Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

[quote=CrazyCanuck;805257]Yes someone actually wants to be a Skin.

[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2011/06/01/santana-moss-wants-to-be-a-redskin/"]Santana Moss wants to be a Redskin « DC Pro Sports Report[/URL]

[B][SIZE=4]I'd welcome Santana back with open arms.[/SIZE][/B]

Can't wait to see him burn Rogers ring-of-horror style.[/quote]

LOVE Santana....we need him.

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

Cheap contract for one year, or no cigar for Moss. Better to let them go one year too soon than one year too late.

Also, LOL at the "Niles Paula" typo in the article.

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

[quote=NLC1054;805289]I think the roster for wide receivers probably will be Santana Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson, Niles Paul, Terrence Austin and Aldrick Robinson.

Roydell Williams is gone. I really think that, unless Malcolm Kelly has a phenomenal offseason, he'll be gone too, possibly even if he stays healthy. Mike likes his receivers to be able to play special teams as well, and Kelly's proven to fragile to do that. And with Niles Paul and Aldrick Robinson being able to return kicks, Banks is at a disadvantage unless he proves he can make a big time impact as a receiver.

It's more nerve racking to me that Armstrong could end up being our only "veteran" receiver. That's putting a lot of pressure on all the rookies to step up and play right away, and they'll be under an intense microscope. Shanahan likes his players to be versatile, which is why guys like Niles Paul and Aldrick have a pretty solid chance of making the team, where as some of the other guys have less of a chance.[/quote]

What about Banks though? We'll already be pushing the roster limit with 6, and it seems that sixth spot is reserved for Banks. Kelly I personally don't want but everything we've heard has said that the job could be his to loose if he's healthy, which in Kelly's case is a big if.

Either way from from what I've seen Armstrong already has that box out, jump ball thing down, and Hankerson is also suppose to provide that possession presence so why people are so high on Kelly is beyond me but the coaching staff seems to like him.

Also, tidbit thats gone overlooked is Armstrong's reaction to us drafting 3 receivers.
[quote]"When they drafted three I was like, 'What the hell?'?" said Armstrong, who caught 44 passes and averaged 19.8 yards a catch in his first season. "I was mad. I was like, 'Shoot, what are you trying to say?' Why did you draft three? Don't you have faith in me?"
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But in the end that veteran factor is going to be amplified this offseason when it comes to assigning a value to players so regardless of what I think the likely outcome is Moss will stay. Personally the only thing that scares me about Moss is he reminds me of a basketball player that gets 20 PPG but has a terrible FG%.

In the case of Moss we have an 1,100 yard receiver with a 12 ypc average. Though by the same token Moss is a hard worker thats not yelling at people to get him the ball.

Anyway welcome to the forum NLC, or should I say Clu? lol.

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

Moss seems like a guy who can remain quietly effective (at a sub-800 yard level) right into his mid thirties. I just don't think it makes a lick of sense to bring him back here.

Like I said many times this, if we can't develop three other guys who are as effective or are more effective than Santana Moss, we're going to be in trouble anyway. If it gets worse without him for a year, I think that's a small price to pay. But others see this a lot differently than I do.

He's one of the better FAs available though, perhaps top after Malcom Floyd (ignoring the players with five or fewer years of service time).

I would just ask the people who see Moss as our slot receiver of the future to consider just how much would have to go wrong for us to not be able to replace Moss' production out of the slot. Kelly would have to get hurt again, and even then, Niles Paul or Aldrick Robinson profiles really well in that role. Armstrong could even move into the slot in third down situations. Brandon Banks is probably a downgrade in the slot over anyone, but again, at the point where Banks is seeing significant snaps out of the slot, so much has already gone wrong that having Moss would hardly have made a difference.

Replacing the slot receiver in pro football is even easier than replacing the kicker. Everyone on your roster at the WR or TE position (and even some RBs) can play the slot.

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Where did this notion that Santana only plays in the slot (or only plays well in the slot) come from?

Kyle lined him up everywhere last season. In the slot, outside, split end, flanker. They moved Santana around a lot.

You look at Andre Johnson, and he never just lines up in one place. None of the wide receivers in this offense do or did either (except maybe Roydell, but he sucks). You don't get 93 receptions [i]only[/i] playing in the slot. Moss plays all over the place, which I think what makes him invaluable.

It's not that I think the rookies can't come in and have success. I think Terrence Austin could be a good slot receiver. But it's all about versatility with Mike Shanahan. He wants his guys to be able to play multiple positions and multiple places.

That's one of the things that propelled Armstrong over Devin Thomas last year; Armstrong could really play everywhere you wanted to, and Devin...well...Devin was Devin.

And Dirtbag (hey, it's that guy from YouTube, lol), I like Banks, but again; it's the versatility. If the kick off rules really are as big an issue as it seems that might be, that limits his effectiveness. Banks has to prove that he can be a potential every down player. He's a tough guy, he's willing to go over the middle, he's got blazing speed (still can't believe McNabb OVERTHREW HIM in the Indy game), but he has to have a major development at the wide receiver position to stay on the team.

He's really at a disadvantage because both Niles Paul and Aldrick Robinson can return kicks, play wide receiver, and play special teams. And his durability (while I think it's a bit overblown) is still a concern.

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I don't think anyone is saying Moss only plays in the slot, just that long term he's probably best used primarily in the slot.

I think Banks is definitely on the bubble

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

[quote=NLC1054;805314]Where did this notion that Santana only plays in the slot (or only plays well in the slot) come from?

Kyle lined him up everywhere last season. In the slot, outside, split end, flanker. They moved Santana around a lot.

You look at Andre Johnson, and he never just lines up in one place. None of the wide receivers in this offense do or did either (except maybe Roydell, but he sucks). You don't get 93 receptions [i]only[/i] playing in the slot. Moss plays all over the place, which I think what makes him invaluable.

It's not that I think the rookies can't come in and have success. I think Terrence Austin could be a good slot receiver. But it's all about versatility with Mike Shanahan. He wants his guys to be able to play multiple positions and multiple places.

That's one of the things that propelled Armstrong over Devin Thomas last year; Armstrong could really play everywhere you wanted to, and Devin...well...Devin was Devin.

And Dirtbag (hey, it's that guy from YouTube, lol), I like Banks, but again; it's the versatility. If the kick off rules really are as big an issue as it seems that might be, that limits his effectiveness. Banks has to prove that he can be a potential every down player. He's a tough guy, he's willing to go over the middle, he's got blazing speed (still can't believe McNabb OVERTHREW HIM in the Indy game), but he has to have a major development at the wide receiver position to stay on the team.

He's really at a disadvantage because both Niles Paul and Aldrick Robinson can return kicks, play wide receiver, and play special teams. And his durability (while I think it's a bit overblown) is still a concern.[/quote]The argument against paying Moss to play on the outside is a lot easier, I think. And I think Moss' true value is his Patriots-style versatility. Moss can be a match-up nightmare, if surrounded by better weapons. That may require a change of scenery for him.

I'm just saying that the most common argument for extending Moss is that he can just take a higher percentage of snaps out of the slot as his ability to beat no. 2 corners leaves him (he hasn't been able to beat elite corners in years). But I'm pointing out that moving on is the best option for building a receiving corps because Moss as a slot guy is just blocking a younger guy from the exact same role.

And really, if getting rid of Moss means that Hankerson plays 90% of the snaps this year instead of 55%, I just don't see why this would be a bad outcome for a 2011 Redskins team that is going to finish with a losing record. Don't fear the future.

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I might agree with you if I believed the person who would play in Moss' slot (no pun intended) would be a young receiver. But I fear that it would be a stopgap veteran (see: Galloway 2010)

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[quote=SmootSmack;805319]I might agree with you if I believed the person who would play in Moss' slot (no pun intended) would be a young receiver. But I fear that it would be a stopgap veteran (see: Galloway 2010)[/quote]That wouldn't make the decision to let Moss test the market a bad one though. It would just open the door for a nonsensical and unnecessary veteran signing.

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

why did he opt out of his old deal? I feel like he won't make as much being that he is a small 32 year old receiver....which was torrey holt's last good year.

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

[quote=skinster;805322]why did he opt out of his old deal? I feel like he won't make as much being that he is a small 32 year old receiver....which was torrey holt's last good year.[/quote]

He didn't opt out, his contract just expired.

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;805291]Cheap contract for one year, or no cigar for Moss. Better to let them go one year too soon than one year too late.

Also, [B]LOL at the "Niles Paula" typo in the article[/B].[/quote]

It's not the only typo in that article... FD must be their proofreader :)

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

Moss can still be productive, his status however means at what cost. There will be a plan for the influx of youth now at the position. The lack of an agreement leave so much unknown about what we really have....I would welcome Moss back.

Re: Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

I know I"m going to get railed for this but I'll be glad when Moss is out of here. He's one of the last pieces of this organization that needs to go. I will NEVER forgive him for that game in Seattle. He just quit as he's done on numerous occasions. He's cost us more games than he's won for us. Sure, he gave us the Monday Night Miracle in Dallas, but he also gave us this.

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That said, I'd sign him to a 1-2 year contract and move him to the slot until he can be replaced.


[quote=Dirtbag59;805294]What about Banks though? We'll already be pushing the roster limit with 6, and it seems that sixth spot is reserved for Banks. [/quote]

I don't see Banks making the cut. The WRs that were drafted this off-season all have return experience. If that isn't writing on the wall then I don't know what is. I"m quite positive Banks is one of those "club" guys that Willie Parker was referring to as well. Banks doesn't really bring anything to the table at the WR spot. (at least Cribbs and Hester do)

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Cherry picking again I see.