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Reading this thread I realize I have no idea what part of last year's mess was Kyle's, Mike's, or Griffin's. It certainly seems like many have assigned a good portion of it to Kyle, I tended to assign it to first Mike's ego, and then Mike/Kyle working together, and reserved a certain amount for Griffin's distrust and his desire to "be loved".

It will be interesting to see Kyle's offense, without his father's guiding or controlling hand over it. And as for Manziel, I just don't see him succeeding in the AFC north, playing Baltimore twice a year, along with Cinci and Pitt. But atleast he did seem to know how to slide. (after going headfirst the first time)

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Why all the hate towards Kyle? Personally I have no beef with him and wish the guy well. What did he do that was so bad? Everyone loved him in 2012. To me the issue was between Griffin and Mike with Kyle sort of caught in the middle. It's a pre season game, Kyle has a new team and a fresh new start, Mike's getting 7 million to sit on his ass and we have a new coach who seems to seems to communicate well with the players. Win win for everyone...lol.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1077594][B]Reading this thread I realize I have no idea what part of last year's mess was Kyle's, Mike's, or Griffin's. It certainly seems like many have assigned a good portion of it to Kyle, I tended to assign it to first Mike's ego,[/B] and then Mike/Kyle working together, and reserved a certain amount for Griffin's distrust and his desire to "be loved".

It will be interesting to see Kyle's offense, without his father's guiding or controlling hand over it. And as for Manziel, I just don't see him succeeding in the AFC north, playing Baltimore twice a year, along with Cinci and Pitt. But atleast he did seem to know how to slide. (after going headfirst the first time)[/quote]

Not sticking up for MS but the situation with RG3 got out of hand partly because of RG3's ego. Here you have a 1st-2nd year QB who's best buds with the owner and has become bigger than the team, and feels like he's entitled. Snyder did the same thing with Portis. Hopefully Snyder has learned that he can't pal around with players anymore and not piss off the other 52 players. MS obviously made the situation worse by being a rat and leaking things to the media. Then of course the benching. I think also part of the issue was RG3 not wanting to run RO.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1077593]Johnny Manziel is not gonna put up with Kyle's mess, we will see if Kyle is there next year.[/quote]

Kyle doesn't even want to be there this year, but you gotta put food on the table.

Anyway, I'm staying out of this conversation for personal reasons.

Just looking forward to some football again. 11 days is too long a wait between games

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[quote=skinsfan69;1077596]Not sticking up for MS but the situation with RG3 got out of hand partly because of RG3's ego. Here you have a 1st-2nd year QB who's best buds with the owner and has become bigger than the team, and feels like he's entitled. Snyder did the same thing with Portis. Hopefully Snyder has learned that he can't pal around with players anymore and not piss off the other 52 players. MS obviously made the situation worse by being a rat and leaking things to the media. Then of course the benching. I think also part of the issue was RG3 not wanting to run RO.[/quote]

I think that relationship with Snyder, and the distrust of Shanahan, probably started after the Seattle game and subsequent surgery. My understanding, from press reports only is that Snyder visited him on the day of, and that was important to him (hence why I said "feeling loved") and that Shanahan didn't visit at all. I don't fault Snyder at all for going to check on his star player, or any player - which I believe he would- after a major, career changing, injury and surgery. If it's true that Shanahan didn't I do blame him for that. I tend to put a lot on the old egotistical coach who felt threatened by the fame of an young up and coming qb. That is how Shanahan had been all his coaching career, sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. In the end it didn't last year for sure.

And I had said in the post you quoted that RGIII holds some of the blame, but at 22-23, and being constantly in the spotlight, I think I minimize his blame some. If he doesn't get better along the way, then that will be a different way to frame the whole discussion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1077597]Kyle doesn't even want to be there this year, but you gotta put food on the table.

Anyway, I'm staying out of this conversation for personal reasons.

Just looking forward to some football again. 11 days is too long a wait between games[/quote]

SS, any insight about working with Johnny foosball? good, bad?


I think its time to move on from last year and the Shannys, that being said, I think its pretty clear how it ended last year, that the disfunction was all Dad and not Son. The blame was clearly Mike Shanny, like 99% to 1%. I think Kyle will be a solid O cordinator once he's in a good situation, brown clearly are not that situation.

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I don't buy the perspective in which the problem was all Mike and Kyle was just an innocent bystander. It doesn't make sense in terms of family dynamics and human psychology. It also demeans Kyle, who is an active professional in his own right, not just a fly on the wall or a yes man for daddy. The team imploded for off-field reasons and Kyle deserves at least some of the blame for that.

The Shanahans did us really wrong and I will continue to dislike them for this reason.

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There are other owners far friendlier with their players than Snyder is with RGIII, but hey, people are gonna believe what they want.

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Hopefully they carry him off the field Jim Zorn style.

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[quote=Mattyk;1077601]There are other owners far friendlier with their players than Snyder is with RGIII, but hey, people are gonna believe what they want.[/quote]

I would agree with that, but that's probably developed over a period of time/success.

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[quote=Lotus;1077600]I don't buy the perspective in which the problem was all Mike and Kyle was just an innocent bystander. It doesn't make sense in terms of family dynamics and human psychology. It also demeans Kyle, who is an active professional in his own right, not just a fly on the wall or a yes man for daddy. The team imploded for off-field reasons and Kyle deserves at least some of the blame for that.

[B]The Shanahans did us really wrong and I will continue to dislike them for this reason.[/B][/quote]

I tend to think whichever Shanahan sat Griffin unintentionally did us a huge favor. I think it drove the point home to him that him risking getting hurt for 1 play's gain isn't worth it. And IF they got that to settle into Griffin's mentality, then a "by any means necessary" rule applies. I also think they got us past the next stage in Snyder's development, which was bringing in a true GM, and a respectable football structure. So from a long term perspective, I can overlook the end of cycle tantrum that they put out there.

And this from a guy who didn't want Shanny in the first place.

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[quote=Chico23231;1077599]SS, any insight about working with Johnny foosball? good, bad?


I think its time to move on from last year and the Shannys, that being said, I think its pretty clear how it ended last year, that the disfunction was all Dad and not Son. The blame was clearly Mike Shanny, like 99% to 1%. I think Kyle will be a solid O cordinator once he's in a good situation, brown clearly are not that situation.[/quote]

I haven't asked him about it, to be honest I haven't really talked to him at all since like March

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1077605]I tend to think whichever Shanahan sat Griffin unintentionally did us a huge favor. I think it drove the point home to him that him risking getting hurt for 1 play's gain isn't worth it. And IF they got that to settle into Griffin's mentality, then a "by any means necessary" rule applies. I also think they got us past the next stage in Snyder's development, which was bringing in a true GM, and a respectable football structure. So from a long term perspective, I can overlook the end of cycle tantrum that they put out there.

And this from a guy who didn't want Shanny in the first place.[/quote]

Dang CRed, I've been told that I can find a silver lining in anything but you just outdid me by a mile.

I find it difficult to believe that with all of the opportunities he's had, RGIII finally learned to be safe was when he was not really hurt, under at least one lame duck coach who clearly wanted to leave a mess in his wake.

None of us were behind closed doors and this Shanahan business is in the past, anyway, so I'll let it go. But IMO "Shanahan" should be a four-letter word in Redskinsland for 2 reasons, not just one.

As for 2014, I hope the Cleveland offense finds a way to finish 33rd.

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Kyles play calling sucks buttermilk thru a radiator hose.
I'll never forget when he used Cooley to carry the ball as a fullback two plays in a row.
What a marooon........

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[quote=Lotus;1077566]Kyle is like the top of my buttcrack: he has the stink even if he didn't do the actual pooping.

F@#k Kyle.[/quote]

:laughing2