[QUOTE=Daseal]Hard to say 8588. Besides Arizona you never saw him in another pro system in his prime. I'm positive if he didn't have that line, fullback, and QB/Receiver threat that he wouldn't be today's all-time leading rusher.[/QUOTE]

Thats why I think that he was a system back, I mean in his prime put him in to another system and would he still be that dangerous??

yea i think he was a system back but a good one never the less. barry sanders on the other hand would have been successfull anywere. just my thoughts.

[QUOTE=juggernaunt]we must cut the following players, brunnell, barrow, morton, and daniels. i know its ALOT of dead cap space for 2005 but it needs to be done. next is we need players who want to play, players who have a someting to prove, they are young players... that means Draft picks. something were lacking agina this year. i hope we dont win another game. Why you ask? cause mike willaims the top player in this draft can be trade bait, ie san diego chargers 2 #1's. trade samuels, moliona will be more than ready. trade gardener i dont care if its for a 4 or 5th rounder. if someone wants him trade portis(look at denver do they miss him)no. take the salary cap hit w/ that. we NEED to build within.[/QUOTE]

Trading two #1's (one of which will probably be around #12 and the other somewhere around #20) for our #3-6 would be a very good idea if San Diego would bite.

However, I don't see how you can say Molinaro would be ready to fill in for Samuels. What have you seen that I haven't? He hasn't seen the field all that much this year.
It would be pretty risky to put an unproven, 2nd year, former-7th rounder in at starting LT.

Get rid or Portis? Okay, now that's just crazy. First, we're going to take a cap hit of $10 million. Second, he's been running behind an offense that can't throw the ball more than 15 yards and so he's got 10 defensive players in his junk before the ball is snapped. Third, this is Clinton Portis; I think he's proven his mettle.

Trade Gardner for a 4th or 5th rounder? First, he doesn't have a high cap figure. Second, he is worth more than a 4th or 5th rounder. Third, most 4th or 5th rounders are lucky to be in the league for more than 4 years. Fourth, I like finding good picks in the lower rounds, but it's not that easy. Fifth, it's not Gardner's just isn't working in an otherwise brilliant offense.

Our current roster, coaches, and game plans aren't working, but you should figure out what is wrong before you go and make a bunch of hasty decisions. Cutting all those guys you mentioned would pretty much make this an expansion team next year (a bunch of guys working together for the first time). I understand the frustration, but come on, we need consistency not panicky moves that shake up the roster, coaching staff, and the entire organization.

agreed we are shit... but it will only take time... a few minor fixes but we cant yet again overhaul the team unless you're trying to suck for 3 more seasons. we'll be good again not next year, but the next after that with some continuity

I agree with all comments about not overhauling the entire team. Here are a few ideas for improving the team:

1. Unless Samuels accepts a major pay cut, trade him for a decent veteran qb. We don't need someone with an incredible arm or scrambling ability. Just a smart player with good accuracy and leadership skills. If Gibbs could turn Mark Rypien into a Super Bowl MVP and a Pro Bowler, he can certainly do it with a decent quarterback.

2. Use Gardner as part of the Samuels trade; we already have Thrash, McCants, and Jacobs. We have more than enough depth at that position, especially for a Gibbs offense.

3. Draft an offensive lineman or receiver in the first round (it depends on which position has the most talented player available). Use the second round to pick up the next position. Take a pash rushing de in the third round, someone we can send in on third and long. Use the final rounds to add depth at necessary positions.

[QUOTE=juggernaunt]i have been a loyal redskin fan my entire life, but this team is run like a lemonade stand. we buy and buy everyear and what do we have to show for it nothing.... so Daniel if you read this, You Must Fire Vinny Cerrato.

again i'm gonna preach that we have to cut the fat. if this was any other business how many people would have lost there jobs by now. this is a productivity world and for the amount of money i'm paying i'm getting nothing in return. its time to step back and re-build. Rebuild within, that means people that we dont go out and just buy players. that idea has been tired for 5 years and it hasnt worked. we must cut the following players, brunnell, barrow, morton, and daniels. i know its ALOT of dead cap space for 2005 but it needs to be done. next is we need players who want to play, players who have a someting to prove, they are young players... that means Draft picks. something were lacking agina this year. i hope we dont win another game. Why you ask? cause mike willaims the top player in this draft can be trade bait, ie san diego chargers 2 #1's. trade samuels, moliona will be more than ready. trade gardener i dont care if its for a 4 or 5th rounder. if someone wants him trade portis(look at denver do they miss him)no. take the salary cap hit w/ that. we NEED to build within.

hey Joe get a REAL GM, someone who knows talent not how much air pressure is need or how much wench needs to be turned. i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but unless things change around here WE WILL NEVER WIN.[/QUOTE]


Well I agree with the fire Vinny part at least...

I dont know about who to drop. Hopefully we can get Samuels to rework again if not trade or waive him. Need a GM and need to do some seriors homework even if we have to hire Mel Kiper for the draft. With our first pick we should trade it for more picks like we did the year we got Ramsey. We really dont have the cap space to pay the high first round picks do we? This draft will be important this year due to probably not being able to sign the big name free agents like in the past.

I really dont see Samuels restructuring his contract, but i was thinking about this tonight: If you look at the great O-lines in the league (Chiefs, Steelers, Ravens), they have been together for a longgg time. With all the problems we have with the O-line, which is the key to our team, can we realistically expect to improve a whole lot next season with a whole new O-line? I say we either draft a wr, and sign the best FA center available, so we have contiunity in Samuels Dockery and Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen on the 2 G's and 2t's, and throw in a top FA center to the mix and maybe we can have a good line?

bigstar - if we can get him to restructure Im completely with you, but that 11M salary will kill us!

[QUOTE=jrocx69]i say we make coles hit the IR now and start his surgery that is needed badly. the more time to heal the better. [/QUOTE] And you are a doctor that has seen the MRI? Let him start seeing the proffesionals to gain a opion on his foot, but please do not insult us by making a diagnosis when you do not have any medical basis for it.

[QUOTE=CRT3]And you are a doctor that has seen the MRI? Let him start seeing the proffesionals to gain a opion on his foot, but please do not insult us by making a diagnosis when you do not have any medical basis for it.[/QUOTE]
Apparently we have a lot of doctors in the house because I've seen plenty of people say he needs surgery.

He's supposed to see some specialists after the season and go from there. I think the problem is it's not some routine injury that he can go under the knife for, rehab and be back to 100% in 4-6 months. If it was that easy he would have done it last offseason.

[QUOTE=heybigstar]I really dont see Samuels restructuring his contract, but i was thinking about this tonight: If you look at the great O-lines in the league (Chiefs, Steelers, Ravens), they have been together for a longgg time. With all the problems we have with the O-line, which is the key to our team, can we realistically expect to improve a whole lot next season with a whole new O-line? I say we either draft a wr, and sign the best FA center available, so we have contiunity in Samuels Dockery and Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen on the 2 G's and 2t's, and throw in a top FA center to the mix and maybe we can have a good line?[/QUOTE]


I completely agree. We have enough talent under contract to build a good line if we just give it time for once. Since Snyder purchased the Redskins we have never given anything enough time to see if it would really work. Football is the ultimate team game. you can't build a Super Bowl team in one offseason. I would think we should know that by now...

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Apparently we have a lot of doctors in the house because I've seen plenty of people say he needs surgery.

He's supposed to see some specialists after the season and go from there. I think the problem is it's not some routine injury that he can go under the knife for, rehab and be back to 100% in 4-6 months. If it was that easy he would have done it last offseason.[/QUOTE]
I may be wrong, but I think they reccommended surgery last year for him, but he opted to try to rest it and see if that improved it. He didn't want to miss the additional mini-camps with the new staff.

[QUOTE=juggernaunt]i have been a loyal redskin fan my entire life, but this team is run like a lemonade stand. we buy and buy everyear and what do we have to show for it nothing.... .[/QUOTE]

If you don't like the lemonade find another lemonade stand. I'm here for the long haul.

[QUOTE=Paintrain]I may be wrong, but I think they reccommended surgery last year for him, but he opted to try to rest it and see if that improved it. He didn't want to miss the additional mini-camps with the new staff.[/QUOTE]This is from an article in the Times this past summer

[url="http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040803-121326-8518r.htm"]http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040803-121326-8518r.htm[/url]

[quote]That said, it was another reminder that Coles' injury could be a lingering issue for the entire season. He chose not to have surgery during the offseason because doctors told him there was a chance it could end his career.[/quote]