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[QUOTE=offiss]We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.[/QUOTE]

its nice that you think clemons is ready to go... he's been decent on rushing the passer, but i haven't seen him in coverage etc at all. and what happens if he gets hurt? you need a reserve and without lavar we'd need to get somebody who isn't worthless.

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The only thing we know about C Clemons is that he is a decent pass rusher off the edge. It would be ridiculous to assume he is an every down player. If he is, I would have liked to have seen him in the game instead of Holdman.

I understand that people feel a loyalty to Lavar because he was making plays and putting forth effort when it seemed that no one else was. I like Lavar as well. The thing is, though, the way the financial aspects of the game are structured, you can't give your heart and soul to any individual player. Darrell Green was the last Redskin I felt any attachment to, and he was the only one for many years. If he he had not played for so long, the last one would have retired around '94 (Monte) or '95 (Monk). Maybe its age, but I just can't get worked up about anyone getting the axe unless I think its a dumb football decision which is not the case here. Its not personal with Lavar. Its not personal with Patrick. It won't be personal the next time with the next guy. (Brunell? Wynn?) So, I'll listen to someone make a case on the football merits, but sentimentality will not persuade me anymore.

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Is anyone else hoping for no salary cap as much as I am?

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[QUOTE=offiss]We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.[/QUOTE]

I can't take a single thing you say seriously, because you're so obviously biased against Mark Brunell.

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Cutting Brunell leaves Gibbs with no safety net at all, especially since it's obvious Ramsey is on his way out.

There's just no way Gibbs would take that big of a risk at QB.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Cutting Brunell leaves Gibbs with no safety net at all, especially since it's obvious Ramsey is on his way out.

There's just no way Gibbs would take that big of a risk at QB.[/QUOTE]

They would not cut him this year, but he'll have to go sooner or later. I don't see him playing out his whole contract.

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from a numbers standpoint, ditching mark brunell this offseason makes lot of sense... but like i said, i don't see gibbs ever doing it. IF MB got the axe, obviously you'd have to keep ramsey for his last year.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]The only thing we know about C Clemons is that he is a decent pass rusher off the edge. It would be ridiculous to assume he is an every down player. If he is, I would have liked to have seen him in the game instead of Holdman.

I understand that people feel a loyalty to Lavar because he was making plays and putting forth effort when it seemed that no one else was. I like Lavar as well. The thing is, though, the way the financial aspects of the game are structured, you can't give your heart and soul to any individual player. Darrell Green was the last Redskin I felt any attachment to, and he was the only one for many years. If he he had not played for so long, the last one would have retired around '94 (Monte) or '95 (Monk). Maybe its age, but I just can't get worked up about anyone getting the axe unless I think its a dumb football decision which is not the case here. Its not personal with Lavar. Its not personal with Patrick. It won't be personal the next time with the next guy. (Brunell? Wynn?) So, I'll listen to someone make a case on the football merits, but sentimentality will not persuade me anymore.[/QUOTE]


Well we don't have to assume anything with Lavar, we know he's not an everydown LB, infact if williams has his way he wont be playing any downs, Clemons has showed steady progress, he has also shown he can get after the QB better than Lavar, there is a reason Lavar was on the bench most of the year and I am tired of hearing the injury excuse he didn't have major reconstruction on his knee, he's just a lowsey LB, who happens to have a big personality.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]its nice that you think clemons is ready to go... he's been decent on rushing the passer, but i haven't seen him in coverage etc at all. and what happens if he gets hurt? you need a reserve and without lavar we'd need to get somebody who isn't worthless.[/QUOTE]

That is what the draft is for, it is also why Williams makes the big bucks, he can take an athlete and make him a football player, Williams has proven he can take a nobody and have him outplay Lavar, [see Marshall] as well Clemons was on his way to claiming that spot before his injury. Perhaps he's not an everydown player yet? That's why we have scouts, to draft a player who can step in if need be. I can't imagine a rookie taking longer to learn the position than Lavar has.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I can't take a single thing you say seriously, because you're so obviously biased against Mark Brunell.[/QUOTE]

Yes I am, but it's not unfounded bias. But to whomever thinks Brunell is the answer, good luck. Brunell is no longer the apple of Gibbs eye, that honor now belongs to Campbell! As Gibbs said it's time for Campbell to go to work and start earning his paycheck, I don't believe he was refering to him holding a clipboard.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Yes I am, but it's not unfounded bias. But to whomever thinks Brunell is the answer, good luck. Brunell is no longer the apple of Gibbs eye, that honor now belongs to Campbell! As Gibbs said it's time for Campbell to go to work and start earning his paycheck, I don't believe he was refering to him holding a clipboard.[/QUOTE]

I think it's unfounded. 23 TDs and 11 INTs. It speaks for itself. But I'm not going to get into a QB war here, because if Campbell can play even better than Brunell did in 2005, then I'm all for playing him.

I agree with your stance on Lavar though. I just hope the cap figures work out in such a way that makes it possible to trade him, because I don't want him as a Redskin anymore.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]They would not cut him this year, but he'll have to go sooner or later. I don't see him playing out his whole contract.[/QUOTE]

That's quite obvious, he was never brought here to play the full 7 years. His deal was essentially a 3 year contract.

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I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!!

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There are a select few LaVar "bashers".

Most of us are just seeing the reality of the situation, he's very overpaid and based on what we saw last year, he doesn't appear to be an ideal fit for GW's defense.

Based on those two statements he's very expendable.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!![/QUOTE]

This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.[/QUOTE]

By that logic, would you argue with a Colts fan who says that Peyton Manning should be cut? He's a great regular season player who doesn't really accomplish anything in the playoffs. Are they better off with him crippling the cap? If he restructured they could keep Edge and Reggie Wayne. Is he going to? I don't think so. So, by your logic, Peyton Manning is hurting the Colts.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.[/QUOTE]

My arguement is not ALL emotional if you bother to read the last parts of the post. It takes a year if not longer to get back to 100% after a surgery or two like he had. Towards the end of the year he showed his talent, he showed that he is close to getting back to his pro bowl level. of the 9 games he played full time, he had 40 to 45 tackles, plus 6 for loss,(which led the team) Plus in the playoff games he avgd about 10 tackles a game. I dont think my arguement is all emotional. Yes, I like LaVar, and I think he is a damn good LB. It would be a mistake to let him go, eat the 12 million when he wants to redo his deal for less. He is back to 100%(or close to it), which he hasn't been in 2 years. This guy is going to have more to prove than anyone on this, plus alot to prove to everyone in the NFL that says he doesn't have it anymore. I just think its a mistake. Thats all. THINK(thats my opinion) fact or not everyone is entitled one!

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]My arguement is not ALL emotional if you bother to read the last parts of the post. It takes a year if not longer to get back to 100% after a surgery or two like he had. Towards the end of the year he showed his talent, he showed that he is close to getting back to his pro bowl level. of the 9 games he played full time, he had 40 to 45 tackles, plus 6 for loss,(which led the team) Plus in the playoff games he avgd about 10 tackles a game. I dont think my arguement is all emotional. Yes, I like LaVar, and I think he is a damn good LB. It would be a mistake to let him go, eat the 12 million when he wants to redo his deal for less. He is back to 100%(or close to it), which he hasn't been in 2 years. This guy is going to have more to prove than anyone on this, plus alot to prove to everyone in the NFL that says he doesn't have it anymore. I just think its a mistake. Thats all. THINK(thats my opinion) fact or not everyone is entitled one![/QUOTE]

But is he worth his cap figure?

That's the real question and the main reason behind the logic that says he likely won't be back next year.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]But is he worth his cap figure?

That's the real question and the main reason behind the logic that says he likely won't be back next year.[/QUOTE]

to rework for 6 instead of cutting him and eating 12mil. absolutely

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]to rework for 6 instead of cutting him and eating 12mil. absolutely[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about the future years of his deal, you always seem to be so against restructuring deals and mortgaging the future, yet it's ok for your boy LaVar?

Why not cut him and his ridiculous deal loose now and help save some major cap space in the near future??

Emotions aside, getting him off our books asap is the right move.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm talking about the future years of his deal, you always seem to be so against restructuring deals and mortgaging the future, yet it's ok for your boy LaVar?

Why not cut him and his ridiculous deal loose now and help save some major cap space in the near future??

Emotions aside, getting him off our books asap is the right move.[/QUOTE]


I just dont think this year is financially possible. 12 million vs 6 million. From what I hear he is willing to take a big paycut to stay. Now if that is not the case, then maybe we do need to let him go. No team can afford a 12 million cap number. I am against restructuring deals, especially when they get these big signing bonuses again. With LaVar, from what I understand, he is willing to take a cut, make the 6.5 a signing bonus and spread it over the new contract. Also taking the minimum salary for each year. Thats what heard, dont know how true it is. But, it would seem doable if thats the case.

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A $9M cap hit sounded crazy a year ago but the team made it work to get rid of Coles, I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to make it work again this year. Pending the CBA if course.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]By that logic, would you argue with a Colts fan who says that Peyton Manning should be cut? He's a great regular season player who doesn't really accomplish anything in the playoffs. Are they better off with him crippling the cap? If he restructured they could keep Edge and Reggie Wayne. Is he going to? I don't think so. So, by your logic, Peyton Manning is hurting the Colts.[/QUOTE]

Dude, what in the world are you talking about??

Are you saying Lavar is a great regular season player like Peyton Manning?? Because he's not. He's nothing without his speed.

My whole point is that the only reason you consider keeping Lavar is if his cap numbers make cutting him prohibitive. If you can get rid of him and still keep the rest of the team together, you get rid of him. I think you're totally misunderstanding my stance.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I just dont think this year is financially possible. 12 million vs 6 million. From what I hear he is willing to take a big paycut to stay. Now if that is not the case, then maybe we do need to let him go. No team can afford a 12 million cap number. I am against restructuring deals, especially when they get these big signing bonuses again. With LaVar, from what I understand, he is willing to take a cut, make the 6.5 a signing bonus and spread it over the new contract. Also taking the minimum salary for each year. Thats what heard, dont know how true it is. But, it would seem doable if thats the case.[/QUOTE]

56fanatic, it's totally strange for me to sit here and read a post from you that supports the renegotiation of Lavar's contract, kicking more money into the future when you're so vehemently arguing against that very practice in the Salary Cap Analysis thread. Nobody is saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the second you put an opinion on a discussion board, it is open season when it's inconsistent. So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, but in my eyes you opened yourself up to it.

If Lavar takes an out and out [b]cut[/b] in pay this year, then I will 100% agree that it makes sense to keep him. If he [b]renegotiates[/b] into signing bonus, kicking the money down the road, I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, it would depend on the deal. His contract is the most expensive one on our books, basically in a tie with Chris Samuels. But he's not even close to our best player. The whole point is that if we cut him this year, we'll clear up future salary cap space which we can do more with. I think we can get more talent with his cap space down the road than he offers himself.

But it's hard to know how much he's willing to renegotiate. He goes back and forth on his statements all the time. We'll just have to wait and see.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]A $9M cap hit sounded crazy a year ago but the team made it work to get rid of Coles, I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to make it work again this year. Pending the CBA if course.[/QUOTE]

You could be right. We will see in next couple of months what goes down. For the sake of my Jerseys, I hope he stays. Every year I buy one the cut the damn player loose or trade them. I am wondering who I can get that will be around for long haul.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]56fanatic, it's totally strange for me to sit here and read a post from you that supports the renegotiation of Lavar's contract, kicking more money into the future when you're so vehemently arguing against that very practice in the Salary Cap Analysis thread. Nobody is saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the second you put an opinion on a discussion board, it is open season when it's inconsistent. So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, but in my eyes you opened yourself up to it.

If Lavar takes an out and out [b]cut[/b] in pay this year, then I will 100% agree that it makes sense to keep him. If he [b]renegotiates[/b] into signing bonus, kicking the money down the road, I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, it would depend on the deal. His contract is the most expensive one on our books, basically in a tie with Chris Samuels. But he's not even close to our best player. The whole point is that if we cut him this year, we'll clear up future salary cap space which we can do more with. I think we can get more talent with his cap space down the road than he offers himself.

But it's hard to know how much he's willing to renegotiate. He goes back and forth on his statements all the time. We'll just have to wait and see.[/QUOTE]

You are right as well. As in the post I had w/ Matty I said I heard he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Now, if thats true and he renegotiates the deal with the roster bonus to where his cap number is managable or less than the original deal, then we should keep him. If he falls back on his statement where he doesn't want to redo the deal, then we have to look at dealing him or just letting him go. That of course is if we can trim enough dough to take the big hit. As Matty said, we found a way w/ the Coles deal, maybe we can find another way with LaVar.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Dude, what in the world are you talking about??

Are you saying Lavar is a great regular season player like Peyton Manning?? Because he's not. He's nothing without his speed.

My whole point is that the only reason you consider keeping Lavar is if his cap numbers make cutting him prohibitive. If you can get rid of him and still keep the rest of the team together, you get rid of him. I think you're totally misunderstanding my stance.[/QUOTE]

For one, no, I'm not saying he's a regular season player like Peyton Manning. However, LaVar had a great playoff game, which is more than I can say for Peyton...lol.

I think LaVar is a very good football player, but what I was saying that if his cap number is hurting the team so bad, then you can make the same case against a Peyton Manning. He has a huge cap number that he hasn't said he'll restructure, so now they're losing people. Is he the best QB in the league? Yes. Does his contract hurt the team? You're damn right it does. So, that was the parallel, not their play on the field.

I happen to think LaVar can be a great linebacker again, but it's become obvious that the Skins don't want him here, just like everyone else they give a big contract to. So, it doesn't matter if he restructures, he'll be cut within a few years anyway. That's how Washington does business.

I understand that it's a business decision and that his being a fan favorite makes no difference, whatsoever. Which is asinine, but that's the way it is. LaVar is one of my favorite players on the team, but I'll say that he doesn't live up to the contract he's playing under. Why he isn't is up for debate, but that's not the point.

Bottom Line: Once it becomes clear the Redskins want you gone, you're gone. It's just a matter of when, not if. See: Brad Johnson, Stephen Davis and a whole list of other guys that got run out of town because they fell out of favor with Dan Snyder.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]You are right as well. As in the post I had w/ Matty I said I heard he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Now, if thats true and he renegotiates the deal with the roster bonus to where his cap number is managable or less than the original deal, then we should keep him. If he falls back on his statement where he doesn't want to redo the deal, then we have to look at dealing him or just letting him go. That of course is if we can trim enough dough to take the big hit. As Matty said, we found a way w/ the Coles deal, maybe we can find another way with LaVar.[/QUOTE]

I'm not quite clear on what you're saying. His base salary for 2006 is already at the vet minimum, so there's nothing we can do with his base salary. He's due $6.5 million as a roster bonus this year. Are you saying he might be willing to cut the $6.5 million payment down, and then change the remainder of it to a signing bonus? If he wants to cut it down low enough before renegotiating it, then that would be great. Can we see him doing that though? Because he thought he was getting $12 million instead of $6.5, until he realized that his agent let him down. To get even less than $6.5 this year would seem to be something he'd like to avoid. Who knows though.

In the case of cutting or trading him, I think even if the CBA is extended there's no way in the world we'd be able to absorb a $12 million hit from him. It would be hard to clear that much room. We would release/trade him after June 1 and take a $5 million hit this year and a $7 million hit in 2007 (assuming the CBA is extended).

If the CBA is not extended we're stuck with him no matter what, so hopefully we can renegotiate in that scenario.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]
I happen to think LaVar can be a great linebacker again, but it's become obvious that the Skins don't want him here, just like everyone else they give a big contract to. So, it doesn't matter if he restructures, he'll be cut within a few years anyway. That's how Washington does business.

I understand that it's a business decision and that his being a fan favorite makes no difference, whatsoever. Which is asinine, but that's the way it is. LaVar is one of my favorite players on the team, but I'll say that he doesn't live up to the contract he's playing under. Why he isn't is up for debate, but that's not the point.[/QUOTE]

Well to be fair, Dan Snyder loved the guy once upon a time. Then Lavar and his agent brought this ridiculous grievance against the team, for which they had no evidence. So it's hard to blame Snyder for being miffed.

But Snyder is not the one who matters anymore, it's Gregg Williams. He's the one that Lavar has fallen out of favor with, and is the one Joe Gibbs listens to in regards to defensive personnel. The way Washington does business has changed drastically, it used to be Snyder pulling the strings, now it's Gibbs.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Well to be fair, Dan Snyder loved the guy once upon a time. Then Lavar and his agent brought this ridiculous grievance against the team, for which they had no evidence. So it's hard to blame Snyder for being miffed.

But Snyder is not the one who matters anymore, it's Gregg Williams. He's the one that Lavar has fallen out of favor with, and is the one Joe Gibbs listens to in regards to defensive personnel. The way Washington does business has changed drastically, it used to be Snyder pulling the strings, now it's Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.[/QUOTE]

I can respect that. But I also respect Gregg Williams' resume.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!![/QUOTE]

blah blah blah, emotion doesn't win many games from the bench. Its a business, not a fairy tale.

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in the NFL its all about price/performance, and guys like wynn and lavar are hitting 1/1 and the team is capped out, so you gotta do something about it. the choices are pretty clear though... if lavar stays brunell and wynn HAVE to go. if he goes his number is going to force people out when the 12mill hits, or cap is in bad shape this season and next.

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when lavar signed his huge contract he was not overrated and he deserved every penny. i remember how happy i was that the skins would make such a good move.

now, since recieving that contract, lavar has been hurt. people "all of a sudden" say he can't play lb, he doesn't study,bla,bla, bla.....thats all bull crap, he was the best player on this team since the day he was drafted. he is no longer the best player but still a darn good one, in my opinion.

the one thing i will agree with is lavar ran his mouth too much and for that reason, he fell out of favor with this coaching staff.

if he is willing to take a pay cut then i say he should stay, be given the chance to show he still has the ability to be a dominant lb and be given the chance to rebuild his relationship with this coaching staff.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.[/QUOTE]


TOTALLY RGHT!....................I AGREE WITH U 100% I DONT KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HES NOT A GOOD LINEBACKER OR AN AVERAGE LINEBACKER....!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OR HE LOST HIS SPEED.........WTF ARE U TALKIN AB......HE IS A GREAT INEBACKER AND I THINK STILL ONE OF THE BEST WHEN IN 100% FORM...........THE TWO PLAYS STUCK IN MY MIND IS THE PLAY HE MADE ON THE GOAL LINE TO THE RAIDERS WHERE HE GOT IN THE BACKFIELD AND BLEW UP THE RUNNING BACK, AND WHEN HE CHASED ALEX SMITH ACCROSS THE FIELD AND MADE A BIG HIT ON HIM.......OR EVEN THE TROY AIKMAN PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 

[QUOTE=jdlea]When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.[/QUOTE]

Actually the player we missed the most was Griffin.

When he was out of the lineup the D gave up big plays left and right, once he returned things settled down.

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 

[QUOTE=jordanz301]TOTALLY RGHT!....................I AGREE WITH U 100% I DONT KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HES NOT A GOOD LINEBACKER OR AN AVERAGE LINEBACKER....!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OR HE LOST HIS SPEED.........WTF ARE U TALKIN AB......HE IS A GREAT INEBACKER AND I THINK STILL ONE OF THE BEST WHEN IN 100% FORM...........THE TWO PLAYS STUCK IN MY MIND IS THE PLAY HE MADE ON THE GOAL LINE TO THE RAIDERS WHERE HE GOT IN THE BACKFIELD AND BLEW UP THE RUNNING BACK, AND WHEN HE CHASED ALEX SMITH ACCROSS THE FIELD AND MADE A BIG HIT ON HIM.......OR EVEN THE TROY AIKMAN PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Listen to all that yellin', he's so not gellin'.

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]Listen to all that yellin', he's so not gellin'.[/QUOTE]

I hope Sean Taylor don't end up a felon...
Lavar's knee showed signs bit then started swellin'...

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 

jordanz head is as big as a melon,and if he doesnt stop the yellin,im pm matty and tellin

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Actually the player we missed the most was Griffin.

When he was out of the lineup the D gave up big plays left and right, once he returned things settled down.[/QUOTE]

seriously. he has to be the most boring athlete ever put in front of a camera, but he's been the D's MVP 2 years running. A 6-8 sack a year DT isn't that common (and that's through double teams while also stopping the run dead in its tracks... while walking 15 miles to school, uphill both ways).