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[quote=skinsfan69;245393]I think it's very possible that we could have the number one pick. The schedule is pretty tough down the stretch. We have TB, Philly, Giants, Carolina, Falcons, Saints and Rams. Those games could EASILY all be losses. We are looking at 3-13 or 4-12.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I agree with you. With a new QB and nothing to play for. We could easily lose the rest. At least we beat Dallas.

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Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
Fred Bennett, CB, South Carolina
Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

in that order. I'd like to think that Washington won't pick in the first 10 this year, but things aren't looking good.

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Chris Long(Howie's son)-Virginia

lol...I wish, this kid is a beast.

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brohm might not come out till next year... instead of competing with quinn and troy smith, he'll only have to worry about henne.

the only WR even worth considering (for us) would be calvin johnson because he' SUCH a freak athlete with great work ethic etc... tactically it'd be pretty stupid, but the talent would make it pretty tempting.

I'm not super impressed with the CBs this year, though there are a couple good ones (and yeah, i really like josh wilson, but he's not even projected in the first round right now, much less the top five-ten picks. leon hall is the only CB in that range right now.). Clements would easily beat out the impact we'd get from any CB we could draft, though it'd come at a steep price.

for us, i think our best move would be adam gaines (DE). he's a fairly safe pick, a top five talent, and he'd address a huge need (and add youth to an old starting DL). If you could trade down and still come away with moses (DE), posluszny (LB), or okoye (DT) that wouldn't be terrible, especially if you could end up with a guy like ben grubbs (OG) or a decent CB/DE.

dockery isn't going to get a big contract, so he should be back. last year a late 2nd rounder (like what we had) could have gotten us a day one starter an upgrade there, but we went for a LB that holdman's been able to keep on the bench for a full 10 games instead :/. cheap FA OGs aren't hard to find though.

and rogers is NOT the best tackling CB in the league. champ bailey is better, spring is better, etc etc. he IS a great tackling CB, but there are better tacklers and much much better cover guys.

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[quote=SkinsLove24/7;244903]Why not use a first round pick to draft a cornerback. That is a problem that needs to be addressed with Springs only with a few more years and Rogers struggling recently. Josh Wilson of Maryland will be a stud in the NFL and another quality pick out of Maryland in the last few years.[/quote]
thats what i am talking about. JOsh Wilson is a mother f...ing monster.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;244912]Rogers hasn't been struggling. Seriously. It's like people have that opinion, then they read it and have it themselves. REALLY, what causes anyone to think he's struggling. I think the cushion he gives is due to playcalling, not on his own.[/quote]
regardless we will need a quality CB to take over for springs when he leaves.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;245130]Big C -- I agree, with a top 5 pick this year you can trade down and get very nice value, but Im not sold we'll have a top 5 pick this year yet. We wont have a good pick, but doubt we get top 5.

As far as replacing Dockery, this guy has had a realtively good season and has shown solid progression each year in the league. As fans we constantly complain about the FOs lack of patience and letting talent develop, Dockery is developing. Wanna toss an O-linemen under the bus, it's time for a new RT. Jon "Turnstyle" Jansen isn't cutting it anymore.

I still think we fix our defense up. A lot of it depends on what FAs (You know we're going after some) and picks we have. I'd like to see another corner myself. I think Rogers will be just fine, Corner is a tough position, especially in Williams defense, but Springs isnt getting any younger and I'd like to have a guy who knows the system is Springs goes down or retired in the next couple years (that said, Nate Clements will probably be a Washington Redskin, thus eliminating this need, from a 1st round pick standpoint). I think LB will be fine with Washington, Marshall, and McIntosh. D line could use some depth. O line could use some depth.

For the most part -- leave this team alone! Hold on to Vincent and Priolou (sp?) make minor changes where needed, but let these guys gel! No big changes. Work on depth instead of starters.[/QUOTE]

Spot on. Trade down, and don't F with the young players, just because there is some old FA who played better last year -- I hate that.

As for the team, I'd focus on a single problem at a time. Every year we try to fix all the problems, all at once -- and then we're a lock for the superbowl ... oh brother, it just doesn't work like that.

I'd start a three year plan. The goal of the plan would be to reach the playoffs in three years, and the superbowl in five. I'd spend the first year improving defense, the second year I'd improve rushing offense, and the third year I'd improve passing offense. Hopefully, by the third year, the team is top 10 offensively and defensively.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;245482]regardless we will need a quality CB to take over for springs when he leaves.[/quote]

That's why I want Clements in FA and move Springs to safety.

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we need to make one of those trades like we did with saints when they got ricky williams...think we got like five picks including a future 1st rounder

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;245798]That's why I want Clements in FA and move Springs to safety.[/quote]

springs is the best CB we have, and clements-springs-prioleau would still be better than clements-rogers-springs (imo).

and i'm down with getting more OL depth... we do have an option in todd wade on our roster, but he's not really a starting tackle, and even with jansen playing poorly, i'm not sure he'd be better. we do need a starter on the OL to either keep in reserve or possibly try as a starter at RT or LG, but that'd mean two expensive FA signings (two of CB, DE, OL + draft the other)...

i mean, during the offseason we were talking about CB and OL depth, mid-grade FA LBs, P, K, and DEs... at least WR is taken care of :/.

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I know its too early, but this mock draft might give everyone an opprotunity to scope out some of these players before the college season is over.

[URL="http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2007/mockdraft/1.html"]SportingNews.com - Pro Football War Room[/URL]

In case this link doesn't work I've summerazied below:

1.) Joe Thomas T Wisconsin
2.) Brian Brohm QB Louisville
3.) Brady Quinn QB ND
4.) Frank Okam DT Texas
5.) Ted Ginn Jr WR OSU
6.) Justin Blalock G Texas
7.) Daymeion Hughes CB Cal
8.) Alan Branch DT Michigan
9.) Calvin Johnson WR GT
10.) Baraka Atkins DT Miami (Fla.)-----SN's skins prediction
11.) Zach Miller TE ASU
12.) Leon Hall CB Michigan
13.) Gaines Adams DE Clemson
14.) Kenny Irons RB Auburn
15.) Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St.
16.) Quentin Moss DE Georgia
17.) LaRon Landry S LSU
18.) Adrian Peterson RB Okla.
19.) Josh Beekman G Boston College
20.) Greg Olsen TE Miami (FL)
21.) Paul Posluszny OLB PSU
22.) Marcus Thomas DT Florida
23.) Brandon Meriweather S Miami(FL)
24.) Tony Franklin CB UVA
25.) Tanard Jackson CB Syracuse
26.) Patrick Willis ILB Ole Miss
27.) Aaron Rouse S VT
28.) Zackary Bowmam CB Neb.
29.) Tala Esera G Hawaii
30.) Victor Abiamiri DE ND
31.) Ryan Haris T ND
32.) Aaron Ross CB Texas

*The selections were based on the current standings

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pitcock and okoye are better than atkins, so is gaines (DE)... all their DT ranking seems screwy :(.

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NFLDraftScout top 50, not including underclassmen (their listed in 2008 and 2009 classes and not integrated). this list will change a lot after combines etc, and is NOT a mock draft, just a talent rating.

1 Quinn, Brady (QB), Notre Dame 1 6-4 228 4.70
2 Thomas, Joe (OT), Wisconsin 1 6-7 310 5.06
3 Adams, Gaines (DE), Clemson 1 6-5 260 4.72
4 Hall, Leon (CB), Michigan 1 5-11 195 4.48
5 Pitcock, Quinn (DT), Ohio State 1 6-3 298 4.95
6 Brown, Levi (OT), Penn State 1 6-4 325 5.28
7 Landry, LaRon (FS), LSU 1 6-2 205 4.48
8 Posluszny, Paul (OLB), Penn State 1 6-2 230 4.58
9 Moses, Quentin (DE), Georgia 1 6-5 252 4.75
10 Blalock, Justin (OT), Texas 1 6-4 330 5.25
11 Willis, Patrick (ILB), Mississippi 1 6-2 232 4.60
12 Samardzija, Jeff (WR), Notre Dame 1 6-5 216 4.50
13 Woodley, LaMarr (DE), Michigan 1 6-1 270 4.68
14 Okoye, Amobi (DT), Louisville 1 6-2 315 5.03
15 Zbikowski, Tom (SS), Notre Dame 1 5-11 214 4.48
16 McCauley, Marcus (CB), Fresno State 1 6-1 198 4.43
17 Carriker, Adam (DE), Nebraska 1 6-6 286 4.86
18 Griffin, Michael (SS), Texas 1 6-1 205 4.48
19 Leonard, Brian (FB), Rutgers 1-2 6-1 238 4.56
20 Grubbs, Ben (OG), Auburn 1-2 6-3 315 5.18
21 Stanton, Drew (QB), Michigan State 1-2 6-3 230 4.79
22 Staley, Joe (OT), Central Michigan 1-2 6-6 305 4.75
23 Irons, Kenny (RB), Auburn 1-2 5-11 202 4.48
24 Smith, Troy (QB), Ohio State 1-2 6-1 212 4.60
25 Hughes, Daymeion (CB), California 1-2 6-0 188 4.54
26 Everett, Earl (OLB), Florida 1-2 6-2 232 4.56
27 Harris, Ryan (OT), Notre Dame 1-2 6-5 295 5.12
28 Crowder, Tim (DE), Texas 1-2 6-3 270 4.76
29 Tyler, Tank (DT), North Carolina State 1-2 6-2 310 5.20
30 Allison, Aundrae (WR), East Carolina 2 6-0 190 4.42
31 Abiamiri, Victor (DE), Notre Dame 2 6-4 264 4.75
32 Brown, Tarell (CB), Texas 2 5-11 192 4.47
33 Beekman, Josh (OG), Boston College 2 6-2 318 5.39
34 Higgins, Johnnie Lee (WR), Texas-El Paso 2 6-0 184 4.41
35 Bowe, Dwayne (WR), LSU 2 6-2 220 4.52
36 Hunt, Tony (RB), Penn State 2 6-0 225 4.54
37 Rouse, Aaron (SS), Virginia Tech 2 6-4 225 4.42
38 Harrell, Justin (DT), Tennessee 2 6-4 305 5.09
39 Bennett, Fred (CB), South Carolina 2 6-2 190 4.45
40 Chandler, Scott (TE), Iowa 2 6-7 256 4.78
41 Spencer, Anthony (DE), Purdue 2 6-3 262 4.67
42 Blades, H.B. (ILB), Pittsburgh 2 5-11 240 4.69
43 Jackson, Tanard (CB), Syracuse 2 6-0 192 4.54
44 Shaw, Tim (OLB), Penn State 2 6-1 235 4.65
45 Thomas, Marcus (DT), Florida 2-3 6-3 290 4.96
46 Ross, Aaron (CB), Texas 2 6-0 192 4.46
47 Sears, Arron (OT), Tennessee 2 6-4 338 5.32
48 Caldwell, Andre (WR), Florida 2-3 6-1 198 4.43
49 Clowney, David (WR), Virginia Tech 2-3 6-1 180 4.32
50 Bush, Michael (RB), Louisville 2-3 6-2 248 4.62

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Tony Franklin as the number two CB in the draft?!

I have seen him play for two years now, and I don't think he is good enough for the first round. Seems like this is a poor CB draft.

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[quote=hooskins;247220]Tony Franklin as the number two CB in the draft?!

I have seen him play for two years now, and I don't think he is good enough for the first round. Seems like this is a poor CB draft.[/quote]

i think some of the talent eval on that mock is off. on NDS he's the 21st rated CB and a 5-6th round pick.

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[quote=That Guy;247221]i think some of the talent eval on that mock is off. on NDS he's the 21st rated CB and a 5-6th round pick.[/quote]

That seems to make alot more sense. I think whoever did this mock, just randomly put people he felt were good, onto a list.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;245482]regardless we will need a quality CB to take over for springs when he leaves.[/quote]Good point, right on. This question is for everyone.

Lets say for sake of arguement we bring in Nate Clements next year. What happens to Springs?

The three options:

1)We cut Springs, save the cap room and resign/sign a nickelback.

2)We keep Springs on board, demote Rogers and start Clements and Springs.

3)We keep Springs, demote him to the nickle role, and start Rogers along side Clements.

For me the choice is pretty obvious, but I want to hear what the warpath thinks.

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I say choice one, Rogers is improving, and cap space will be nice to help with the AA cut(hopefully)

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[quote=GTripp0012;247320]Good point, right on. This question is for everyone.

Lets say for sake of arguement we bring in Nate Clements next year. What happens to Springs?

The three options:

1)We cut Springs, save the cap room and resign/sign a nickelback.

2)We keep Springs on board, demote Rogers and start Clements and Springs.

3)We keep Springs, demote him to the nickle role, and start Rogers along side Clements.

For me the choice is pretty obvious, but I want to hear what the warpath thinks.[/quote]

cutting springs saves no cap room over keeping him, so that'd make no sense (and oh yeah, springs is still a true #1 CB). it's choice #2, cause rogers hasn't figured out how to play in the NFL yet, and he'd have plenty of snaps there. we could possibly move springs to safety as well.

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How about we draft defensive linemen so that we actually have a pass rush? Drafting DBs is the wrong approach the problem with the Redskins is that we have not had stud defensive linemen since the 1st Gibbs era. The only time I remember when we had two good DEs is when Dexter Manley and Charles Mann played. We are long overdue to finally build a decent defensive line, and start working on the O-line. In my mind the if the 2007 draft is all d-linemen, O-linemen, and maybe a linebacker or DB for depth. But the lines need to get rebuilt.

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they need to use their pick to draft the best dl or de available. AC was not the answer.

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rogers sucks right now, really badly, he's getting torched by second and third receivers, every team goes right at him knowing he doesnt have the speed, or aticipation to cover. We need CB depth, so clements would not be a bad idea, and with D-line, that is all we should draft, ALLL DLINE, ALLL DLINE.

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:doh:

No, he hasn't. Outside of Troy Williamson the first game of the season, who has been "torching" him? UGH, THIS is why I'm taking crazy pills.

The mob mentality sucks.

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you must be on more than crazy pills

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No, no. I'm asking for an answer. Who has been torching him? Maybe you're thinking of Kenny Wright who was good for at LEAST a TD every game he played in.

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Stallworth embaressed him just this weekend. He might not get burned deep as much cause he gives a 30 yard cushion, but he is still gets TORCHED. And tackling by a CB is not nearly as important as coverage. The safeties are the tacklers.

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Stollworth (I'm not even sure it was Rogers either) got behind him on one play. All the top CBs get burned, I'm talking who has CONSISTENTLY burned him in a game this year? Really, he's been running stride for stride with almost all WRs he's covered. He almost totally shut down TO, I don't know what people are asking of him.

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maybe they are asking for him to break up one pass this season, or make a good read on one ball? show some sort of feel for the position. I have very little confidence in him, I'd rather have wright in coverage, tacking is another issue.

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:doh: People want to bash him, but still really give no proof on why he is playing bad. The only bad game he really had was against Minnesota. Against EVERYONE else, he pretty much shut down the team's #1 receiver.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;247379]Stollworth (I'm not even sure it was Rogers either) got behind him on one play. All the top CBs get burned, I'm talking who has CONSISTENTLY burned him in a game this year? Really, he's been running stride for stride with almost all WRs he's covered. He almost totally shut down TO, I don't know what people are asking of him.[/quote]

I agree with TMC here on this one. Rogers has significantly improved this year in COVERAGE. That doesnt mean he can catch any better, he still sucks ass at that. But he has been pretty much in stride with most recievers. The beginning of the year Wright got burned every play, bc Rogers was covering well.

Seriously, as I mentioned in the stupid Bailey/Portis trade thread, people are looking for blame, where there isn't any.

The problem with our D? No pressure from the front 7. If you can't get a good pass rush from those, ANY team in the NFL can score on you, period. Problem two, is the safeties, mainly AA, who can't cover worth shit. I still haven't given up on Taylor, even though he looked horrible last game.

I still feel if our pass rush improves(like it did towards the end of the dallas game) our entire D improves by alot.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;247383]maybe they are asking for him to break up one pass this season, or make a good read on one ball? show some sort of feel for the position. I have very little confidence in him, I'd rather have wright in coverage, tacking is another issue.[/quote]

WHO ELSE WAS ROGERS BURNED BY? lol answer that.

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Yeah, I'm not too into rogers, but a pass rush would definitely help him out a lot, there is a lot of pressure on him in coverage, which magnifies his weaknesses. Even champ bailey got burned against dallas several times for game changing plays back in the day, when our pass rush was miserable.

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Look I am not saying Rogers is a god by any means. He needs to work on catching, making reads for picks, and giving a bit less cushion(that was mainly in last game though). But beside that he can cover much better than most people are saying.

I personally think he has improved alot since last year. But I guess that is just me, everyone here wants a scapegoat.

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If anything, I'd even go so far as to say that Rogers is our best corner. Springs is getting beat even more than Rogers. Even so, neither of them are doing TOO poorly, and just like hooskins mentioned above, opposing QBs have HOURS to stand in the pocket and throw.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;247392]If anything, I'd even go so far as to say that Rogers is our best corner. Springs is getting beat even more than Rogers. Even so, neither of them are doing TOO poorly, and just like hooskins mentioned above, opposing QBs have HOURS to stand in the pocket and throw.[/quote]

Hopefully in the coming weeks, Springs will get back up with the game, and back to his normal self.

I hope this isnt his peak coverage ability, because it is nothing like last year's.

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He said he isn't even close to 100% which gives me hope he'll play a little better. He hasn't been playing poorly by any means, but he's definitely not his old self.

[IMG]http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5811/ronaldgetsshowka8zf2.gif[/IMG]

Saw this on that "other" site but it made me laugh my ass off.

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Don't you think we need more depth at CB though???

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I think we need another starting CB period, but not anyone to replace Carlos. I'm thinking we sign Clements in the offseason, then move Springs to safety/nickel.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;247441]I think we need another starting CB period, but not anyone to replace Carlos. I'm thinking we sign Clements in the offseason, then move Springs to safety/nickel.[/quote]

I agree with that too, Springs is aging, and we should start thinking about his replacement soon. Moving him to Nickel wouldnt be a bad idea.

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It wouldn't "demote" him so much, just give another great coverage guy in the secondary.