but could you imagine him as our pass catching TE? u want to talk about the mismatches teams would have if we drafted winslow, but they wouldn't compare to what williams as our te or h-back would do. i'm not for trading future picks like a few people have suggested, but I'd be the first one in line to say if u can draft williams in the supplemental draft do it!!

plus gardner might be gone this year or next to aquire some semi decent picks in the 2nd to 4th round range.

Why not lose next year's 1st rounder for a guy who was already going to be at least a top 15 pick? Hopefully we're picking in the 2nd half of the draft next year.

Positives:

We could trade Gardner.
We could afford to lose him next year.
We could add depth due to injury.

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]but could you imagine him as our pass catching TE? u want to talk about the mismatches teams would have if we drafted winslow, but they wouldn't compare to what williams as our te or h-back would do. i'm not for trading future picks like a few people have suggested, but I'd be the first one in line to say if u can draft williams in the supplemental draft do it!![/QUOTE]


It wouldn't be a bad idea if we pick up Taylor and Cleveland drafts Winslow as everyone expects. But a first round pick? All that money? I'm not familiar enough with him...

he'd be top 15 first round talent for significantly less money. his signing bonus even after the debating will be about 3-5 million less in signing bonus alone than he would have gotten from being drafted this saturday. and like skins93 said, more than likely we should be picking in the later half of the draft next year.

I dont see him being a good H-back. He has no experience in blocking, and while hes big for a receiver his small for a tightend. Winslow looks like a tall skinny guy, but its a solid 250. Winslow got enough bulk to him to block people, yet hes fast enough to be a receiver. If you draft M.Williams you gotta play him at receiver, just not number one receiver becasue coles is obvioulsy way faster. He'll be a threat at wideout one day, hes got a little maturing to do though. Hasnt he only been playing football for two years? He did somethign else before he came to college.

What's William weigh anyway? I know it's up there, but not sure how up there...

230, and people want him to lose weight so he'll be faster. Winslow is already faster.

he's 6'5 at 230lbs.

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]What's William weigh anyway? I know it's up there, but not sure how up there...[/QUOTE]

He is 6'5", 230. Put another 20-25 pounds on him, he'd make a hell of an H-back.

you put another 30 pounds on him, and teach him to block. Thats a lot to ask out of a guy. Because it has to be thirty pounds of muscle. Hes used to being a playmaker, he doesnt want to play hback. It would be easier to get him to lose 10 pounds, and just keep conditioning to be faster. Look at Shockey, Tony G. Todd Heap, they all have big frames, and can just move for their size. How much good do you think Mike would do running infront of Portis 30 times a game? Linebackers and Linemen would level a receiver trying to play fullback all game.

plus from everything I've read about winslow is that he isn't the greatest blocker either. and i also seem to get the idea from sports writers and such that the h-back isn't really used much as a blocker. the h-back is the recieving threat while the te is used primarily as a blocker/extra tackle.

He would be good whenever you sent him in motion, he woudl be a huge threat that way. But then you are just playing him as a receiver, which they should just do anyways.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]He would be good whenever you sent him in motion, he woudl be a huge threat that way. But then you are just playing him as a receiver, which they should just do anyways.[/QUOTE]

so in that regards wouldn't winslow just be a beefed up wr since he isn't really technically sound in his blocking and would mostly be used in shifts and motions?

Please stop judging football players only on the 40 yard dash times and work out numbers. Being fast in the 40 does not make you a great WR or football player. It helps, but you must remember they are playing football not track and field.
Michael Irvin (in his prime), Keyshawn Johnson and Terrell Owens are not going to break anything less than 4.6 or 4.7 in the 40 and they are/were all great Probowl WR's.
There are big possesion WR's and there are speed WR's. Williams is a possesion WR.

Just like being 6' 5" and 250 plus lbs. does not make you a great blocking Tight end.
Making Williams an H-back is not going to work and it would be waste of his god given talent. The jump from blocking defensive backs in college to blocking Linebackers and defensive ends in the NFL is a big jump. Most good college TE's have a tough time adjusting to being good blockers in the NFL. It takes them years to adjust For a WR to do it is just not going to happen.