Re: What is necessary for us to be raised to the next level?
 

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Re: What is necessary for us to be raised to the next level?
 

[QUOTE]quoted by Skinster
[B]What is necessary for us to be raised to the next level[/B]?[/QUOTE]

We need a bonafide true #1 WR period.
When you don't have that true #1 WR,you allow the defense to play any type of scheme they desire.

A great #1,forces defense to roll their coverage to his side and a Safety over the top. This gives the other players on offense a better chance at making plays.

If they don't have a Safety over the top,you can score on a big play easily. (ie R.Moss,TO,A.Johnson,etc)

Just having Armstrong go deep and making plays has helped us win 2 games...(Eagles & packers alone) And he's really probably a true #3 WR,but playing as our #2.

All teams need to do is shut down Moss and Cooley and they have a good chance at beating us. (Moss still had 8 catches,but didn't hurt them deep...Armstrong didn't hurt them deep and neither did Galloway)

This is why I believe you need a player of V.Jackson's skill or some other player who can get the respect of a true #1 WR. Just him being on the field alone,would allow bigger plays from the other players,such as cooley,moss or armstrong. Not to mention it also helps the running game because the defense is so focused on stopping your #1 WR and you gash them with your running.

Moss is very good,but he's getting old and has probably always been a great #2 wr.
Armstrong is playing great,but will always be that #2 or #3 as well.

We don't have a #1 and we need one,if we're going to be a SB contender.
I'm sorry,but this is just how it is.

If we are not going to go out and get a true #1 wr......then we better go find Brian Westbrook and clone him cause McNabb is going to need someone with that skill set,to offset not having a true #1...Just like when mcnabb was in philly.

Unfortunately,VJ is the only WR that's a true #1 that is available now in a trade.
So we will have to wait till next season. (if there is one)

Until then,you can expect the same dogfight games that go down to the very last play.

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[quote=Buster;749625]Forsett outgained him despite getting a smaller workload. Just pointing that out.

Lynch = 17 for 44, TD

Forsett = 10 for 67, TD



[IMG]http://www.kornheiserscartel.com/uploaded_images/MarshawnLynch-774851.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Ehh, it's typically easier for running backs to pick up a system, but it's not one week easy.

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Don't have time to give a comprehensive list right now, so I'll just point out one thing.
Better fat boys. Both Oline and D line

The same Packers D line that was KILLING us last week was at least being handled decently by the Miami O-line. McNabb is probably hurting big after every game thanks to our o-line still being a sieve at times.

Giving up whatever giant amount of yards to the COLTS is not excusable. Most of our dlinemen are average at best. We need a true NT like Hampton, Ngata. Those guys. Golston IS NOT A 3-4 DE. Hell, he wasn't that great of a 4-3 DT in the first place.

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After watching last nights game I agree that we need a true #1 to compete with the best of the NFL. V jackson would be nice but probably unrealistic as AJ smith (AKA the lord of no rings!) is vindictive to a fault and wont want to trade him, although Haynesworth and a #4 sound good to anyone??? At this point I think we need to look to next season to get a #1, the list of available free agents is Randy Moss (no thanks!) Sidney Rice (intriguing) Santonio Holmes (low character guy) and Braylon Edwards...everyone else is a #2....

So if we are to draft a WR the best in my opinion is AJ Green out of Georgia but we will hopefully not have a high enough pick to take him!

So then we are looking at either Baldwin from Purdue or Julio Jones from Alabama, I'd rather take Jones.

Either way that's what I see as our biggest need, and sorry to be bringing up draft already!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;749646]Ehh, it's typically easier for running backs to pick up a system, but it's not one week easy.[/quote]

At the end of the year I still see Forsett being a better RB.

Lynch COULD have been great, but he's an underachiever. He's not a #1 RB anymore.

Forsett is young and versatile...has a bright future ahead of him.

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Its a common mispreception but Haloti is primarily if not exclusively their RE.

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[quote=over the mountain;749656]Its a common mispreception but Haloti is primarily if not exclusively their RE.[/quote]

Golston still needs to be replaced, so my point still stands. Good 3-4s dominate YARDS, POINTS AND TURNOVERS.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;749653]Don't have time to give a comprehensive list right now, so I'll just point out one thing.
Better fat boys. Both Oline and D line

The same Packers D line that was KILLING us last week was at least being handled decently by the Miami O-line. McNabb is probably hurting big after every game thanks to our o-line still being a sieve at times.

[B]Giving up whatever giant amount of yards to the COLTS is not excusable. Most of our dlinemen are average at best. We need a true NT like Hampton, Ngata. Those guys. Golston IS NOT A 3-4 DE. Hell, he wasn't that great of a 4-3 DT in the first place.[/B][/quote]

I agree. Carriker is serviceable. But we lack a decent NT and another decent DE. Golston is depth at best.

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#1 - keep our draft picks and have a solid 7 rounds of picks (not happening next year)
#2 - Get some help on the D-Line. If you arent going to use Big Al, which all though may have been gassed last night, would have helped with pressure up the middle, and stopping the endless runs between the tackles last night also.
#3 - Oline needs a true guard. I think with the o-line we have, it can be successful if they stay together. We can't keep plugging guys in every year and expect them to be good. They have to play together for a few years before we see some cohesion.
#4 - Everyone is crying for a #1 WR. It would be nice, but I would gladly take what we have now and keep that there next year. I think we need to see more cooley / davis formations. Armstrong may turn out to be a decent to good WR, maybe we can get a late pick that will contribute.
#5 - a freaking kicker that is reliable. How can we not find a guy that can make field goals. Anymore, seems like 45 to 48 are all most automatic for good kickers and this dude scares me from 35!

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Stickum?

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[quote=#56fanatic;749677]#1 - keep our draft picks and have a solid 7 rounds of picks (not happening next year)
#2 - Get some help on the D-Line. If you arent going to use Big Al, which all though may have been gassed last night, would have helped with pressure up the middle, and stopping the endless runs between the tackles last night also.
#3 - Oline needs a true guard. I think with the o-line we have, it can be successful if they stay together. We can't keep plugging guys in every year and expect them to be good. They have to play together for a few years before we see some cohesion.
#4 - Everyone is crying for a #1 WR. It would be nice, but I would gladly take what we have now and keep that there next year. I think we need to see more cooley / davis formations. Armstrong may turn out to be a decent to good WR, maybe we can get a late pick that will contribute.
#5 - a freaking kicker that is reliable. How can we not find a guy that can make field goals. Anymore, seems like 45 to 48 are all most automatic for good kickers and this dude scares me from 35![/quote]

#1 I agree that it would be nice to have 7 picks for once, but Ill take brown this year over any tackle we could have drafted with that pick
#2 Couldnt agree more but I would also say we didnt have Rocky last night so some of those runs wouldnt have been so bad
#3 Agreed no one could argue that point
#4 #1 WRs free up everything else, last night it looked like they were playing 8 and 9 in the box most of the night
#5 I fondly remember the days of Chip Lohmiller. It was nice to have some confidence in a kicker!

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If we can get a #1 WR now,we should pull the trigger if the cost is @ a 2nd round pick or lower..
(or multiple lower round picks like a 4th and a 5th or whatever using 2011 and 2012 draft years))

Or we could keep our draft pick and draft Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas? Yea..lets do that! Lets build through the draft...
Booooom botta......Biiiiiiing!
ace is in the house....lol

Re: What is necessary for us to be raised to the next level?
 

[quote=aceinthehouse;749690]If we can get a #1 WR now,we should pull the trigger if the cost is @ a 2nd round pick or lower..
(or multiple lower round picks like a 4th and a 5th or whatever using 2011 and 2012 draft years))

Or we could keep our draft pick and draft Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas? Yea..lets do that! Lets build through the draft...
Booooom botta......Biiiiiiing!
ace is in the house....lol[/quote]

While the elite "big" #1 is [B]A[/B] formula for success, some teams have won Super Bowls without a elite "big" WR at all.

See Pats(ok, maybe cheating was involved, but they still cut it close), Colts(ok, Polian rule-mongered it a bit), Steelers(refs make that questionable), Saints(Breesus is better than McNabb)

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I'm sick of hearing how great Chip Lohmiller was.

The guy missed multiple kicks from under 40yds every season. :soapbox: