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no kidding, I was screaming at the TV for portis to cut left ... oh well. Lloyd coulda helped by blocking his man outta bounds ... a good block though nonetheless.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;219791]no kidding, I was screaming at the TV for portis to cut left ... oh well. Lloyd coulda helped by blocking his man outta bounds ... a good block though nonetheless.[/quote]

After the game he said he was protecting his left shoulder by not cutting back.

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Gotta' be Brunell, NFL record=game MVP

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No way I can vote for the offensive line with all the damn holding calls. And I think Saunders was game-planning to get the ball out of Brunell's hands with short passes ASAP. I don't think he's confident that the line can protect Brunell well enough for 7-step drops and to get off long bombs. The line didn't let up a sack this weekend, but that was more because Brunell got rid of the ball so quickly. Once I see the line holding up on blitzes and giving Brunell enough time to go deep to Moss, then I'll applaud them.

The run blocking was stellar though. Props for that.

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It's Brunell. Portis and Betts both had great games, Brunells accuracy was the key.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;219837]It's Brunell. Portis and Betts both had great games, Brunells accuracy was the key.[/QUOTE]
Accuracy? 95% of his passes were either shuffle passes or 5 yard screens. Those are gimmes, especially against a D like Houston.

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What exactly is a shuffle pass??

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[IMG]http://www.coco-palms.com/photos/brochure/shuffleboard.jpg[/IMG]

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MVP is Brunell. Whether they are 5 yard passes, screens, or bombs, 22 in a row is nothing to scoff at. He needed to step up against a weak team, and did so. If the option would have been Portis/Betts, I would have voted for them as a whole. 32 carries, 210 yards rushing and 3 of our 4 TDs.

OLine had too many breakdowns to be considered MVP, even with a weak Texan pass rush.

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[quote=Mattyk72;219847]What exactly is a shuffle pass??[/quote]

[url=http://snapculture.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_snapculture_archive.html#n110589467348481232]snap culture: January 2005[/url]

Take your pick...shuffle or shovel. I usually let Google be the tiebreaker, so I'll go with shovel.

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I've always referred to it as a shovel pass, never heard of shuffle until today.

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I've always thought it was shuffle pass.

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i always thought it was "Pash Rush"

different commentators say different things. straight arm/stiff arm etc.

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[quote=Mattyk72;219863]I've always referred to it as a shovel pass, never heard of shuffle until today.[/quote]

Sounds like it's time for a poll...winner takes all!

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Portis adds a dimension to this offense that makes it much more difficult to defend so he gets my vote for his 100+yard performance. Brunell did a fantastic job too, and the O-line held it's own albeit for a pretty short passing game, not to mention all the penalties. With Portis healthy and the receivers coming into their own, if the O-line can hold their blocks and play more disciplined, this offense will improve more and more each week. How do you defend against a good running game, the dink and dunks that could go 30+ yards, and then you know it's just a matter of time before we start taking shots down the field when teams start to put 7-8 in the box.

I think it's Coach Janky Spanky time this Thursday.

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[B]SHUFFLE [/B]pass doesn't even make sense.

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[quote=FRPLG;219894][B]SHUFFLE [/B]pass doesn't even make sense.[/quote]

You are correct:

[B]shovel pass[/B]

One entry found for [B]shovel pass[/B]. Main Entry: [B]shovel pass[/B]
Function: [I]noun[/I]
[B]:[/B] a short underhand pass (as in football)

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On the topic of the shovel pass. I remember they ran that play in Goalline against the Giants at Fedex in 2004 with Ramsey at QB. Later when Goerge Micheal or someone was congratulating Gibbs he said, "That's a Coach Breaux play." Granted, Saunders must have a shovel pass in his vaunted playbook as well. At 700 pages what could he not have?

That and the use of alot of bunch-type formations yesterday may be an indication that Saunders is open to input from the other coaches. Bunch formations are considered Gibbs' great contribution to the passing portion of this style offense. It makes the reads and progressions alot easier because the QB doesn't have to see the whole field.

Of course I could be grasping at straws. Saunders may be an absolute autocrat for all I know.

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isn't the WR screen a big holdover from last year's Gibbs coordinated offense?

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[quote=illdefined;219919]isn't the WR screen a big holdover from last year's Gibbs coordinated offense?[/quote]

Yes, and before Gibbs, Spurrier. There weren't a whole lot of WR screens being run "up here" before Spurrier revived the concept for Rod Gardner. Now they're as common as dirt.

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Look around the league, the WR screen is all of a sudden a very common play.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;219848][IMG]http://www.coco-palms.com/photos/brochure/shuffleboard.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


I live in SW Florida, and I can positvely identify this pic as a "Shuffle Pass" . More specifically, it's a "68 chip" shuffle pass (that's Chip with the Shuffle stick)

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I voted O-Line, because they were so horrible the first two weeks but pretty great in this one. Taking nothing away from Portis, Brunnell or Betts who all had stellar games but the fact is they dont get what they got without Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas and Jansen protecting Brunnell and blowing huge holes in that defense for the backs and recievers to run through.

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Portis. Not only did he kick start the offense and score twice, him being in there gave Brunell some confidence back.

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Portis.

In addition to run and catch production, he is a major factor in pass protection. Some of the OL improvement has to be credited to #26.

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portis brought back a winning swagger to the team but it would be possible if the line didn't block anyone

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if portis would have dominated and betts would have struggled then i would vote portis but seeing as how both of them dominated the o-line has to be given the credit. on almost every run the tv announcers were pointing out great blocks from the o-line. penalties happen all the time , sometimes they get called ,sometimes they don't. portis also had a knucklehead penalty that cost the team 15 yards.

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portis, portis, and portis... and a little betts, but mainly portis.

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its amazing how much one player changes a teams outlook. is anyone still bitching about the portis trade now?

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[quote=dmek25;220282]its amazing how much one player changes a teams outlook. is anyone still bitching about the portis trade now?[/quote]

honestly, for champ's rep around the league, the local fans weren't very upset to see him go. I just remember him conveniently "tripping" every time i saw someone get a step on him.

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Wrong it is all the oline, for protecting Brunell, and making holes for betts and portis. You guys think our running or short passing would be that great otherwise?

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[quote=dmek25;220282]its amazing how much one player changes a teams outlook. is anyone still bitching about the portis trade now?[/quote]

Portis is a system back. Bring back Champ!

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we do need a good CB and we have betts....

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[quote=hooskins;220285]Wrong it is all the oline, for protecting Brunell, and making holes for betts and portis. You guys think our running or short passing would be that great otherwise?[/quote]

well, in that case, the texan's D line gets my vote for Redskin week 3 MVP. They couldn't be much worse.