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I applaud what Portis said.. He spoke not only what he was feeling but echoed the comments of probably 95% of NFL players (especially vets). 30 days of camp and 4 pre-season games is an outdated concept. With OTAs there is no need for that long of a camp and 4 games. As a fan I enjoy seeing my team play as many games as possible but I understand their feelings on it.

On another note, fan's hypocricy really come out when athletes speak what is honestly on their minds. We complan about the cookie cutter worthless answers that most players give but when someone who has always laid it out for the team makes an honest negative comment people rip him for it? I don't get it.

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[quote=Paintrain;203313]I applaud what Portis said.. He spoke not only what he was feeling but echoed the comments of probably 95% of NFL players (especially vets). 30 days of camp and 4 pre-season games is an outdated concept. With OTAs there is no need for that long of a camp and 4 games. As a fan I enjoy seeing my team play as many games as possible but I understand their feelings on it.

On another note, fan's hypocricy really come out when athletes speak what is honestly on their minds. We complan about the cookie cutter worthless answers that most players give but when someone who has always laid it out for the team makes an honest negative comment people rip him for it? I don't get it.[/quote]

Yeah there's really no way for them to win sometimes. If he just shrugged things off afterward people would be questioning why he doesn't seem to care.

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[quote=illdefined;203293]Clinton is a leader.

that play was an example to the whole team. knocking a blitzer's helmet off wasn't enough, instead you chase down a 1st string cornerback and punish him for trying to score on your team.

a "me-first" player would have been all too aware that its a preseason game and wouldn't have put in that kind of effort. he inspired the entire team on that play, i'd say even the coaches.

as a leader, i think he also feels strongly about pre-season games in general and with the brand new comissioner watching, he looked him straight in the eye and told what he thought was right for all players.

pre-season is about making the owners money, not about conditioning. They are showcases where veteran players risk injury and don't get paid and testbeds for new talent. it should just be the latter. you won't find one starter in favor of them.[/quote]

good post . . .I admit I have backed of my CP bashing stance. I still think the comment was unwarranted, but no is perfect. I still love CP26.

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it was an honest dumb comment. I would have been fine if we went off on the LEAGUE the entire time talking about 4 games being too much and rules there should be in the pre season to protect players or whatever his little heart desired. What everyone who has a problem, has a problem with is that he said he should have been taken out after the 8 yard gain. That is a stupid comment. He should play a series. If this happened at the end of the first he could yell and scream all he wanted but it was on the first series. It makes him look dumb. It makes our team look bad. Let him speak his mind but he could be more clear or throw in a bit of common sense. Starters play the first series or more in the preseason. It is just the way it is done. If he doesn't like it, he shouldn't be talking about the coaches needing to take him out. He should talk about the league ONLY. Saying the coaches should have taken him out after his first play is stupid. If that was the second series he might even have a point but it was the first series.

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[quote=Paintrain;203313]On another note, fan's hypocricy really come out when athletes speak what is honestly on their minds. We complan about the cookie cutter worthless answers that most players give but when someone who has always laid it out for the team makes an honest negative comment people rip him for it? I don't get it.[/quote]

Agreed, 100%. Portis is arguably the most talented, and definitely one of the most dedicated Washington Redskins. To hear supposed fans of this team call him an idiot or say he has no business speaking his mind irritates me.

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His comments didn't bother me at all. Of course he was frustrated and I understand. I just hope he's 100% healthy come week 1.

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[quote=Southpaw;203325]Agreed, 100%. Portis is arguably the most talented, and definitely one of the most dedicated Washington Redskins. To here supposed fans of this team call him an idiot or say he has no business speaking his mind irritates me.[/quote]
yeah i guess i am not a fan.

He basically said the coaches should have taken him out before the first series was over. If he meant what it sounded like he said. = dumb comment. No one is saying he isn't the face of the team, or the most dedicated. That makes no difference here. I don't understand why his standing on this team makes a difference on his comments. He said what he said. It was stupid. If anyother player said the same thing it would be stupid. Again, he should have been more clear. If he is putting this AT ALL on THIS coaching staff he messed up. Doesn't mean us supposed fans are going to get off this band wagon or his.

But everyone has their opinions no need to say people aren't fans here. For what it is worth, no offense taken here.:food-smil

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I've got to agree with The BSB on this one. It sucks when anyone gets hurt in the preseason or in practice, but Portis wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary when he hurt himself. It was still the first series, and he'd only touched the ball once or twice. I think most of us thought he'd be in for the second series too if he hadn't gotten hurt, especially since he's playing in a new offense.

I understand that it must be very hard for the players to go through all these preseason games and they probably should cut at least one of them, but that doesn't mean the chance of getting injured goes away. Portis said it himself last night, a player can get hurt at anytime, anywhere, and that's just part of the game.

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Well if the owners and coaches are not going to play the starters for at least a portion of the time during the preseason, why should I as a season ticket holder be required to pay full fare to watch this mess. I am forced into buying my preseason games every year and go because I pay for the ticket. Now you have a player saying he shouldn't be playing. Well I shouldn't be paying. While it might be a crime to potentially lose a starter for openning day it is just as much of a crime to charge me to watch people practicing.

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Good point CRT, I've always hated that so much.

as a season ticket holder, are you going to the first game? Because the guy who's tickets I was buying just screwed me over, and I seem to be SOL. I'm just pointing that out there.

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i agree with giving him the benefit of the doubt for now; he seems to be frustrated..

regarding the INT, it looked to me like Brandon Lloyd went inside when he should have gone out. i didn't look at any replays but usually when a ball is thrown that poorly, it's miscommunication. what do you guys think?

we'll be fine come the start of the season.

pre-season is lame... except i guess to get some of the potential team-makers playing

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;203332]He basically said the coaches should have taken him out before the first series was over. If he meant what it sounded like he said. = dumb comment.[/quote]

For the record; When Stephen Davis came back from his ankle injury a few years back, he ran the ball on Washington's first offensive play of the preseason, gained 12 yards, and came out of the game. LaDainian Tomlinson runs an average of two plays in the first preseason game of each season. It's not unusual for a team to pull the starting tailback after only a few plays, especially if they're the unquestioned starter.

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[quote=VTSkins897;203341]regarding the INT, it looked to me like Brandon Lloyd went inside when he should have gone out. i didn't look at any replays but usually when a ball is thrown that poorly, it's miscommunication. what do you guys think?[/quote]

In his post game comments, Brunell said he was attempting to throw the ball out of bounds, and said he was mad at himself for not putting enough on it to get it out.

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[quote=Southpaw;203343]For the record; When Stephen Davis came back from his ankle injury a few years back, he ran the ball on Washington's first offensive play of the preseason, gained 12 yards, and came out of the game. LaDainian Tomlinson runs an average of two plays in the first preseason game of each season. It's not unusual for a team to pull the starting tailback after only a few plays, especially if they're the unquestioned starter.[/quote]
There are many, many examples of the opposite. Gibbs wasn't working portis to the bone or anything. He ran a different formation on every play on that drive by the way. They were just trying different things out. Portis ran one play. Gibbs/Saunders didn't want portis to be overworked so he gave him a single run. Its not like they would know he would try and become a wrestler and body slam a defender to the ground.

Coaches don't have to do it. If they choose to take someone out that is fine but the coaches weren't wreckless here. They didn't give portis 8 runs or a first quarter. They didn't make a mistake. What happened, happened. Coaches can't be to be put at fault for this. It was a series and to put this on a coach is dumb. I don't even know if that is what he was doing but if it was it was dumb. My opinion, my homer, band wagon, supposed fan opinion.

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[QUOTE=CRT3;203334]Well if the owners and coaches are not going to play the starters for at least a portion of the time during the preseason, why should I as a season ticket holder be required to pay full fare to watch this mess. I am forced into buying my preseason games every year and go because I pay for the ticket. Now you have a player saying he shouldn't be playing. Well I shouldn't be paying. While it might be a crime to potentially lose a starter for openning day it is just as much of a crime to charge me to watch people practicing.[/QUOTE]

Your beef is with the owners, not the players. the problem is that as the offseason programs have changed, the model we use for the season has not. The preseason is just one long dress rehearsal, and to potentially lose someone as important as Portis in the first preseason game to accomodate fans makes no sense. What's the reward for Portis to be playing in the preseason? Portis has a point, he has nothing to prove, and that time could go to a rookie who is fighting to make the team. The rooks can't play with the vets on the field.

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A single drive. If the same thing happened to brunell and he said this i seriously think the opinions would be far different. They weren't appeasing the tens of thousands of redskin fans in cinci, they were doing what they felt was best for the team.

Rudi johnson ran it 3 times and stayed in 3 series under real pressure and hard tackles. I wonder what action the league should take against our old d-cordinator.


All i am saying is that portis wasn't put in a position that was out of the ordinary.

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I guess my beef is with the owners, but Portis should really shut up and understand that he is not above everyone else. My point is that if he is not going to play then why should I be forced into payinng full fare.

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[quote=CRT3;203355]I guess my beef is with the owners, but Portis should really shut up and understand that he is not above everyone else. My point is that if he is not going to play then why should I be forced into payinng full fare.[/quote]
my cousin asked me if i wanted to go to the jets game next week. So i was like hell yeah. He goes, oh no, i can't use my tickets do you want to buy them, $75 each. I laughed real hard. I think the owners should lower prices for pre-season games. They won't though because they just package them together with the other tickets. Its sad.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;203354]A single drive. If the same thing happened to brunell and he said this i seriously think the opinions would be far different. They weren't appeasing the tens of thousand redskin fans in cinci, they were doing what they felt was best for the team.

Rudi johnson ran it 3 times and stayed in 3 series under real pressure and hard tackles. I wonder what action the league should take against our old d-cordinator.


All i am saying is that portis wasn't put in a position that was out of the ordinary.[/QUOTE]

I agree, BSB. Well put.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;203354]A single drive. If the same thing happened to brunell and he said this i seriously think the opinions would be far different. They weren't appeasing the tens of thousands of redskin fans in cinci, they were doing what they felt was best for the team.

Rudi johnson ran it 3 times and stayed in 3 series under real pressure and hard tackles. I wonder what action the league should take against our old d-cordinator.


All i am saying is that portis wasn't put in a position that was out of the ordinary.[/QUOTE]

Good point, and while it wasn't out of the ordinary it was unnecessary. Running backs take enough of a pounding in the regular season, adding meaningless time in the preseason just adds to it. Our star rb does not need to go a whole series in the first preseason game, the risk is just not worth the reward. The only reason the starters would play the first of four preseason games is to justify the high ticket prices.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;203348]Coaches don't have to do it. If they choose to take someone out that is fine but the coaches weren't wreckless here. They didn't give portis 8 runs or a first quarter. They didn't make a mistake. What happened, happened. Coaches can't be to be put at fault for this. It was a series and to put this on a coach is dumb. I don't even know if that is what he was doing but if it was it was dumb. My opinion, my homer, band wagon, supposed fan opinion.[/quote]

I agree that it's not the fault of the coaching staff. I was simply pointing out that Portis wasn't really out of line for speaking his mind, considering what had happened, and the fact that with starting tailbacks, it goes both ways. Some are pulled after a few plays, some play an entire quarter. I don't think he should be blasted for having a preference one way or the other.

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[QUOTE=CRT3;203355]I guess my beef is with the owners, but Portis should really shut up and understand that he is not above everyone else. My point is that if he is not going to play then why should I be forced into payinng full fare.[/QUOTE]

I agree CRT3, you shouldn't have to pay full price to see people trying out for the Skins. But I don't think Portis was putting himself above everyone else, I think he was speaking on behalf of all veterans and not just himself. Four preseason games are a bit much, especially considering all the offseason work these guys do nowadays.

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There's no RB controversy.

Portis wasn't even hurt *running*, he was hurt in a support role where he's always clearly excelled. its also the most dangerous role for him, because he's asked to hit guys bigger than him. and boy does he.

there was no need for him to be there. he's right. (no need for Rudi Johnson to be either, aside from record home crowd attendance?). Portis deserves his opinion because of what he does on the field (and off frankly).

as a side note, Brandon Lloyd, spectacular catch aside - everyone knows you do that already- nice sideline pattern straight to the bench right after the interception. way to "stay healthy". is that what we should've expected out of Portis?

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CP and the other starters needed to be in that game for at least 1 series so they can slowly work their way into live game speed and shake off the rust so I have no problem with him being in there. What I do have a problem with is CP losing his situational awareness and trying to lay-out a guy in a game that does not count. If the Bengals get a TD or not it did not matter but CP had to be the tough guy, I hope this injury does not bother him all season.

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[QUOTE=irish;203371]CP and the other starters needed to be in that game for at least 1 series so they can slowly work their way into live game speed and shake off the rust so I have no problem with him being in there. [b]What I do have a problem with is CP losing his situational awareness and trying to lay-out a guy in a game that does not count. If the Bengals get a TD or not it did not matter but CP had to be the tough guy[/b], I hope this injury does not bother him all season.[/QUOTE]
Are you actually ripping him for playing hard? In the heat of battle a competitor is supposed to think, hmm, this is a pre-season game maybe I'll just let a guy score on my team.. Are you kidding?

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As has been said here already, he was just frustrated. That's all. It's not unlike when half the people on this site start saying cut this guy, trade that guy, should have kept Ramsey, Gibbs is done, we need a GM, blah blah blah after any loss or even any bad play. You can't put too much stock in it really.

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[QUOTE=irish;203371]CP and the other starters needed to be in that game for at least 1 series so they can slowly work their way into live game speed and shake off the rust so I have no problem with him being in there. What I do have a problem with is CP losing his situational awareness and trying to lay-out a guy in a game that does not count. If the Bengals get a TD or not it did not matter but CP had to be the tough guy, I hope this injury does not bother him all season.[/QUOTE]

Huh? So go full speed, only don't play hard? That's not football. The lights are on, if u hit the field the coaches want your full effort and the fans deserve it. That said, no reason for Portis to even dress in the first preseason game. The plays they run are not going to be the ones they run in the regular season.

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portis needed to be out there just as much as moss,lloyd,brunnell and every other starter did!they have to get used to taking a pounding the next 5 months,and the only way you can do that is by playing!i have seen the skins in this situation before with joe gibbs running the show,and just like all those other times somebody is gonna have to step it up,and do his best to be as productive as portis if that is possible!i would not be surprised to see the skins pick up a veteran rb to keep until portis can play either.gibbs knows what he is doing,i think that being a hall of fame coach and 3 time superbowl winner earns you that does'nt it????

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All controversy about comments aside, that was a GREAT hit by Portis. I was cheering when he did it and then everything went south from there.

I just wish he hadn't tried to be Sean Taylor.

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CP has never said or done anything that rubbed me the wrong way EXCEPT this. Even if he was frustrated he had no business throwing Mr Gibbs under the bus like that. Of course he should play the preseason game. Not the whole game or even the first quarter, but a few series is not too much to ask.

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I'm not disappointed in Portis one iota. He said what he said. It neither damaged his standing with teammates nor the staff, in my opinion.

You have to take the good with the bad. We can't expect Portis to be very outspoken and positive about the Skins one minute and not ever show his frustration the next. He was being interviewed in the heat of the moment. Some of the standards we hold athletes to are justified and others are just plain ridiculous.

As far as Gibbs not needing to apologize to Clinton, you guys are right he shouldn't have to but he did. I think he did so because that's how he handles things. That's his way of maintaining peace and control of his locker room. Before anything becomes public spectable Gibbs will nip it in the bud. He knows how to down play things to the media, yet be very intense and confrontational with his players in private. He and Clinton we're talking on the sidelines afterward, and probably have a few words since.

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Basically we are very thin at a position that was full before the preseason. If I am correct we also lost Kerry Carter for the SEASON in this game...Betts is banged up dont know if i wanna rely on Rock. Lumsdon(SP) is hurt.. damn who do we have. and any updates on Portis. i wouldnt care if he plays again in the preseason but how sure are we he will be available for the season opener especially the next game wk 2 would definitely need him.

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portis updates


KFFL Breaking News
Portis injury update



Ryan O'Halloran, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins RB Clinton
Portis (shoulder) may not miss the rest of the preseason, but head coach Joe Gibbs said, "It's going to be a while before he'll play." X-rays were negative but an MRI revealed a shoulder subluxation, a temporary and partial separation caused when the ball of the upper arm slips out of the socket.

"Let's get rid of some of these preseason games," said Portis. Redskins' director of sports medicine Bubba Tyer said it will be a couple days before the team knows how long Portis will be out. Portis remained disappointed. "But even if it's not serious, to be nicked going into Week 1, how often do you think defensive coordinators are going to blitz me?" he said.
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ALSO THERE IS THIS

[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14336488/]Portis has MRI on dislocated shoulder - NFL - MSNBC.com[/url]



We will know a lot more in 15 minutes when gibbs gives the presser.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;203083]What do you guys make of Portis's postgame comments?

He was probably just frustrated over the situation, but I'm sure his comment about being injured in a game he had no business playing in will rub some fans the wrong way.[/QUOTE]


Portis's comments probably reflect the feelings of many players as well as fans around the league, as well as the mindset of todays player. Some of us remember when we played six pre-season games and didn't get paid either. The regular season was shorter,( twelve games) but that would be virtually hard to stomach now with players complaining so much about four games. Maybe key players (as they are refered) shouldn't play in pre-season at all.

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I don't hold it against him in the least.

The guy had a 1500+ yard season last year, he gives everything he's got on every play, and I'm sure both he and the coaches know that. He has nothing to prove in preseason, and like Offiss said, RBs hardly need any practice at all in the preseason to get back into form.

Besides, I remember him saying last year that late in the season the thing that hurts him the most is his shoulders. If I were him I'd be pissed too - risking my health and regular season for a meaningless preseason game. I think he showed character in that he went out and played when the coaches told him to, and he played with all his heart at 100% - not some half-assed effort like some people here seem to be suggesting.

If it's anyone's fault it's the coaches - but I think they've learned their lesson. We won't CP the rest of the preseason.

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He wasnt injured running he went out of his way on his own and got hurt. Hes not paid to tackle in preseason is all Im saying.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;203696]He wasnt injured running he went out of his way on his own and got hurt. Hes not paid to tackle in preseason is all Im saying.[/quote]

I really admire Portis and hate to say this but there is playing 100% and playing stupid. It was absulutely fantastic for Clinton to hustle around to make that tackle, something he has done more than a couple times in turnover situations to save a TD, but there really wasn't any need for the one-armed, crazy, bodyslam tackle. I know he is tough and wants to make his presence felt, but he has nobody to blame for his injury but himself. Why not push him out of bounds? Why not drag him down? He isn't a LB.

I would imagine the coaches are a little hot that he made the tackle that way. He shoulders him out of bounds and everybody is still happy.

I know that lots of you will disagree and will equate his ill-advised, one-armed bodyslam with "giving 100%", but I defy you to tell me honestly that the team wouldn't be better off right now if he had just left the crazy, monster tackles to the defense.

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[quote=m240guy;203727]I really admire Portis and hate to say this but there is playing 100% and playing stupid. It was absulutely fantastic for Clinton to hustle around to make that tackle, something he has done more than a couple times in turnover situations to save a TD, but there really wasn't any need for the one-armed, crazy, bodyslam tackle. I know he is tough and wants to make his presence felt, but he has nobody to blame for his injury but himself. Why not push him out of bounds? Why not drag him down? He isn't a LB.

I would imagine the coaches are a little hot that he made the tackle that way. He shoulders him out of bounds and everybody is still happy.

I know that lots of you will disagree and will equate his ill-advised, one-armed bodyslam with "giving 100%", but I defy you to tell me honestly that the team wouldn't be better off right now if he had just left the crazy, monster tackles to the defense.[/quote]

I understand what you are saying, but I disagree. You can't ask any play to go out on the field and give less than 100%, that is begging for injury too. I know it would have been easier for CP to watch the play go for a TD, but they guy has one speed...full out. I don't fault him, or the coaches. It's football, guys get hurt. Laying blame after the fact is about a productive as trying to answer question 3. I'd rather have a CP giving 100% on every play than have a Randy Moss type who decides to play hard when he wants to.

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Portis said he was trying to hit him square, and he moved at the last minute and had to arm tackle. he's well aware of his shoulders, he showed a scar on the other one at the press conference. he doesnt have to prove anything to anybody, much less show off to an away crowd.

jeez, aside from running record yards, blowing up blitzers way bigger than him, throwing TDs and finding new costumes for the locker room and the fans, he also has to work on his TACKLING technique? what's next, field goals?

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[QUOTE=illdefined;203736]Portis said he was trying to hit him square, and he moved at the last minute and had to arm tackle. he's well aware of his shoulders, he showed a scar on the other one at the press conference. he doesnt have to prove anything to anybody, much less show off to an away crowd.

jeez, aside from running record yards, blowing up blitzers way bigger than him, throwing TDs and finding new costumes for the locker room and the fans, he also has to work on his TACKLING technique? what's next, field goals?[/QUOTE]

The hang time on Portis' punts leave a lot to be desired