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[quote=Mattyk72;260612]Alex Smith is coming on, but he's not a Super Bowl caliber QB just yet.[/quote]
I agree. I hope the Alex I saw in the 4th QTR is the "real" Alex. He had been regressing lately before that so I hope this game is the end of that trend.

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[quote=Mattyk72;260571]He's not the sharpest tool in the shed but I agree he's a promising young back.[/quote]

Give the guy some credit. He has over come a lot in his life. There are not too many guys walking around with a college degree that have a learning disability. Plus he over came two major knee injuries. I have mad respect for Frank Gore.

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[quote=skinsfan69;260620]Give the guy some credit. He has over come a lot in his life. There are not too many guys walking around with a college degree that have a learning disability. Plus he over came two major knee injuries. I have mad respect for Frank Gore.[/quote]
would gore have that degree if he wasnt a football player? i kind of doubt it

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[quote=skinsfan69;260620]Give the guy some credit. He has over come a lot in his life. There are not too many guys walking around with a college degree that have a learning disability. Plus he over came two major knee injuries. I have mad respect for Frank Gore.[/quote]
He has over came a lot. I mean he tore both ACL's, and he is this good? Holy christ. Now I really don't have to worry about him tearing them again. Gotta love "Da U" backs. Except Edge.

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[quote=GTripp0012;253069]Didn't you say that Andrew Walter was 10 times better than Mark Brunell, just one week after saying Mark Brunell played like a pro bowler vs Dallas?

I think thats the most absured thing I've ever read on this site.

As far as Frank Gore...I don't know if I'd pull the Emmitt comparision just yet. Emmitt will be remembered predomanantly for his longevity, and Gore is a second year player. He's definately justified his 65th overall pick status though.[/quote]


So Brunell pulling one game out of his ass makes him better than Andrew Walter?

Great analysis on Emmitt Smith. I made the same points 2 months ago except I pointed out that it is idiotic to compare Gore to Smith. Which it is.

Because of Gore's major injuries, his career numbers will not even approach Smith. He is great right now, in fact he just put up 25 in my fantasy semi-final but it is so stupid on many levels to compare him to the greatest rusher in history.

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[quote=dmek25;260627]would gore have that degree if he wasnt a football player? i kind of doubt it[/quote]

I don't know. But I'm sure they didn't just hand it to him. I'm sure he had to do some work.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;260658]So Brunell pulling one game out of his ass makes him better than Andrew Walter?

Great analysis on Emmitt Smith. I made the same points 2 months ago except I pointed out that it is idiotic to compare Gore to Smith. Which it is.

Because of Gore's major injuries, his career numbers will not even approach Smith. He is great right now, in fact he just put up 25 in my fantasy semi-final but it is so stupid on many levels to compare him to the greatest rusher in history.[/quote]
When Gore is compared to Smith people are atlking about ability, which you judge from watching the player play. No one is comparing their freaking careers right now.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;253039]Hey guys, Im a Skins fan, but Im tellin ya, in 2 years they will be contenders for the Super Bowl if they pick up the defensive help they need.[/QUOTE]


I agree. They're closer than one would think. Alex Smith looks like the real deal. I can see them being next year's team that comes out of nowhere to be a playoff contender.

Frank Gore is another example of how you don't have to break the bank for a superstar running back to succeed in this league. Sure, superstars like LT would be nice, but sometimes an Earnest Byner will do just fine.

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[quote=Beemnseven;260718]
Sure, superstars like LT would be nice, but sometimes an Earnest Byner will do just fine.[/quote]
this has got to be one of the alltime best quotes

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LT is a lot faster than Gore, cuts quicker, and is better goalline back and much better at ball security. Gore is a much more powerful runner though and picks up the blitz better. Both catch the ball out of the backfield extremely well.

LT is the better back but I don't think it is by as big a margin as most think.

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[quote=Rexi;261309]LT is a lot faster than Gore, cuts quicker, and is better goalline back and much better at ball security. Gore is a much more powerful runner though and picks up the blitz better. Both catch the ball out of the backfield extremely well.

LT is the better back but I don't think it is by as big a margin as most think.[/quote]


You have officially documented that you are insane.

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[quote=Rexi;261309]LT is a lot faster than Gore, cuts quicker, and is better goalline back and much better at ball security. Gore is a much more powerful runner though and picks up the blitz better. Both catch the ball out of the backfield extremely well.

LT is the better back but I don't think it is by as big a margin as most think.[/quote]

LT is on a planet all his own right now.

Don't even bother trying to compare anyone with him, especially Gore. Yeah he's having a good season, but it's one season man, calm down just a bit.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;261321]You have officially documented that you are insane.[/quote]
Where do you disagree with my assessments?

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[quote=Mattyk72;261355]LT is on a planet all his own right now.

Don't even bother trying to compare anyone with him, especially Gore. Yeah he's having a good season, but it's one season man, calm down just a bit.[/quote]
I don't get your point. LT is overall the better back but he doesn't do everything better. I think my post acknowledged that.

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[quote=Rexi;261356]Where do you disagree with my assessments?[/quote]

You put Frank Gore in the same sentence as LT. To top that, you can't fathom which of your statements brought my comment.

Hell, pick one. (I am paraphrasing).

Frank Gore is closer to LT than people think.

Frank Gore has the same ability as Emmitt Smith.

You are insane.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;261360]You put Frank Gore in the same sentence as LT. To top that, you can't fathom which of your statements brought my comment.

Hell, pick one. (I am paraphrasing).

Frank Gore is closer to LT than people think.

Frank Gore has the same ability as Emmitt Smith.

You are insane.[/quote]Okay so just putting the too players in the same sentence is insane? I'm just saying the general public probably doesn't realize how good Gore is in relation to how good LT is. LT is the better player but Gore does some things much better just like LT does some things much better than Gore (see in my post the specifics). Do you disagree that there are some things Gore is better at?

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Just chill with comparing Gore and LT. You're way ahead of yourself. Let's talk in 3-5 years and see if he's still putting up monster numbers.

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[quote=Mattyk72;261401]Just chill with comparing Gore and LT. You're way ahead of yourself. Let's talk in 3-5 years and see if he's still putting up monster numbers.[/quote]
Why? Is there anything wrong with what i said? Why am I "ahead of myself" by comparing the two?

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It's like comparing Alex Smith and Peyton Manning.

They're not even in the same conversation.

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LT is a better blocker, passer, runner on the outside, runner on the inside, a much better receiver, fumbles a whole lot less, has been extremely consistent over 6 years compared to one good year, and is insanely more productive at putting points on the board and his team on his back when they need him. so in what ways is Gore better? no one is playing at LT's level at the running back position right now. I appreciate u being all about your team and it's players but that's pure crazy talk even mentioning LT and Gore in the same sentence at this point of their respective careers.

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[quote=Mattyk72;261679]It's like comparing Alex Smith and Peyton Manning.

They're not even in the same conversation.[/quote]
I disagree. "Not being in the same conversation" would mean that LT does everything way better than Gore and that isn't true.

LT and Gore are both great backs, but they are completely different.

LT's game is based off of his ridiculous speed and cutting ability. Gore's game is based off of equally ridiculous power and ability to shake tackles.

Gore doesn't have the speed to get to the outside edge and gone nearly instantaneously like LT but on the other hand LT doesn't have the lower body strength to run through tackles and push piles all game like Gore does. Both great backs with very different styles.

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This guy has no grip on reality. Just drop it like I did.

Conversing with Rexi will give you a headache.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;261693]LT is a better blocker, passer, runner on the outside, runner on the inside, a much better receiver, fumbles a whole lot less, has been extremely consistent over 6 years compared to one good year, and is insanely more productive at putting points on the board and his team on his back when they need him. so in what ways is Gore better? no one is playing at LT's level at the running back position right now. I appreciate u being all about your team and it's players but that's pure crazy talk even mentioning LT and Gore in the same sentence at this point of their respective careers.[/quote]
Actually Gore is the better blocker IMO. I think LT actually missed a couple blocks that resulted in hits on Rivers last night where as Gore picked up Peterson and the other Hawks when they blitzed us on Thurs.

Gore is the better runner between the tackles because with LT if you can a good handle on him (not an easy task because of his speed and quickness) then he usually goes down. With Gore even if you do get a handle on him you're job isn't done becuase you still have the difficult task of actually tackling the guy.

Agreed that LT is better outside runner by a lot.

Both catch the ball very well with LT being better.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;261697]This guy has no grip on reality. Just drop it like I did.

Conversing with Rexi will give you a headache.[/quote]Wow what an informative and classy contribution to this thread. :)

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[quote=Rexi;261756]Wow what an informative and classy contribution to this thread. :)[/quote]

Ladell Betts is better than LT, Frank Gore, and Emmitt Smith combined, but only if he is traded to the 49ers.

You are a joke.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;261773]Ladell Betts is better than LT, Frank Gore, and Emmitt Smith combined, but only if he is traded to the 49ers.

You are a joke.[/quote]Betts has been doing great lately but I havent seen much tape on him so I'm not going to evaluate him.

I still havent seen you come up with any points refuting my Gore/LT assessments. Just mindless insults.

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i like gore as a player, but the comparison to someone that just set the touchdown record? i know your a 49er homer, and thats cool, but come on. and besides, L.T. has been doing it for the last couple of seasons, and this is gores first real success in the big time. lets go a couple of seasons to try the comparison

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Gore's running ability is no mystery to anyone who watched Miami football neither is the fact that he's running on borrowed time with those surgically repaired knees. I give him at most 3 seasons, including this one before injuries take their toll. That gives the 49er's two years to make a run at the championship with Gore.

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[quote=Rexi;261756]Wow what an informative and classy contribution to this thread. :)[/quote]

Rexi. What do you think of A. Smith so far? I personally don't even know why he was drafted so high. I think he is 2nd or 3rd round talent. He's getting better but he's not a first pick, blue chip type of QB. IMO Jason Campbell has more raw ability and is going to be a better passer than Smith. What's your honest opinion on this?

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[quote=724Skinsfan;261814]Gore's running ability is no mystery to anyone who watched Miami football neither is the fact that he's running on borrowed time with those surgically repaired knees. I give him at most 3 seasons, including this one before injuries take their toll. That gives the 49er's two years to make a run at the championship with Gore.[/quote]Thanks Doctor.

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[quote=skinsfan69;261911]Rexi. What do you think of A. Smith so far? I personally don't even know why he was drafted so high. I think he is 2nd or 3rd round talent. He's getting better but he's not a first pick, blue chip type of QB. IMO Jason Campbell has more raw ability and is going to be a better passer than Smith. What's your honest opinion on this?[/quote]To be honest I agree. I didn't like the pick at first because he had been going up against inferior competition and nothing really stood out to me as #1 pick material aside from being intelligent. It was just a bad draft to have the #1 pick in. In last year's draft he probably would have been the 4 QB taken, in the 2nd round like you suggest. He still hasn't shown anywhere near what I expect out him except that 4th quarter last Thursday.

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I don't agree with Gore being in the same class as LT, No one is. What really sets him apart,besides his awesome physical tools, is his vision. He has the special ability to find holes. Marcus Allen had it, LT has it.

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Barry Sanders, too.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;261814]Gore's running ability is no mystery to anyone who watched Miami football neither is the fact that he's running on borrowed time with those surgically repaired knees. I give him at most 3 seasons, including this one before injuries take their toll. That gives the 49er's two years to make a run at the championship with Gore.[/quote]


You obviously dont remember Terry "Rubber Knees" Allen. Both ACLs, gone!

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[quote=paulskinsfan;262127]You obviously dont remember Terry "Rubber Knees" Allen. Both ACLs, gone![/quote]

I remember 21 TD Terry very well. He had two awesome seasons for us and finished his career in mediocrity. I also remember Jamal Anderson, Ki-Jana Carter and Terrell Davis.

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Rexi,

Gore definately looks like he's going to be a stud of a back. However, to compare him at this point in his career to the likes of E. Smith is crazy. Moreover, I think you underestimate LT's ability to shed tackles. LT looks small, but he's 220+ and has VERY powerful legs. When LT gets hit, he shed tackles like he's covered in grease and has one of the meanest stiff-arms in the league. To say otherwise is simply crazy-talk.

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LT is the best running back to come into the nfl since barry sanders.personally,i think when it's all said and done,LT may be up there in legend with a man who i think was the best nfl RB ever,walter payton.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;262140]Rexi,

Gore definately looks like he's going to be a stud of a back. However, to compare him at this point in his career to the likes of E. Smith is crazy. Moreover, I think you underestimate LT's ability to shed tackles. LT looks small, but he's 220+ and has VERY powerful legs. When LT gets hit, he shed tackles like he's covered in grease and has one of the meanest stiff-arms in the league. To say otherwise is simply crazy-talk.[/quote]
I don't think it's crazy to compare the two becuase I'm talking about ability, not what they have accomplished. With LT, he isn't nearly as powerful as Gore, not even close. When Gore get's a decent crack from the line he will usually punish whoever tries to tackle him and push piles nearly every play. With LT if he breaks a tackle it's usually an arm tackle or just a poor angle taken in the first place. He isn't close to Gore in terms of power running. Just like Gore isn't even close to LT when it comes to speed, like I said the are very different backs. Gore relying on power and vision to be successful where as LT relies on his ridiculous straight ahead speed after his first cut.

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[quote=Rexi;262153]I don't think it's crazy to compare the two becuase I'm talking about ability, not what they have accomplished. With LT, he isn't nearly as powerful as Gore, not even close. When Gore get's a decent crack from the line he will usually punish whoever tries to tackle him and push piles nearly every play. With LT if he breaks a tackle it's usually an arm tackle or just a poor angle taken in the first place. He isn't close to Gore in terms of power running. Just like Gore isn't even close to LT when it comes to speed, like I said the are very different backs. Gore relying on power and vision to be successful where as LT relies on his ridiculous straight ahead speed after his first cut.[/quote]

Hold on. I want to make certain we are are all talking about the same two players: LaDainian Tomlinson of the San Diego Chargers and Frank Gore of San Francisco 49ers.

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Gore is Slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
Lt is fast

Gore is Immensly powerful
But my god LT's Moves and that stiff arm (plus he aint no weekling himself)

LT > Gore anyday but they are different backs