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[quote=NYCskinfan82;660493]Agree worth more, maybe a 2nd & a 3rd next year. I don't want to see him go thou, but it is a business.[/quote]

A couple of good games from Fred Davis and suddenly the best player on our team becomes expendable. It annoys me. We'd have to get a REALLY sweet offer to part with Cooley. I like Fred Davis a lot, but I'd also love to see some two TE sets with both of them on the field together. Hell, they may be our two best pass catchers right now.

Re: RI: Allen: 'We're going 100 mph getting ready for free agency'
 

Cooley is a gamer and has been a great Skin. Wish we could keep guys around for awhile like the pre cap days, but if there is a trade to be made, he is the only guy that will garner the most bang. Portis' time for being traded was after '07 or '08. Rogers might not be the best trade bait. ARE might be worth a low round pick, but that is it.

Re: RI: Allen: 'We're going 100 mph getting ready for free agency'
 

Bruce Allen is a good interview.

Re: RI: Allen: 'We're going 100 mph getting ready for free agency'
 

I am such a sucker when it comes to the Skins. A simple comment like these and I get amp'ed. I want to get past this snow, this month and get to free agency. The discussion on Cooley is old, but I will say again the Skins would be FOOLISH to trade away a content top 5 TE in the PRIME of his career for any amount short of ft knox type picks. We need to keep our core hard nosed talent(what little we have) and let others make the stupid trades and deals. The thing Allen said that I liked:
The pieces we pick up will be the beginning. not one player away mentality but building a long term championship team

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[quote=Dirtbag359;660474]Personally I can't believe they're giving Portis another shot. I'd rather try and find the next great nobody in Shanahan's offense then give a bunch of carries to Portis.[/quote]

I think they realize they can't automatically plug in any RB into the Shanny offense to succeed before they have the line to accomplish that.
Having Portis buys them time until the new line can develop

Re: RI: Allen: 'We're going 100 mph getting ready for free agency'
 

this is depressing..."changing offense, changing defense", can someone say rebuilding. Hopefully its not a 4-12 season

Re: RI: Allen: 'We're going 100 mph getting ready for free agency'
 

couldn't agree with gm and c anymore, every word out of allens mouth is more and more appealing

Re: RI: Allen: 'We're going 100 mph getting ready for free agency'
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;660506]this is depressing..."changing offense, changing defense", can someone say rebuilding. Hopefully its not a 4-12 season[/quote]

PA-LEEZE...this team was essentially the same team that Gibbs took to the playoffs....PLAYOFFS?...PLAYOFFS?

ok...except the line got injured a bit....anyways, it is my personal belief that a monkey could have gotten the Skins to win 1 more game this year. There is NO WAY shanahan goes 4-12, even with backups.

6-10 at worst...maybe....that is what I predicted for last year with Zorn at the helm who at the time I though was average.
A great coach can win a couple more games.
A HOF coach can maybe get one more out of the same rock.

It turns out Zorn kinda sucked...Shanny is in a totally different class

Re: RI: Allen: 'We're going 100 mph getting ready for free agency'
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;660506]this is depressing..."changing offense, changing defense", can someone say rebuilding. Hopefully its not a 4-12 season[/quote]

Depressing? So it would be less depressing if we kept the same vanilla defense that can't create turnovers and the same crap offense that can't score? I would call the upcoming moves exciting, not depressing.

Also, I don't really think it's going to be a total rebuild. Offensive line is probably the only position that is going to get a total overhaul.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;660506]this is depressing..."changing offense, changing defense", can someone say rebuilding. Hopefully its not a 4-12 season[/quote]


Wouldn't say rebuilding, more of a retooling. The only thing being rebuilt is the offensive line and that might not be that big of a job if we draft right and use FA to the max.

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[QUOTE]this is depressing..."changing offense, changing defense", can someone say rebuilding. Hopefully its not a 4-12 season[/QUOTE]

dallas went 1-15 but built a 3 superbowl winner, manning went 3-13 or something like that and has had one bad year since. if we go 4-12 but build a solid foundation, i will live. i want to see a commitment to building and sustaining greatness, if there are bumps along the way, so be it. another thing that Allen said, Shanahan has a plan and is installing it and discipline. after the way our O and D played they should be re-visiting both.

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[quote=skinsnut;660510]PA-LEEZE...this team was essentially the same team that Gibbs took to the playoffs....PLAYOFFS?...PLAYOFFS?

ok...except the line got injured a bit....anyways, it is my personal belief that a monkey could have gotten the Skins to win 1 more game this year. There is NO WAY shanahan goes 4-12, even with backups.

[B]6-10 at worst[/B]...maybe....that is what I predicted for last year with Zorn at the helm who at the time I though was average.
A great coach can win a couple more games.
A HOF coach can maybe get one more out of the same rock.

It turns out Zorn kinda sucked...Shanny is in a totally different class[/quote]

don't get your hopes up, have yhou seen our schedule next year [url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Future_Opponents_608.jsp]Future Opponents[/url] i'm ready for a few years of rebuilding while we look towards the future and eventually have a sick team of studs like the caps who are killing it tonight

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;660517]dallas went 1-15 but built a 3 superbowl winner, manning went 3-13 or something like that and has had one bad year since. if we go 4-12 but build a solid foundation, i will live. [B]i want to see a commitment to building and sustaining greatness, if there are bumps along the way, so be it.[/B] another thing that Allen said, Shanahan has a plan and is installing it and discipline. after the way our O and D played they should be re-visiting both.[/quote]

Brilliantly put.

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[quote=GMScud;660497]A couple of good games from Fred Davis and suddenly the best player on our team becomes expendable. It annoys me. [B]We'd have to get a REALLY sweet offer to part with Cooley.[/B] I like Fred Davis a lot, but I'd also love to see some two TE sets with both of them on the field together. Hell, they may be our two best pass catchers right now.[/quote]

I have argued that trading Cooley might not be a bad idea (which is different than saying we "should" trade), but only on the principle you adduced. Only trade Cooley if we can make it our own little Herschel Walker trade. Otherwise we hang on to our accomplished player who has future upside and a good attitude.

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ARE has no trade value unless we are throwing him in as a consolation prize.

Portis, LOL, has he even been cleared by the doctor yet? It's all good the team wants to bring him back, but if he's not cleared then basically it's all lip service from both sides and a moot point.