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I literally havent watched a game since the Cowboys game, been spending Sundays with my wife and kids doing family days and date Sundays. My wife says I need to get back to supporting the team and wants me to watch the game today. So I am gonna go shopping and avoid the Redskins again.

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[quote=mooby;1099284]Not trying to offer up a defense but our franchise was a joke before he got here, he's just continued that "legacy." I think our only hope is that with age comes wisdom, hopefully he will wise up and eventually hire smart football guys (who he won't mind butting heads with) vs. yes men that he's friends with.[/quote]

The franchise was not a joke. Yeah we have some down years 93 to 95 as the team had to be completely rebuilt. 96 and 97 was basically 500. The main thing is it was professionally run and I'm not sure that's the case now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099333]The franchise was not a joke. Yeah we have some down years 93 to 95 as the team had to be completely rebuilt. 96 and 97 was basically 500. The main thing is it was professionally run and I'm not sure that's the case now.[/quote]

FFS, maybe using the term joke was harsh but the post SB years of '91 were nowhere near expectations. And when Snyder bought the team they hadn't done anything of note since '91. If you want to call that "professionally run" go ahead, but the point is we hadn't done shit for several years before he arrived and all he's done since then is continue that.

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[quote=mooby;1099737]FFS, maybe using the term joke was harsh but the post SB years of '91 were nowhere near expectations. And when Snyder bought the team they hadn't done anything of note since '91. If you want to call that "professionally run" go ahead, but the point is we hadn't done shit for several years before he arrived and all he's done since then is continue that.[/quote]

They did make the playoffs in '92. Yes they had some lean years after that, but the team was never as bad as it is now. Even in the Norv Turner years, things were not as bad as the records indicated. The team was mediocre, but it wasn't a joke.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1099329]I literally havent watched a game since the Cowboys game, been spending Sundays with my wife and kids doing family days and date Sundays. My wife says I need to get back to supporting the team and wants me to watch the game today. So I am gonna go shopping and avoid the Redskins again.[/QUOTE]

Quake I don't blame u bro I'm doing the same when I get back home this week. F this team

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It's sad to say but the team is really not worth watching. not worth investing any time into. Love the Skins in our heart but maybe it's time to accept that as long as Snyder is the owner - we are never again going to see success - superbowls, back to back playoffs, any of that stuff. That ship sailed long ago. Sad thing is he cares only about the money. And the Skins will be making plenty of that so there is no chance he changes himself any time soon...

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1099747]It's sad to say but the team is really not worth watching. not worth investing any time into. Love the Skins in our heart but maybe it's time to accept that as long as Snyder is the owner - we are never again going to see success - superbowls, back to back playoffs, any of that stuff. That ship sailed long ago. Sad thing is he cares only about the money. And the Skins will be making plenty of that so there is no chance he changes himself any time soon...[/QUOTE]
Very True!

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[quote=mooby;1099325]I'm referring to the period between '91 and '99. Yeah we made the playoffs the first year he owned the team but I'm definitely not going to give him the credit for that. It's not that hard to figure out, why would I call our 14-2 Super Bowl winning team a joke? That doesn't make sense. 8 consecutive years of futility after that is definitely not something to be proud of though.[/quote]The year after the last Super Bowl victory, the Skins won a wild card round playoff game at Minnesota before losing at SF in the Divisional round. In the 90's, they actually qualified for the playoffs in '90, '91, '92, and '99, and somehow missed in '96, collapsing after a 7-1 start. Starting in 1996, the common denonminator during the Norv years was a talented, but undisciplined team that would underachieve and find ways to lose games.

Perhaps Snyder's biggest mistake was firing Charlie Casserly before the 2000 season.

Re: The all things Dan Snyder thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1099747]It's sad to say but the team is really not worth watching. not worth investing any time into. Love the Skins in our heart but maybe it's time to accept that as long as Snyder is the owner - we are never again going to see success - superbowls, back to back playoffs, any of that stuff. That ship sailed long ago. Sad thing is he cares only about the money. And the Skins will be making plenty of that so there is no chance he changes himself any time soon...[/quote]

I think he cares about winning. My personal belief is that he wants to win his way... Kind of like Jerry Jones but at least Jerry Jones has some football knowledge.

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Again Jerry Jones is one of the best owners of all time, he is also the gm and does a good job at it. Dallas is always at least 500. We never r and Dan has never and will never win anything.

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I give up. I will be honest, I wasn't around for those "professionally run" years. If you guys want to continue the "we weren't that bad, despite having 4-12 and 3-13 seasons immediately after a playoff season" circle jerk feel free. Just don't be talking about 20 years of mediocrity since apparently we were in the midst of a golden age before Snyder showed up.

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[quote=mooby;1099800]I give up. I will be honest, I wasn't around for those "professionally run" years. If you guys want to continue the "we weren't that bad, despite having 4-12 and 3-13 seasons immediately after a playoff season" circle jerk feel free. Just don't be talking about 20 years of mediocrity since apparently we were in the midst of a golden age before Snyder showed up.[/quote]

I'm with you. We were professionally run through the '90's and Casserly was very good. But even Casserly had some clunkers and, on the whole, we were never all that much through the '90's. When Gibbs 1.0 ended, things got darker.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1099769]Again Jerry Jones is one of the best owners of all time, he is also the gm and does a good job at it. Dallas is always at least 500. We never r and Dan has never and will never win anything.[/quote]

I agree to disagree .

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[quote=mooby;1099800]I give up. I will be honest, I wasn't around for those "professionally run" years. If you guys want to continue the "we weren't that bad, despite having 4-12 and 3-13 seasons immediately after a playoff season" circle jerk feel free. Just don't be talking about 20 years of mediocrity since apparently we were in the midst of a golden age before Snyder showed up.[/quote]

Nobody said those seasons weren't bad. They were bad. The worst I had ever had to deal with being a Redskins fan. But even still, the team was professionally ran. When Joe Gibbs took the Redskins to that last Super Bowl, that team wasn't very young. By the time we got to '93, those guys either retired or left in the new era of free agency. Probably felt it was a good time to get out since Gibbs had just retired. And I don't think Richie Pettibon really had it in him in terms of strength and knowledge to help rebuild the Redskins. While he still had several parts left over from their last Super Bowl run, he still had a team that was not as talented even from the previous year. And when Norv Turner arrived the year after that, the team was pretty much gutted with only Darrell Green and Brian Mitchell (that I can remember) left over from those Super Bowl years. Jim Lachey might have still been there, but the point I'm making is, those two awful seasons were a sign of an aging team at the end of their rope and a complete purge the following season. Hence, the 4-12 and 3-13 seasons.

But, I said all of that to make a point that from '94 on, save for that '97 season, the Redskins really looked like they were just a few pieces away from being a perennial playoff team. At least a solid 10-6 team. A Marty Schottenheimer working with that talent would have probably been enough to have made those seasons playoff seasons. Anyway, looking back on it, and admittedly, a few years removed sometimes makes you forget the worst of it, I don't remember any of those teams ever being the joke like the teams have been in recent years. The turmoil, the "I just do this to get a paycheck" type of play on field, the media junk. Yes, I remember Westbrook beating up Davis, but other than that, this present era of the franchise is probably the worst I've ever been a part of. At least in the 90's, you always felt you had a chance and had hope. I don't feel that way at all now.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1099769]Again Jerry Jones is one of the best owners of all time, he is also the gm and does a good job at it. Dallas is always at least 500. We never r and Dan has never and will never win anything.[/quote]

Jerry Jones has people around him that make him look good IMO, I think Dallas wins despite of Jerry Jones.

Snyder on the other hand, just keeps hiring the wrong people period.