659625][B]Can we please stop using this overused cliche?[/B] Orton was not valued higher over Campbell, the Bears just made the Broncos a better offer. It had nothing to do with Orton being better than Campbell. I'm sure that if Snyder had given a better offer than Chicago, the trade would have happened.[/quote]

I wanted to say the same exact thing, but decided that those who want to see it that way, no words are going to change their opinion.

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;659625]Can we please stop using this overused cliche? Orton was not valued higher over Campbell, the Bears just made the Broncos a better offer. It had nothing to do with Orton being better than Campbell. I'm sure that if Snyder had given a better offer than Chicago, the trade would have happened.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its been a while now, but i thought everything i remembering hearing was that the Redskins were offering essentially the same thing (two first and a third plus their QB) for Cutler. But Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Where did you hear that the Redskins decided that the draft picks envolved where too high? I found this that seems to go along with what I remember with Orton valued over Campbell in the eyes of the Broncos, I forgot about the 3 way deal talk. But maybe something came out later with more details?[/COLOR][/FONT]


[URL="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Redskins-Cutler-trade-42337677.html"]Cutler traded to Chicago | Washington Examiner[/URL]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled, prompting Chicago to jump back in and offer a less-complicated deal, knowing the Broncos liked Bears quarterback Kyle Orton. The source said Denver’s preference of quarterbacks was Quinn and then Orton. They were not high on Campbell.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]So, rather than do a three-way deal with Washington and another team, the Bears, according to an NFL source, called to offer Orton, two first-round draft picks, and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]“They had the compensation,” another NFL source said of the Redskins. “In the end they chose Orton over Campbell.”[/COLOR][/LEFT]

Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

Dumb trade if it happens. Brandon Marshall at least can perform and give a team good production, while Quinn is probably going to end up a major bust. He was the most overhyped college football player of all time in my opinion. I know NBC has the TV deal with ND, but come on, ND sucked with Brady Quinn.