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[quote=Mc2guy;659862]Suicide is the ultimate manifestation of a "disease" known as depression. If you have never had to deal with a family member with depression, or dealt with it yourself, you have no idea what a grip that disease can have on a human mind. It is a mental illness on par with schizophrenia.

For the folks that do carry through with suicide, generally their illness makes them truly believe that ending their life will benefit others. They do not see that it will harm others, rather they see their continuing to live as harming others. Warped as it is, that is their perception.

It is easy to get angry with those with depression and to call their act self serving, since outwardly this disease seems so self-imposing, but you should not underestimate how sick these people really are and how helpless they are to control the problem. They need help, not anger.[/quote]

This is an excellent post. People who see it as a selfish act are observing the reality after the fact, but I don't think many people who haven't been to that depth can understand the true amount of rationalizing that takes place leading up to a depressed person's suicide.

RIP

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Mc2guy, thanks for providing some needed perspective to this thread. Very uncomfortable to watch people line up to judge Ms. Novacek without, I presume, any knowledge of her mental health history.

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[quote=mredskins;659824]Totally correct! It is the easy way out and everyone else is left with your mess to clean up.

My uncle committed suicide and I saw his four daughters and wife just crumble. He destroyed 6 lives with that one selfish act.

Interesting film to watch about suicide.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwl-Pa_QT0M]YouTube - The Bridge - Trailer[/url][/quote]

Hopefully that will end soon.

[url=http://www.kcbs.com/pages/6182069.php?]KCBS - Suicide Net Chosen to Prevent Deaths on Golden Gate Bridge[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;659923]Hopefully that will end soon.

[url=http://www.kcbs.com/pages/6182069.php?]KCBS - Suicide Net Chosen to Prevent Deaths on Golden Gate Bridge[/url][/quote]

well it depends how far the net is from the water,what if they land in the net then jump from the net?

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certainly awful. I do not know suicide first hand but I do know depression.

To change the subject slightly has anyone seen the movie the bridge? I remember seeing a documentary about it or something to that nature maybe on 20/20 or dateline last year. I have not seen the movie but reading the responses reminded me about this movie and I will be watching it soon through netflix. Just curious if any of you have seen it?

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[quote=Warpath;659937]certainly awful. I do not know suicide first hand but I do know depression.

To change the subject slightly has anyone seen the movie the bridge? I remember seeing a documentary about it or something to that nature maybe on 20/20 or dateline last year. I have not seen the movie but reading the responses reminded me about this movie and I will be watching it soon through netflix. Just curious if any of you have seen it?[/quote]
I'm a documentary fiend.. it's a very good one. I'd highly recommend checking it out.

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Having had two friends two commit suicide there are just no words. God bless Jay and his family right now.

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[quote=dmek25;659826]exactly. i used to think that it was the ultimate of selfishness, but i cannot fathom being in that much agony to take ones live[/quote]

Anxiety in the heart of man causes depression, but a good word makes it glad.
Proverbs 12:25

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[quote=Longtimefan;659948]Anxiety in the heart of man causes depression, but a good word makes it glad.
Proverbs 12:25[/quote]

With the media, the world situation, life these days, sometimes people have trouble finding that good word. I have tried to watch my words, to everyone, and really take to heart the power of positive words. If I can't be positive, or when criticism is needed be constructive, I really try not to say anything. All too often that one harsh word you could not refrain from saying is the one word that breaks a spirit or relationship.

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I had back surgery at one time. While I was in rehab or pysical therapy my doctor, after 6 months of constent painkillers and what have you. They put me on some anti-depression pills with everything else. So the first night on them I was seeing crazy faces at night the harder I tried to get my mind right the worse it got. I started to feel like I just wanted to get a knife and start to hurt myself and the urge was so strong I slept with a knife under my pillow. I told the doctor how it made me feel, but I was told to give it a week. I never felt depressed prior to taking those pills. I took them for a month and a half and every day was a challenge. Once I stop taking them, a since of comfort came back to me. I trusted those Doctor that said they had my best intrest in mind. But they ignored my constent complaints atleast in my mind.

I feel good now but for that time in my life, I thought about suicide. So you cant jump judgement until you are in that persons shoes and trust me you dont want to be there. So what I am trying to say is she could have been on some meds that made her feel that way,her dosage might have been to much who knows. This is a very sad story and it hits my heart very deeply.

Forgive me for my candor. I dont open up ever, but some of the post I just read, I just hope that you can open your mind and not think of it as a selfless act. Get the whole story first before you jump to conclusions. May GOD rest her soul if possible.

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[quote=htownskinfan;659932]well it depends how far the net is from the water,what if they land in the net then jump from the net?[/quote]


One guy in the doc The Bridge said as soon as he left the bridge he wanted to live more then anything in the world, he survived the fall. Which makes me think may of these folks most think this so if you hit the net maybe you will be inclined to stay o nthe net and wait for help.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;659952]With the media, the world situation, life these days, sometimes people have trouble finding that good word. I have tried to watch my words, to everyone, and really take to heart the power of positive words. If I can't be positive, or when criticism is needed be constructive, I really try not to say anything.[B] All too often that one harsh word you could not refrain from saying is the one word that breaks a spirit or relationship[/B].[/quote]

Truth. It takes effort that I sometimes struggle with, but an effort worthwhile. Sometimes the cycle needs to be broken, and you have to take upon yourself to be the one to do it.

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[quote=53Fan;660042]Truth. [B]It takes effort that I sometimes struggle with,[/B] but an effort worthwhile. Sometimes the cycle needs to be broken, and you have to take upon yourself to be the one to do it.[/quote]

I do too my friend, and all too often the snap response comes out before you can pull it back.