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[/SIZE]I don't like it , as I've said before he can't and won't stay healthy .Even when he is he's not that good,and awful lot of very good defensive coachs have tried to work with him and failed .We should have moved up to get Hawk or Carpenter and bring in Harry Carson to coach them! [IMG]http://67.18.37.16/1277/149/emo/giants.gif[/IMG]

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Hell of a LB, too bad the knee injury has slowed him down though,,,
he's only a threat on 1st and 2nd down.. why not pick up Ahmad Brooks in the supplamental draft and we'd forget all about #56

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If he wasn't good enough for Gibbs, he's not good enough for me. He can talk all he wants about playing against the Skins twice etc, etc, but he'll also feel a deep pang of sadness watching us raise the Lombardi trophy while he sits at home with ice packs on his knees.

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[quote=dblanch66]If he wasn't good enough for Gibbs, he's not good enough for me. He can talk all he wants about playing against the Skins twice etc, etc, but he'll also feel a deep pang of sadness watching us raise the Lombardi trophy while he sits at home with ice packs on his knees.[/quote]

yeah ok ,lol

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I wish Arrington all the luck when he's playing the cowboys and eagles but when he plays the skins, I hope his roof catches fire.

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I always hoped for LA to actually be as good as the hype. IMO he had the ability to be one of the very best but only played at that level once in awhile and it never lasted long enough. He talked "team" but many of his outbursts and difficulties in recent years to me said "me". He kind of became irrelevent to me last season. We just didn't need him and his mouth anymore.

I cannot think of many guys who have had difficulties on a Gibbs coached teams...Gibbs likes high character guys and will take care of them...his track record says his approach works. Arrington didn't fit into that mold. I think that had everything to do with him no longer being a Skin and thats good enough for me.

Just my opinion though.

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Wow read this L.A. suckfest from Carucci over at nfl.com
[quote=vic 'i have a hardon for lavar' carucci]
April 22, 2006) -- The Giants' signing of LaVar Arrington could very well prove to be the [B]single best acquisition in this year's free-agent market[/B].

Arrington still ranks as [B]one of the most talented linebackers -- and one of the best players at any position[/B] -- in the NFL. I have the utmost respect for the job Gregg Williams has done in building a highly successful defense in Washington, and that clearly didn't require much help from Arrington. But just because Arrington might not have been a good fit for Williams' highly structured scheme does not mean he is incapable of thriving elsewhere. Frankly, after so much acrimony in his relationship with the Redskins, a change of scenery might just be what Arrington needs to help him regain the difference-making form he displayed earlier in his career.


Ex-Skins LaVar Arrington is ready to flex his muscles against his former team in NFC East battles.
Arrington means much more to the Giants than a plug for the huge hole they had had at weak-side linebacker. In joining ends Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora, and middle linebacker Antonio Pierce, he completes what could very well be [B]the most dominant defensive front in the league.[/B] When healthy and focused, Arrington is [B]capable of taking over a game[/B]. As a pass-rusher, he relies on an [B]explosive first step[/B] that allows him to [B]consistently beat opponents off the snap[/B]. Against the run, he has the speed and athleticism to make plays from sideline to sideline and catch runners from behind.

Of course, the Giants were wise to sign him to a contract that is heavy with incentives, and, therefore, protects them in case Arrington's knee acts up or he again becomes unhappy with his surroundings. Given the structure of the deal, my sense is that Arrington understands he has an excellent opportunity to revitalize his career and whether that happens is going to be mostly up to him.

If it does, this pickup could easily help [B]swing the balance of power in the NFC East in the direction of the Giants and enhance their chances of being a serious postseason contender in 2006[/B].

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I bolded the parts that suck. Now i'm a big lavar fan, and even though he plays for the giants now, i still wish that he will have a good season, but carucci is acting like lavar never had any knee injuries, is still as explosive as he was earlier in his career, and is one of the best linebackers to play the game, which as we all saw post injury, he isn't.

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Wonder what number he'll wear...I suggest a number in the 90's

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe]Wonder what number he'll wear...I suggest a number in the 90's[/quote]

he is wearin 55

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[quote=hooskins]Can we stop arguing about the same old crap, about if LaVar is good in our eyes, bc he left, and whatnot. Its over ppl stop going on and on about how he didnt love the skins, sheez you guys are acting like you just got dumped by Kelly in the 6th grade, bringing up how she didnt love you ever living minute. The issue at hand right now is, LaVar's new deal, its terms, etc. He was a good player for us, tried hard, good guy for the fans and community, did LOVE the skins, had trouble with the handful of coaches over the years, and left bc of the conflicts that came up in his situation that were not all HIS fault. We all know what happened was for the best (damn now even I sound like your best bud conforting you after you got dumped), so just let it freaking go.[/quote]

I am quoting my own post, bc you guys need to end this LaVar bitching crap, it really is lame. I understand if you talk bout him, his salary, how he did hear, etc, but quit complaining about him, its like people revolve around him here. Biggest bunch of hypocrites in this thread, because you all are saying im sick and tired of this LaVar talk, this and that, but then next post you guys are bitching about how he was all about the money....

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[quote=Kope]Not good. But if anyone will know how to exploit him it will be Gibbs / Williams. I am worried about him and Pierce and our signals, though.[/quote]

Assuming that he knows our signals.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey]Hell of a LB, too bad the knee injury has slowed him down though,,,
he's only a threat on 1st and 2nd down.. why not pick up Ahmad Brooks in the supplamental draft and we'd forget all about #56[/quote]
Good Idea, do we have a first round Supp Pick even though we traded away our first rounder because they use the same order as the draft in April.
Although I doubt if many teams will take the risk of drafting in the first round and forfeit their first rounder in 07'. But this guy has first round talent.

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[/SIZE]I don't like it , as I've said before he can't and won't stay healthy .Even when he is he's not that good,and awful lot of very good defensive coachs have tried to work with him and failed .We should have moved up to get Hawk or Carpenter and bring in Harry Carson to coach them! [IMG]http://67.18.37.16/1277/149/emo/giants.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Have fun watching Lavar turn 5 yard dumps to the fullback into 30 yard gains.

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I cant believe all the hating i'm reading about lavar,lavar was a great player for us and he did nothing wrong to deserve this disrespect,he gave us back 4 million to get out,who else has done that?(not to mention ending a cowboys career,what other redskin has done that?)he wasnt the player he once was last yr,but so what,he loved the redskins but shit happens,we should wish him luck,(just not against us)art monk,gary sanders,charlie brown,mark mosely,they all went to other teams,great redskins,did you talk shit about them?just because they were let go by the skins instead of leaving on their own terms shouldnt matter.Just because a former player leaves the team shouldnt be an excuse to pile on him and say he sucks,you should show some respect for a former redskin

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This is fcuking awesome.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]Have fun watching Lavar turn 5 yard dumps to the fullback into 30 yard gains.[/quote]

Or running after "old" (over the hill QBs)and ending their careers.=BrunellLOL

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i think picking up lavar was a good move by the giants. lavar is still a really good LB , in my opinion.

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[quote=Giantone]Or running after "old" (over the hill QBs)and ending their careers.=BrunellLOL[/quote]

You think the current Lavar can catch Brunell?

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All I got to say about this is Lavar didnt want to stay, so just like 50/50, L. Coles and many others good riddance. Hes still a decent player, but not as fast as he was 2 seasons ago. I don't hate em, but hes not on my team anymore.
Definitely a huge pickup for the Giants who needed someone at that position. What number will he wear?

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[quote=htownskinfan]I cant believe all the hating i'm reading about lavar,lavar was a great player for us and he did nothing wrong to deserve this disrespect,he gave us back 4 million to get out,who else has done that?(not to mention ending a cowboys career,what other redskin has done that?)he wasnt the player he once was last yr,but so what,he loved the redskins but shit happens,we should wish him luck,(just not against us)art monk,gary sanders,charlie brown,mark mosely,they all went to other teams,great redskins,did you talk shit about them?just because they were let go by the skins instead of leaving on their own terms shouldnt matter.Just because a former player leaves the team shouldnt be an excuse to pile on him and say he sucks,you should show some respect for a former redskin[/quote]

I object to you putting Monk, Sanders, Brown and Mosely (NFL MVP) in the same sentence with Lavar. They are champions and that is their legacy. Lavar's legacy is based on what should have been. He didn't even win a division title let alone a Lombardi trophy. He signs the largest deal in team history and then publicly complains that he was cheated out of 6.5 million. Last year he didn't even record one sack and when the team is preparing for the playoff game he tries to make his situation the public focus. He had no problem cashing that check every week and making stupid Eastern motors commercials when the team was the laughing stock of the league. Then he goes out of his way to play for a division rival.

Why does he deserve respect, because he gave Aikman his 20th concussion during a loss?

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[QUOTE=fja711]Good Ridance. Some true Redskin! As much as he talked team, He always seemed to make statements at just the wrong time to disrupt things. All he really cared about was the money. Don't wine about him being gone. We'll be better without him. Let him get burned on the Gaints.[/QUOTE]

Some people have not matured to the point where they can respectfully disagree with an individual's opinion and not want to personally attack that individual. I think we all have a right to speak truthfully about Lavar's tenure here whether it's in flourishing terms or not. I encourage all who have an opinion about Lavar to tell it the way you see it. Because I have certainly lost all respect for him and his trust in a greedy, incompetent agent who almost wathced his client be overlooked in free agency due to the unrealistic money he thought Lavar was worth. Lavar didn't understand GW's plan when he played for us, so what makes some people think he will understand Al Saunders plays?

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I'm not hating on Arrington. I wish him the best and would even like to see him be as good as the hype surrounding him says he should be...except when he plays us...then I hope he is old, slow and clueless.

IMO he was never as good as his Press clippings. He wa good but he was supposed to be great. He put forth great effort when he was on the field and I respect him for that. His outbursts and drama became tiresome, he didn't want to be here any longer and he didn't fit Joe Gibbs mold for some reason. Gibbs is a winner, always has been so if he says Arrington didn't fit here anymore that is good enough for me.

Lavar, thanks for the memories, the great hits and the entertaining interviews. Thanks for the hopes and dreams you inspired(but only seldom lived up to...honestly) that kept us going through the leaner years. Times are better now. We've got something bigger than Arrington and it's called WINNING...I wish him luck. I wont look back...no need to.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]You think the current Lavar can catch Brunell?[/quote]LOL
You think the current Brunell can run???

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I hope Eli keeps throwing to Toomer so the Grim Reaper can abuse him some more.

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Kudos to LA for soaking the Giants for $49 mil. I hope the Postons worked his contract so he gets paid whether he's on the field, on the sidelines, or on a hospital bed. I like Lavar and thought he was a good teammate while he was here. He had issues with the management, but considering the circumstances, I really couldn't blame him. Time to move on. I do think he'd be way overpaid if he gets every penny of that contract, but I don't see that happening either. As an aside, I would be curious to see if Troy Aikman starts hating on the Giants now that LA is there.

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[quote=Giantone]LOL
You think the current Brunell can run???[/quote]

For a QB his age he's not too shabby. In fact I think he's a better runner than Manning, and he's nearly twice his age.

He had a few critical runs for first downs last year.

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We don't win the first Dallas game if Brunell doesn't scramble for about 25 yards on 3rd and a mile.

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[quote=LongTimeSkinsFan]Kudos to LA for soaking the Giants for $49 mil. I hope the Postons worked his contract so he gets paid whether he's on the field, on the sidelines, or on a hospital bed. I like Lavar and thought he was a good teammate while he was here. He had issues with the management, but considering the circumstances, I really couldn't blame him. Time to move on. I do think he'd be way overpaid if he gets every penny of that contract, but I don't see that happening either. As an aside, I would be curious to see if Troy Aikman starts hating on the Giants now that LA is there.[/quote]


The contract is highly detailed and jam-packed with incentives. The only accuracy to the reported seven-year, $49 million contract figure is that it indeed is a seven-year deal. Arrington's signing bonus is $5.25 million; there are no option bonuses. There are roster bonuses in future years but they can only be triggered if Arrington achieves certain honors such as Pro Bowls and MVP awards.

There are playing-time incentives in the deal, protecting the Giants in case Arrington's right knee does not hold up. It is the very definition of a make-good deal, giving Arrington the opportunity to get paid like a star only if he plays like one. The only way he can approach earning $49 million is if he hits every single incentive during the life of the contract. Without factoring in any incentives, the contract is worth about $3.7 million per year and rises to $5 million per year if he hits the more reasonable incentives.

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His contract is kinda like him as a player.

Sounds great on paper, doesn't live up to the hype.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]His contract is kinda like him as a player.

Sounds great on paper, doesn't live up to the hype.[/QUOTE]


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!:laughing2

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]I object to you putting Monk, Sanders, Brown and Mosely (NFL MVP) in the same sentence with Lavar. They are champions and that is their legacy. Lavar's legacy is based on what should have been. He didn't even win a division title let alone a Lombardi trophy. He signs the largest deal in team history and then publicly complains that he was cheated out of 6.5 million. Last year he didn't even record one sack and when the team is preparing for the playoff game he tries to make his situation the public focus. He had no problem cashing that check every week and making stupid Eastern motors commercials when the team was the laughing stock of the league. Then he goes out of his way to play for a division rival.

Why does he deserve respect, because he gave Aikman his 20th concussion during a loss?[/QUOTE]

I especially like the last sentence you wrote there. It really speaks volumes about how low this franchise had sunk since Gibbs left the first time. We used to be a franchise whose fans expected at the very least to make and advance to the playoffs every year. And then we started becoming satisfied with minor "moral" victories like our star LB knocking out an aging QB who had been through countless concussions already. And as you say, this was during a loss no less. Our expecations for the team had become so low that we suddenly didn't even care that our franchise players (such as LaVar) weren't making the team any better. So long as they gave us this one highlight reel.

Well, the best part (or one of the best parts) about Gibbs return is that he's reminded all us fans that our expectations should be high. That we shouldn't be satisfied with the occassional big play. No, we should demand and expect a winning team year in and year out.

I'm not saying LaVar is entirely to blame for the endless problems that surrounded his tenure here. And there's no need to badmouth him as leaves. But we shouldn't be satisfied when we look back on his tenure here by saying well he intercepted a pass against the Panthers, and he knocked out Troy Aikman. More was expected of him, and he should have provided more. He may do very well with the Giants, and maybe he'll help them win division titles, playoff games, and even more. But he didn't do that for us. And we're starting to win without him.

Ok, now I'm just rambling. Point is-good luck lavar but I think we'll be ok without him

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grim,alot of times i dont agree with some of your posts but you couldnt have nailed this one any better.this might be a good way to lock and close this thread and say goodbye to lavar(forever?)

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I was hoping he would leave the Division too....but there were reasons he did not play more than he did the last two years. Sometimes when players are so resentful of the team they left and want to come back and trash them, they put more pressure on themselves and can't perform like they want. We'll just hope that's how it is.

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I think LaVar will go to NY and have a very good year. He's had a full year to re-hab and reflect. New system, new perspective. People may say, well he didn't flourish here like he was supposed to. Who could with what, five defensive coordinators? And still he managed three Pro-Bowls?

Whether people take LaVar's side or the coaches side, he's still a tremendous talent. No denying that. And I for one, wouldn't bet on him having a mediocre year or getting burned on plays.

Bottom-line, we'll have to just wait until October on this one. If I were a betting man, I would put my money on LaVar to have a good season.

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[quote=Kope]Not good. But if anyone will know how to exploit him it will be Gibbs / Williams. I am worried about him and Pierce and our signals, though.[/quote]

Why worry? It wasn't like he paid attention to them the first time around. :)

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[quote=Big C]sorry but this shows how much bs lavar was spitting at us earlier about loving the redskins. if he loved the redskins he never would have gone to giants[/quote]

that is the most ridiculous thing to say about a professional athlete. The Redskins and LaVar agreed to part ways. He is out to prove people wrong, which any professional athlete will do. What better way to show Gibbs and Williams that to play them twice a year. The GMen have definately beefed up the D. they signed laVar, brandon short, McQuarters, Madison, and a safety. They have stepped up the D like we stepped up the O. Should be some great games in the NFC east, cant wait!!

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I think they got the whole signals thing cleared up by the 2nd meeting last year with NY.

Things will probably change more with Saunders on board, so I wouldn't worry about it that much.

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[quote=fja711]Good Ridance. Some true Redskin! As much as he talked team, He always seemed to make statements at just the wrong time to disrupt things. All he really cared about was the money. Don't wine about him being gone. We'll be better without him. Let him get burned on the Gaints.[/quote]

Since Art Monk played w/ the Jets a season or two before retiring, does that mean he wasn't a true Redskin. How about Rypien, Dexter Manley. Most of these guys ended their careers with other teams. Does that make them less loyal to the skins and their fans. If you lost your job with Wachovia over management issues, or they felt you could do your job anymore, Bank of America came calling with a good salary are you going to turn down a job because you are loyal to Wachovia, dont think so. This is just on a different level than any of us have ever dealt with. There is no loyalty in the NFL anymore. Its about winning, and cash. that is it.

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I'm just surprised that the Giants broke the bank for him.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm just surprised that the Giants broke the bank for him.[/quote]

The deal really isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Sounds like it's more like a deal that will average $3M-$5M per year depending on what incentive triggers he hits.

It's unlikely he'll hit enough to average $7M per.