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[quote=LMsexyAO;256314]You, my friend, are an idiot. Last year= second round of the playoffs, if that's not "realistic" I don't know what is...[/quote]

LMsexyAO, never post again. I haven't been a member here very long, but I havent seen you post anything that wasn't just putting down someone else, try some prozac or sumtin, it works better than bashing on people you dont know.

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You've been here a max of 5 days. Mind your business, kid.

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[quote=Beemnseven;256086]I guess this will put me in the minority here, but I would give the coaching staff at least one more season. I want Gibbs back. [I]As head coach only.[/I]

Give Saunders another year for his offense to integrate with these players, if we’re as incompetent and inept this time next season, then get rid of him. Williams has proven he can coordinate a top five defense, so I’m not going to throw him under the bus because the players that worked 2 years ago now appear old.

The only thing that needs to change is the director of player personnel. Bring Beathard back, Casserly, pry away Scott Peoli from New England ... something. Anything but the dopes that are in charge now. I know some will disagree, but even those people have to admit that the strategy we have used for the past three seasons with Gibbs, and every other year except for the ‘01 season under Schottenheimer have been an outright disaster.[/quote]

I agree. BB won't come back becasue he and Gibbs can't co-exist. But Casserly would not be a bad move. People forget that when he left the Skins were in real good shape. We were under cap and had draft picks. Now look at us. No draft picks and it may be 2-3 years before we can be good again.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;256105]Let's all not forget he all of sudden left us back in the day to be with his son. He said "I felt a tickle on my cheek when he kissed me and realized he had a beard, so I need to be a father." We all respected that, but 3 seconds later he was working 18 hours a day in NASCAR. If someone gets on his case during the offseason, or if we lose out, he could very easily feel this is not where he is supposed to be.
I feel the above quoted comment is his "escape clause". Time will tell.[/QUOTE]

Completely different reason the first time. At the point, he was feeling the effects of his diabetes big time, and already proven all he needed to prove as an NFL coach, and of course wanting to be with his family. Now, his diabetes is under control, he's proven what he wanted to in racing, his family is all grown, and he feels the need to prove himself once again in the NFL. Gibbs won't give up until he feels him stepping aside is the only way to turn things around with this team.

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I'm just happy we have stability. I can't see us not improving next year.

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Was Casserly with the team during Gibbs first go round? I know Bethard was the GM then, and boy was he good.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;256422]Was Casserly with the team during Gibbs first go round? I know Bethard was the GM then, and boy was he good.[/quote]

Yes. He was assistant GM under BB and then GM from 89-97.

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In Gibbs We Trust.

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Let's hope Gibbs can right the ship next season and that he and the other coaches can resist tearing up the roster during the offseason. Let's actually keep a draft pick or two, also.

It's stunning that we have lost twice as many games as we've won this year after the run at the end of last season. I hope the end of last year wasn't a fluke and that we can have as dramatic a turnaorund for the better next season.

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I want Snyder to hire mel kiper as our GM, that would be amazing haha

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[quote=The Zimmermans;256532]I want Snyder to hire mel kiper as our GM, that would be amazing haha[/quote]

At least he LIKES the draft!
hopefully JOE is seeing the error of his ways w/some of the personell decisions & he'll take greater control, maybe even orchestrate some deals to get us MORE draft picks!
NO matter what though, I'm looking forward to more JOe Gibbs as head coach/team prez. What brought this on anyway, a reporter asking him at a presser?

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HOORAY!!!!!!


[IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LAEDEAKIAIEJ/GibbsSign2.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;256375]I'm just happy we have stability. I can't see us not improving next year.[/quote]

Well considering we're without Portis most of this season, Moss for about half, along with Springs and a TON of other key defenders...we can't possibly have THAT bad of injury luck again. Add in that Jason Campbell will have some good experience behind his cannon arm, we should be pretty good next year.

This season has been unreal with the key injuries we've had. The Skins have one of the best RB [U]AND[/U] one of the best WRs in the NFL and have lost them both this year. NO team could survive that blow on offense and NO team could survive losing most of their secondary and D-Line at the same time.

Throw in the revolving door for kickers along with a change to a rookie QB and we're lucky to have as many wins as we do.

Next year will be better. It will be a good year. :)

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Gibbs have a lifetime pass.

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One of my predictions for next season is this. Gibbs will grab the reins back on the team. To what degree I'm not sure. I personally would not be surprised to see him take back control of the offense and let Saunders go. That would be extreme, but it could happen.

Or perhaps he'll sit down with Saunders this offseason and work on coming up with an offensive identity that suits the 'Redskins principles' that he speaks of. Either way I believe we will see Gibbs more involved with the offense next year.

I do agree with the thought that there are too many chiefs and not enough indians on this coaching staff. Gibbs needs to get his hands dirty again and take back some control of the offense. To what degree he will do that is yet to be seen, but trust me, something will happen along the lines I've outlined above.

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[quote=Mattyk72;256577]One of my predictions for next season is this. Gibbs will grab the reins back on the team. To what degree I'm not sure. I personally would not be surprised to see him take back control of the offense and let Saunders go. That would be extreme, but it could happen.

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YAY!!!!!!!! I agree, I agree!!!!!!!!!! :)

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;256344]Completely different reason the first time. At the point, he was feeling the effects of his diabetes big time, and already proven all he needed to prove as an NFL coach, and of course wanting to be with his family. Now, his diabetes is under control, he's proven what he wanted to in racing, his family is all grown, and he feels the need to prove himself once again in the NFL. Gibbs won't give up until he feels him stepping aside is the only way to turn things around with this team.[/QUOTE]

Hold on...no one was upset when he left to be with family, the problem was, he didn't spend time with his family. He was literally spending 18 hours a day in NASCAR. If you leave to "be with family" then be with family. He made that his excuse to follow a dream. So he lied. Hey I love the man as our coach, but he lied to leave the first time around, are we so short sighted to beleive he won't do it twice?
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...........

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;256538]At least he LIKES the draft!
hopefully JOE is seeing the error of his ways w/some of the personell decisions & he'll take greater control, maybe even orchestrate some deals to get us MORE draft picks!
NO matter what though, I'm looking forward to more JOe Gibbs as head coach/team prez. What brought this on anyway, a reporter asking him at a presser?[/QUOTE]

Joe Gibbs liked to take a high draft pick then trade down for two picks, or more. We have not done this in a long long time.
We also need not forget, Gibbs has never coached / scouted talent in the salary cap era.

It is worthy to note, that I also beleive that Gibbs has a lifetime pass. I'd rather see us go 4-12 with Gibbs as our general than see us try, yet again, to get a coaching staff to "right the ship". I will be patient with Gibbs!

In Gibbs I trust!

(I just hope he doesn't lie and abandon us again.)

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[QUOTE=jsarno;257250]Hold on...no one was upset when he left to be with family, the problem was, he didn't spend time with his family. He was literally spending 18 hours a day in NASCAR. If you leave to "be with family" then be with family. He made that his excuse to follow a dream. So he lied. Hey I love the man as our coach, but he lied to leave the first time around, are we so short sighted to beleive he won't do it twice?
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...........[/QUOTE]

First of all, show me proof where he spent 18 hours a day in NASCAR. Secondly, who's to say his intentions were not to spend more time with his family? I mean geez, really, does the guy owe us an explanation? No, he doesn't.

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Joe Gibbs had already created his racing team before he retired the first time around. His team was based in North Carolina, where he and his wife have their permanent home. His son J.D. in the early 90s was a pit crew member of Joe Gibbs Racing and his youngest son Coy was attending Stanford at the time. With the exception of Coy, the Gibbs family definitely spent more time together when he retired.

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[QUOTE=Buster;256558]Well considering we're without Portis most of this season, Moss for about half, along with Springs and a TON of other key defenders...we can't possibly have THAT bad of injury luck again. Add in that Jason Campbell will have some good experience behind his cannon arm, we should be pretty good next year.

This season has been unreal with the key injuries we've had. The Skins have one of the best RB [U]AND[/U] one of the best WRs in the NFL and have lost them both this year. NO team could survive that blow on offense and NO team could survive losing most of their secondary and D-Line at the same time.

Throw in the revolving door for kickers along with a change to a rookie QB and we're lucky to have as many wins as we do.

Next year will be better. It will be a good year. :)[/QUOTE]

Moss hasn't been out that much. And of the 12 games we've played, Portis has started 7, and played in 8. His presence wasn't that big of a factor when he was playing. Springs being out hurt in the beginning, but at full strength we'd still be having problems on the D.

Also, not many teams can say they've had the kind of stability we've had at the O-line.

Blaming this season on injuries would be an incredible cop-out.

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You can't blame only the injuries, but they were a factor. I don't think we ever played one game at full strength or anywhere near it. It seems like we were always missing key guys every week.

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If this team stinks up pre-season again and goes 50%or under on wins next year will Gibbs still have a "pass" to coach the 5th season of his contract?

Looking at the Skins coaching moves last year, is the plan of Gibbs leaving this team after year 5 still make sense?

Based on those coaching moves would Gibbs have to be a GM to make this year coaching moves stable for the Skins in the year after Gibbs retires?

Lot of talk about the stability Gibbs brings, but is there stability once he leaves or moves out of the heading coaching job?

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[quote=Beemnseven;257386]Moss hasn't been out that much. And of the 12 games we've played, Portis has started 7, and played in 8. His presence wasn't that big of a factor when he was playing. Springs being out hurt in the beginning, but at full strength we'd still be having problems on the D.

Also, not many teams can say they've had the kind of stability we've had at the O-line.

Blaming this season on injuries would be an incredible cop-out.[/quote]

I agree that injuries are a reality in the NFL, not an excuse.

Yes, they have played a role, but in the end I think it has had little to do with the overall performance of the team this year.

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Just checked NFL.com:

Along the D-line, Cornelius Griffin has played in 10 of 12 games, Salave'a in 9 of 12, and no time has been missed by the two starting D-ends, Daniels and Carter.

Other than Springs, the D has had virtually a clean bill of health.

And that's what's scary.

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Except in some cases I think guys were playing when they shouldn't have been. Griffin and Salave'a have definitely played hurt when they probably should have been sitting, which was a detriment

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Rogers missed a start and Vincent has been out lately. Prioleau was done from the start. Daniels always seems to be nursing a bad back. Griffin hasn't been as effective this year as in the past. Marshall seems to be hampered by his shoulder. Big Joe has simply lost his job anyway to Golston.

Injuries happen to every team and it certainly doesn't full excuse their piss poor performances this year. But they have been a factor to some degree.

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[quote=Mattyk72;257414]Rogers missed a start and Vincent has been out lately. Prioleau was done from the start. Daniels always seems to be nursing a bad back. Griffin hasn't been as effective this year as in the past. Marshall seems to be hampered by his shoulder. Big Joe has simply lost his job anyway to Golston.

Injuries happen to every team and it certainly doesn't full excuse their piss poor performances this year. But they have been a factor to some degree.[/quote]

But that's life in the NFL, Matty. All teams have guys nursing injuries along the way. Heck, the Giants are still in the hunt and they've been missing both DEs for a good portion of the season. Same thing with their LBs.

I forget which team I was wathching the other day, but they were down to their second and third string corners, and we're still holding up well in pass coverage.

All I'm saying is the question isn't whether or not your key guys get injured, it's how well you manage through those injuries. Who's stepping up to fill the role. The good teams seem to always find a way and the mediocre ones don't.

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Actually, the injury that I think has hurt us the most is one of the least publicized. Prileaou's (not sure on the spelling but I am just gonna put in a bunch of vowels and hope for the best) injury altered the way they had to approach the secondary - he was a starting quality safety who was more cover man than run stopper, you know the anti-Archuleta. With him, instead of Arch on the nickel and dime packages, the corners are free to blitz OR keep Arch in and play 3 deep with one of the three blitzing and the other two providing covage, etc.

Prelouai (I am resolved to spelling his name with a different vowel combination each time I use it) gave Williams the flexibility he craves in a defensive player. Also, he was an excellent special teams guy (again, the Anti-Archuletta).

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[quote=12thMan;257426]But that's life in the NFL, Matty. All teams have guys nursing injuries along the way. Heck, the Giants are still in the hunt and they've been missing both DEs for a good portion of the season. Same thing with their LBs.

I forget which team I was wathching the other day, but they were down to their second and third string corners, and we're still holding up well in pass coverage.

All I'm saying is the question isn't whether or not your key guys get injured, it's how well you manage through those injuries. Who's stepping up to fill the role. The good teams seem to always find a way and the mediocre ones don't.[/quote]

I'm not disputing that injuries are a part of the NFL.

I'm just saying they are a factor, a factor for every team. Some teams can fight through but it all depends on the severity of the injuries and what key guys are hurt.

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Injuries are a factor but not so much as the loss of the individual but how it impacts the belief that other players and coaches have in the individual that steps up. If the team doesn't believe or loses faith in one another then you're looking at a peformance affecting chain reaction due to one or many guys injuries.

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[quote=Mattyk72;257434]I'm not disputing that injuries are a part of the NFL.

I'm just saying they are a factor, a factor for every team. Some teams can fight through but it all depends on the severity of the injuries and what key guys are hurt.[/quote]

The teams that fight through injuries ( for the most part) are the teams with quality depth. We have NO QUALITY DEPTH. Example. 2nd rounder to move up to get Rocky. The 3rd & 4th rounders we gave to SF for LLoyd. 3rd rounder given up to Duckett. I could go on. My point is these moves that are going to hurt the depth of the team in the future. These are guys you groom in your system that add depth and play teams.

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you could have saved yourself alot of writing and just said, good teams fight thru injuries

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I don't really like it when people say a team has to be strong enough to fight through all their injuries because every team faces them because it totally takes out the fact that luck plays into it so much. For example, if the Colts lost one of their guards they might be lucky enough to have a backup who can fill in and the team won't miss a beat, but if they lose Manning they are S.O.L. It's all a matter of who you lose and when you lose him.


But basically this was just a post made so that I can remind everyone that 724Skinsfan sucks the big one. He lacks proper personal grooming techniques and I have it on good authority that he doesn't signal when changing lanes on the highway.
Suck it, 724. Suck it indeed.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;257458]I don't really like it when people say a team has to be strong enough to fight through all their injuries because every team faces them because it totally takes out the fact that luck plays into it so much. For example, if the Colts lost one of their guards they might be lucky enough to have a backup who can fill in and the team won't miss a beat, but if they lose Manning they are S.O.L. It's all a matter of who you lose and when you lose him.


But basically this was just a post made so that I can remind everyone that 724Skinsfan sucks the big one. He lacks proper personal grooming techniques and I have it on good authority that he doesn't signal when changing lanes on the highway.
Suck it, 724. Suck it indeed.[/quote]

{sigh} It doesn't bother me to hear this from the likes of...ewe.

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Did you two have a spat before bed last night?

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[QUOTE=12thMan;257476]Did you two have a spat before bed last night?[/QUOTE]
Like you wouldn't believe. I caught him trying on the french maid outfit I got him for X-mas. That was supposed to be a suprise damnit!


And I need to stop the hijacking before I get yelled at.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;257478]Like you wouldn't believe. I caught him trying on the french maid outfit I got him for X-mas. That was supposed to be a suprise damnit!


And I need to stop the hijacking before I get yelled at.[/quote]


Hey, quick question - where did you get the outfit? I've been looking for one.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;257272]First of all, show me proof where he spent 18 hours a day in NASCAR. Secondly, who's to say his intentions were not to spend more time with his family? I mean geez, really, does the guy owe us an explanation? No, he doesn't.[/QUOTE]

That was like 15 years ago. Hold on a sec, I'll go through my newspaper archives and pull it out for you. :doh:

If you're old enough to remember, you remember. It was on sportscenter. When he left we were all shocked, but understood. When we found out he didn't spend time with family, he went to NASCAR, a lot of us were upset for not being honest. This is not opinion, but fact. All was forgiven when he came back, but you never know when he might do it again. So we need to enjoy his leadership while we have it.

Your comment of "does he owe us an explanation?" Of course not, but he offered one. He could have left for any reason in his own head, including burnt out or just don't have the spark anymore. No one would care. But don't tell us one thing and do another. However, he did cite health issues, and that was true...he should have left it at that.

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Skinsguy...oddly enough, I did find a little proof. I didn't think I would since it was so long ago.
here is the site I got this info from:
[url=http://www.joegibbsonline.com/about_joe.php]About Joe Gibbs, Joe Gibbs Online, Sign Up for Joe's Weekly Spiritual Game Plan!, Joe Gibbs[/url]

"Gibbs retired from football in 1993, after citing health problems. He was known for his long hours, and he said he wanted to spend more time with his family."
"as he led the Washington Redskins to three Super Bowl victories in four appearances, then quit to own a NASCAR racing team."