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[QUOTE=That Guy]in the future i hope you're not going to depend on free agents, cause there will be less and they'll cost more (and be older and mainly crap players too).

the only reason to toss future draft picks is if you think the union will decertify and bring the NFL to court on anti-trust issues (the draft is an illegal business practice) and the draft isn't going to exist in the future.[/QUOTE]

Both good points. Touche (sp?). :duel:

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359]Hey how about some love for Derrick Hagan. I know we're not suppose to fall in love with combine numbers but the guy ran a 4.42. I always considered the guy a good football player but I had heard he was slow and the last thing I wanted was a big slow guy for the Redskins. However I was wrong. He's a big fast guy and thats something the Redskins could use. Plus with this whole CBA thing looming I think we should start thinking more about drafting talent than free agents (a la New England).


Yet the guy I would pick for the Redskins if they had a first round pick would be Florida Reciever Chad Jackson. I've had the oppurtunity to see him at the senior bowl, some workout at Dolphin Stadium, and the combine and he ceases to amaze me. Guy runs a 4.3 and I've rarely seen him drop a ball. Plus I know that all pro players have above average bodies (hell even John Hall looks muscular), but this guy has an insane amount of muscle on a 6'1 frame. Think about it he's 201 pounds, which gives him 2.8 pounds per inch (it takes about 10-12 pounds to change the index by a tenth of a point). Thats boardering on middle-weight competitive bodybuilder. On top of all this he's 20 years old which means he has huge upside. Man I'm telling you if the Redskins had a first round pick this guy would be their choice. Screw Free-Agency.[/QUOTE]


He actually ran an unofficial 4.29 40, the guy reminds me of David Boston physically only faster, and think the kid is only 20 years old.

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[QUOTE=offiss]He actually ran an unofficial 4.29 40, the guy reminds me of David Boston physically only faster, and think the kid is only 20 years old.[/QUOTE]

He sounds interesting. On the one hand, the curse of the Florida wideouts makes me want to shy away from him. On the other hand, I don't really believe in curses.

Does anyone know what Sinorice's 40 time was? I know 40 times are overrated, but I am curious to know how fast he actually is.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]He sounds interesting. On the one hand, the curse of the Florida wideouts makes me want to shy away from him. On the other hand, I don't really believe in curses.

Does anyone know what Sinorice's 40 time was? I know 40 times are overrated, but I am curious to know how fast he actually is.[/QUOTE]

from NFL draftscout (may be slightly outdated, i'll watch the combine day 4 in a second though to doublecheck):

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WR Rank Name Hgt Wgt 40 Time Proj. Rnd
62 Gerran Walker 5'9" 188 4.30 ---
13 Johnathan Orr 6'2" 195 4.35 3-4
31 Jeremy Bloom 5'9" 175 4.36 6
1 Santonio Holmes 5'11" 190 4.36 1
30
159
180
--- Troy Bergeron 6'2" 190 4.38
92
2 Sinorice Moss 5'8" 183 4.39 1

others:
7 Derek Hagan 6'1" 203 4.50 2-3
10 Todd Watkins 6'3" 185 4.42 3
11 Greg Lee 6'2" 200 4.50 3
12 Martin Nance 6'4" 208 4.58 3
15 Mike Hass 6'1" 208 4.58 3-4
16 M Robinson (QB) 6'1" 218 4.56 4
41 Drouzon Quillen 6'6" 218 4.52 ---

only 2 other WRs are 6'6"+ (no listed 40 times)
103 Markee White 6'7" 205
196 Darryl Owens 6'6" 214
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moss is a 4.4 guy (santana ran 4.27) and hagan doesn't look like a sub 4.4 guy, though again, i'll doublecheck that.

I want DQ, he's about two slots out of being drafted, and i still like orr, who i said would be the biggest fast guy ;)

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]He sounds interesting. On the one hand, the curse of the Florida wideouts makes me want to shy away from him. On the other hand, I don't really believe in curses.

Does anyone know what Sinorice's 40 time was? I know 40 times are overrated, but I am curious to know how fast he actually is.[/QUOTE]

Sinorce ran a 4.34 unoffically on his second run when I saw him. I missed his first run. He was actually in a pretty good group of Recievers with Jackson, Hagan, Avant, and Holmes. With that said he did a pretty good job of distinguishing himself. However as you can see from my impression with that Florida guy that I believe Jackson stole the show (except in the run and catch drill which Avant excelled)

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I think those might be old but here is a link at the top five of each drill for yesterday. I would love to get Brandon Marshall in the 5th or 6th but his stock might have just went up. He came in at 6'4"+, 229 and ran a 4.5, 37 inch vert. They were callin him baby TO and it wasn't because of his problems. Greg Jennings from Western Michigan migh tbe another nice pick up in a late round.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9269912[/url]

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There will be no good wr's left at 53. we should take D'qwell jackson. MD was not good this year so he didn't get recognition, but he is smart, works hard and is a great tackler. he would be MLB which would allow us to move marshall to the weak side. much like merriman this is a guy who will make an instant impact and early in the year was projected mid first round. Go Terps!

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Does anyone else want bloom in the fifth or sixth? Good return guy to replace thrash and can fill in as a speedy #4 or 5 WR.

Re: Who would you pick in the 2nd round?
 

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]I think those might be old but here is a link at the top five of each drill for yesterday. I would love to get Brandon Marshall in the 5th or 6th but his stock might have just went up. He came in at 6'4"+, 229 and ran a 4.5, 37 inch vert. They were callin him baby TO and it wasn't because of his problems. Greg Jennings from Western Michigan migh tbe another nice pick up in a late round.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9269912"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9269912[/url][/QUOTE]


Jennings looked good yesterday. real good. i dont think hell be available late anymore.

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[QUOTE=Sean Taylor is God]Does anyone else want bloom in the fifth or sixth? Good return guy to replace thrash and can fill in as a speedy #4 or 5 WR.[/QUOTE]

i like the story, but i think there will be a lot more talented guys than him available. he's projecting as a 6th rounder right now.

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updated with new 40 times, if anyone caught nance or hass's time, let me know.

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WR Rank Name Hgt Wgt 40 Time New 40 Proj. Rnd
62 Gerran Walker 5'9" 188 4.30 ---
13 Johnathan Orr 6'2" 195 4.35 4.41 3-4
31 Jeremy Bloom 5'9" 175 4.36 4.50 6
1 Santonio Holmes 5'11" 190 4.36 DNA 1
30
159
180
--- Troy Bergeron 6'2" 190 4.38
92
2 Sinorice Moss 5'8" 183 4.39 4.38 1

others:
7 Derek Hagan 6'1" 203 4.50 4.42 2-3
10 Todd Watkins 6'3" 185 4.42 4.40 3
11 Greg Lee 6'2" 200 4.50 3
12 Martin Nance 6'4" 208 4.58 3
15 Mike Hass 6'1" 208 4.58 3-4
16 M Robinson (QB) 6'1" 218 4.56 4
41 Drouzon Quillen 6'6" 218 4.52 ---

Will Blackmon 6'0" 200 4.54 4.46
4 Chad Jackson 6'1" 205 4.45 4.32

only 2 other WRs are 6'6"+ (no listed 40 times)
103 Markee White 6'7" 205
196 Darryl Owens 6'6" 214
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[QUOTE=Sean Taylor is God]Does anyone else want bloom in the fifth or sixth? Good return guy to replace thrash and can fill in as a speedy #4 or 5 WR.[/QUOTE]

I like the idea of having a Wayne Cherbet clone down the road. I also like his attitude. He said in an interview "I try to play like a #1 but I train like I'm #2." Wonder if he got double digits on the Wonderlic though. However I'd also like to get Michael Robinson in the 4th or 5th round as well. But then again I'm the same idiot who got mad when Mike Williams wasn't drafted by the skins.


BTW. I'm not sure but I think Bloom got a 4.48 in the 40. Don't hold me that though.

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McClover ran a 4.65 and had a 39 inch vert. I would love to get him.

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how about Devin Hester. Cornerback from Miami(Fla). Should fall to the second round. runs a 4.33 40 and is an excellent kick/punt returner also which we need. Does not have great size but neither do our other corners. This is definatly a position we need young depth at especially with the expected realease of Harris and I think Springs will be 32 years old.

[url="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2006&nid=1832026"]http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2006&nid=1832026[/url]
read his bio. this guy has been all over the field. Not sure what he did in '05 but i saw highlights of him on espn running a punt back for a td

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[QUOTE=bigm29]how about Devin Hester. Cornerback from Miami(Fla). Should fall to the second round. runs a 4.33 40 and is an excellent kick/punt returner also which we need. Does not have great size but neither do our other corners. This is definatly a position we need young depth at especially with the expected realease of Harris and I think Springs will be 32 years old.

[url="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2006&nid=1832026"]http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8&c=1&yr=2006&nid=1832026[/url]
read his bio. this guy has been all over the field. Not sure what he did in '05 but i saw highlights of him on espn running a punt back for a td[/QUOTE]

He is real fast but not the greatest CB. He didn't even start at Miami. I would rather try to get Blackmon or Phillips in the 3rd.

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[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]He is real fast but not the greatest CB. He didn't even start at Miami. I would rather try to get Blackmon or Phillips in the 3rd.[/QUOTE]

Apparently Blackmon's having an identity crisis. Can't decide if hes gonna be a Reciever or Corner. However as we saw last year with Denvers noble 1st day draft experiment that quality corners can be found throughout the first day of the draft so I'm on board with a guy like Blackmon. Hester would be hard to pass up on the second day but then again he is Deions understudy.

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CB is a position where i'd draft speed, cause the technique is pretty teachable (as long as they aren't afraid of contact).

blackmon is trying out as both, but he's made it clear he's more of a corner than a WR (though he can do both for your team).

I like J joseph and gerrick mcpherson (2-3 and 5th round respectively).

lawson (which i had slightly behind mcclover) just ran a 4.44 40 and placed first in the 20 yard shuttle, meaning he has great burst AND long speed. I'm all up on that.

Cocong (DL) looked really good too (he's the guy that had 60 tackles for loss and 23 sacks in ONE year). Haralson also looked very quick, but i'm not sure he's big enough.

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I think with the speed Lawson showed he will get drafted as a OLB in a 3-4 before we pick anyway. Hester ran a 4.4+ which isn't very impressive considering there were rumors of a sub 4.3 and alot of guys did run in the 4.3's. If we could get Kelly Jennings in the 3rd he could be a steal. He ran a sub 4.4 and tested real well, plus he is actually a good CB unlike Hester.

Re: Who would you pick in the 2nd round?
 

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]I think with the speed Lawson showed he will get drafted as a OLB in a 3-4 before we pick anyway. Hester ran a 4.4+ which isn't very impressive considering there were rumors of a sub 4.3 and alot of guys did run in the 4.3's. If we could get Kelly Jennings in the 3rd he could be a steal. He ran a sub 4.4 and tested real well, plus he is actually a good CB unlike Hester.[/QUOTE]

I agree... but man, there's going to be a lot of good players left in the 2nd round this year.

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Honestly I think the Skins need to be lookin at a CB, S, OL, or LB. I think the issue concerning WR will be answered with free agency. If not, then what we have will have to do. Hiring Al Saunders, is again the most important move we have made thus far, just like when we hired Gregg Williams. This guy can make it work.... he can watch and study players and find out what they are best at and fit them into a system, just like Gregg Williams did with Pierce, Bowen, and Clark... Just look at the chiefs, they made it work with the players they had at the WR position, but they had no talent, at least we have MOSS and patten, and COOLEY. The focus will be on the running backs. I would look for Portis and Betts to be catching alot more passes this year.

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we don't have enough talent, if cooley/patten/moss get hurt, thats it. we need someone and if a cba isn't done, the draft is about the only way.

or first pick i'd prefer to use on TE (pope) or OT/OG (depending on who's there, but an eye on spencer cause he'd be a huge upgrade over doc, and he'd be super cheap depth).

I think the WRs in the 3rd and 4th are better than most that'll be ranked highly in the 2nd.

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Does anyone know off hand how much the average 2nd round pick deserves to get paid his first year? Including bonus.