Re: sean taylor???
 

I'm looking at a player who this year, has attempted to over compensate for changes, as well as injuries to a secondary which as a whole, did not perform to the best of their abilities. He has not performed at the pace of the previous two years, but there are varying reasons for it. Sean will bounce back when we establish a little more stability around him, and he has the opportunity to play with the same group for an extended period of time. Let's face it, he's had to play next to no less than three different players this season. He therefore found himself pressing, trying to do too much, being out of position, and missing tackles, feeling more of a responsibility to make plays.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;265539]For the hundreth time. Why is he getting the blame when nobody on the defense is helping him?

When is a safety the cornerstone of a defense? I have never seen a good defense that is built around a safety.[/quote]
Great point. Taylor has all-pro abilitity, but I believe it will only be drawn out if we get more consistent play from the front seven. We should probably be in position to draft Gaines Adams as a stud DE with the first round pick. We should probably look try to catch another Golsten with the latter picks and address the MLB deficiencey thru free agency. Once we address the issues up front, Taylor will re-emerge as the playmaker we saw in his first two seasons.

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ST is the redskins new LA. He is out of position often and misses a ton of tackles. Sure he makes big hits once in a while but he is too undisciplined to become a superstar.

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=irish;265601]ST is the redskins new LA. He is out of position often and misses a ton of tackles. Sure he makes big hits once in a while but he is too undisciplined to become a superstar.[/quote]
I feel the jury is still out - Taylor was on the verge of superstardom last season. Let's see what he looks like next year after Gibbs addresses issues on the front seven.

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[quote=irish;265601]ST is the redskins new LA. He is out of position often and misses a ton of tackles. Sure he makes big hits once in a while but he is too undisciplined to become a superstar.[/quote]


ST is a monster. Don't compare him to LA. First and foremost he isn't hurt. Second, he is a freak of nature and his time to shine is much shorter than LA's. Take a deep breath, ST has everything in front of him. He is currently on a bad team trying to find it's way. Next year will be different!!!

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=dmek25;265569]sorry that my football knowledge isn't as great as the magnificent grimreapers, but I'm glad you want to talk about fundamentals. isn't tackling a football fundamental? right now, i don't think Sean Taylor could tackle me. isn't pass coverage keeping the opposition in front of you? Taylor still trying to peek into the backfield, as every tom, dick, and harry goes blowing by him. and the biggest fundamental a safety learns in pop warner, is don't let anyone behind you. anyone have a guess on how many times this has happened this season? the defense being horrible isn't all Sean Taylors fault. but no way he gets a free pass. he was just as bad as everyone else[/quote]

My three year old could tackle you.

You were the one who labled Taylor as a marginal player. Own up to your misguided claim.

Marginal players don't get NFC players of the week.

Re: sean taylor???
 

It is obvious Taylor suffers from being on a bad defense, but I do think he is often out of postion and misses too many tackles going for knock out hits. He has the potential to be a great player, but I do not think he is one yet.

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;265686]ST is a monster. Don't compare him to LA. First and foremost he isn't hurt. Second, he is a freak of nature and his time to shine is much shorter than LA's. Take a deep breath, ST has everything in front of him. He is currently on a bad team trying to find it's way. Next year will be different!!![/quote]



i agree with you 100% thank you for not buying into that crap. sean is the best player we have on defense bottom line, you lose him you have nothing. hes been playing through injury as well this season, something lavar (hate mentioning that bums name) never did. when ST sits out for 6 weeks with a thigh bruise then you can make calls like that. i agree with you 100% next season will be better for him, provided our D as a whoile gets thier head out of thier ass. its like a snowball effect, do people think that its easy to watch your team give up plays and not want to do anything and everything to win. when has sean ever complained or said anything stupid to the media, in fact when as he ever said anything, let him do his job.

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;265687]My three year old could tackle you.

You were the one who labled Taylor as a marginal player. Own up to your misguided claim.

Marginal players don't get NFC players of the week.[/quote]
first off, I'm 6'2" 245lbs, so i don't think your 3 year old would be tackling me anytime soon.
secondly, right now, in my eyes, Taylor is a marginal NFL player
and lastly, how many times has Taylor been player of the week? can you name one game, other then the Carolina game, when Taylor has played well? if you look thru some of the players of the week, I'm sure you will find some marginal players that could shine for just that one week. i like Taylor. i think he has a world of talent. but he has under achieved this season.

Re: sean taylor???
 

[QUOTE=irish;265601]ST is the redskins new LA. He is out of position often and misses a ton of tackles. Sure he makes big hits once in a while but he is too undisciplined to become a superstar.[/QUOTE]

Well put - Sean Taylor is as good at playing safety as a healthy Lavar was at playing OLB. Both go for the big highlight reel hits and are often caught out of position.

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my man had 111 tackles. now compare that to the last two years where he was at his best, during his first 2 years he had 70 and 76 tackles. very seldom do you see a saftey lead his team in tackles. for a saftey that is not good, that tells me that he is making up for the players who can't, well, play. he needs more talent on the defense to help him out.

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he is missing tackles, sure, but he has 111 tackles. he can't make every play. He needs help.

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[quote=dall-assblows;265915]my man had 111 tackles. now compare that to the last two years where he was at his best, during his first 2 years he had 70 and 76 tackles. very seldom do you see a saftey lead his team in tackles. for a saftey that is not good, that tells me that he is making up for the players who can't, well, play. he needs more talent on the defense to help him out.[/quote]
AMEN!!! Show me a safety who leads his team in tackles, and I'll show you a front seven that sucks. Until Gibbs and Williams address that issue, Taylor and Rogers will never develop into the players they can be.

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=SouperMeister;265920]AMEN!!! Show me a safety who leads his team in tackles, and I'll show you a front seven that sucks. Until Gibbs and Williams address that issue, Taylor and Rogers will never develop into the players they can be.[/quote]

can you believe this? the expect ST to mak every damn play on defense. unbelievable

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Disgusting really how sean taylor is being jumped on here when he is without a doubt a top safety. People wonder why sean taylor bites on play action becuas eif he doesent and it is a run its going 20 yards.

Re: sean taylor???
 

Taylor regressed because the entire defense was awful, and maybe it has something to do with Dewayne Walker being UCLA defensive cord., he should have been here, but we just let him leave, like pierce, Clark and Smoot. Taylors play has regressed because he has no help, Rogers gets beat and so does Kenny Wright and Taylor has to basically cover all of the recievers on the field and watch the run, thats one hell of an assignment. Even Ed Reed would look suspect if he didnt have the corners he plays behind, and it doesnt hurt to have a pass rush. I would like this topic to be saved, so that when Taylor has a monster year in 07', everybody who ran there mouth about him can enjoy a nice plate of crow.

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excuse me. guys, im a redskin fan. that means i want him to do well. but im not understanding why people around here keep giving him a free pass. and 100 tackles, 10 yards down the field doesnt mean a whole lot to me

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=dmek25;265950]excuse me. guys, im a redskin fan. that means i want him to do well. but im not understanding why people around here keep giving him a free pass. and 100 tackles, 10 yards down the field doesnt mean a whole lot to me[/quote]


you all can go to hell, every last one of you who blames sean taylor for regressing. this man has played on special teams both ways, if anything that right there should be an example of not regressing, how about him trying to do anything to win. he was not put on special teams he volunteered to do it. and if he was so bad at tackling (since you all are coaches) then explain to me why he is on the field for every down except for offense where you dont tackle.

i think some members on here are losing sight of something, HE IS OUR BEST PLAYER ON D. i could understand if you want to blame the D-line, or our corners, but dont blame a player in his 3rd year who has done everything possible to win.

personal fouls againsed him we know are not warrented half the time. he does go for the big hit, but i wouldnt say he does it so much he misses tackles, and dont give me the Michael Vick crap, sean came from across the damn field for that hit and Vick had a quick cutback, not only that but on that one play which everyone seems to bring up, he slowed vick down and he only got 3 yeards extra.

im over this thread already you idiot redskins fans that either think sean is regressing or are comparing him to lavar are just stupid. im out.

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=GiantsSuck703;265930]Taylor regressed because the entire defense was awful, and maybe it has something to do with Dewayne Walker being UCLA defensive cord., he should have been here, but we just let him leave, like pierce, Clark and Smoot. Taylors play has regressed because he has no help, Rogers gets beat and so does Kenny Wright and Taylor has to basically cover all of the recievers on the field and watch the run, thats one hell of an assignment. Even Ed Reed would look suspect if he didnt have the corners he plays behind, and it doesnt hurt to have a pass rush. I would like this topic to be saved, so that when Taylor has a monster year in 07', everybody who ran there mouth about him can enjoy a nice plate of crow.[/quote]

You're probably the first person to bring up Dewayne Walker's absence, very good observation. I think his departure was the single biggest one the Redskins had over the past three years. His defense at UCLA immediately went from one of the worst to one of the best in the entire nation after his arrival. The same John David Booty that sliced Michigan up yesterday for nearly 400 yds, couldn't even get going against UCLA. He was baffled. Walker's departure certainly hurt us big time, yet you hardly ever hear his name called around Redskins park.

As far as Taylor regressing, maybe...maybe not. One thing is for damn sure, you don't get 111 tackles but not being able to play your position. That has to be some kind of record for a safety. Those are really linebacker type of numbers. Taylor, I think, was victim of his own talent this year and a defense as a whole that went in reverse. If anyone watched the games, he was in on just about ever single play. That's isane.

I want to chalk up a lot of his bad angles to running accross the field trying to make plays or in the backfield trying to make plays. Taylor would often be in coverage one on one in the end zone or downfield with recievers. Something just seems right about that. Yes, he had an off year. but 100+ tackles is quite a bit.

Re: sean taylor???
 

It's not really fair in my opinion to single out Taylor or anyone else for that matter. This defense as a whole was just horrible this year and Taylor's play was just a reflection of the entire unit.

Re: sean taylor???
 

On the John Thompson radio show last week CP said that the Sean Taylor may be missing tackles, but the tackles he is missing he isn't even supposed to be making. He's basically putting himself in position to make plays that are supposed to be other people's responsibilities, but they're not doing it. I've noticed that myself too, on a lot of his missed tackles he's running to the other side of the field, where it seams that there should have been a lot more skins getting to that player before Taylor has to run all the way over from the other side. So he may be missing tackles, but in many cases Taylor is trying to clean up because people who were in much better position to make the play didn't do it.

Re: sean taylor???
 

[QUOTE=gabe1984;265978]On the John Thompson radio show last week CP said that the Sean Taylor may be missing tackles, but the tackles he is missing he isn't even supposed to be making. He's basically putting himself in position to make plays that are supposed to be other people's responsibilities, but they're not doing it. I've noticed that myself too, on a lot of his missed tackles he's running to the other side of the field, where it seams that there should have been a lot more skins getting to that player before Taylor has to run all the way over from the other side. So he may be missing tackles, but in many cases Taylor is trying to clean up because people who were in much better position to make the play didn't do it.[/QUOTE]

Well put. I think that could be exactly whats wrong. Plus, losing Ryan Clark I think really affected him as far as communication and knowing where his wingman would be all the time. He had to play with 3 different safeties this year....

Re: sean taylor???
 

What's with all the personal attacks on this thread?

Re: sean taylor???
 

I think Taylor's regression is first and foremost a coaching problem. The ESPN article a few weeks back with the "anonymous player" that comment quite a bit on the secondary and the coaching staff issues there I think really highlighted what's going on. Two separate coaches for the CBs and Safety's, neither units meeting together is just the start of the problems.

I've seen enough solid play from Taylor over the years that I'm not worried in the least bit. Hell, he's the only player on the defense I think should definitely be kept on the team.

What do you expect of a guy playing on this defense this year? He's working with a guy like AA who can't cover his own shadow, then with various backups at safety and CB who get changed like a dirty t-shirt. He's got Rogers playing CB, who apparently has bricks for hands, and then Springs who's only there half the time, so the rest of the time it's a backup of some sort. Next he's got linebackers who are abysmal, and a D-line that is letting the opposing RBs get 10 yards downfield without ever getting a hand on them.

What do you honestly expect one guy to be able to do with that kind of talent around him? It's really remarkable he's not worse this year if you think about it.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;265985]What's with all the personal attacks on this thread?[/QUOTE]

My two month old neice could tackle you........

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[quote=TAFKAS;265985]What's with all the personal attacks on this thread?[/quote]
i guess when someone else's opinion is different, it then becomes personal

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;265998]My two month old neice could tackle you........[/QUOTE]

My four month old niece could take a dump on the keyboard and the sh*t she spews would make more sense than your rambling, incoherent posts...

But seriously folks, no need for personal attacks. Let's not start 2007 on a bad foot

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;266006]My four month old niece could take a dump on the keyboard and the sh*t she spews would make more sense than your rambling, incoherent posts...

But seriously folks, no need for personal attacks. Let's not start 2007 on a bad foot[/QUOTE]

Good one TAF. Happy New year by the way...

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Just for some levity. Does Merriman have to register his head as a lethal weapon? You could stab a mofo with that thing!

Re: sean taylor???
 

ST is the only presense we have on defense right now. No one from any other team could name any of our other players, cause Sean is the only one that makes plays and puts fear in the opposing team. He is the SAFETY, not the linebacker, he's not supposed to have to make that many tackles. If Lamar and warrick could get off their blocks, maybe sean wouldnt have to run down an untouched tiki barber

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=TAFKAS;266006]My four month old niece could take a dump on the keyboard and the sh*t she spews would make more sense than your rambling, incoherent posts...

But seriously folks, no need for personal attacks. Let's not start 2007 on a bad foot[/quote]
The personal attacks are made by the little cry babies , the guys who couldn't put on a jock strap to begin with . First , this thread did NOT blame ST for the poor defence , just pointed out it was not his best year . Probably because of the poor play of the front 7 and Cb's . he is talented , but he did miss more than a few tackles that he ,,, and all of our db's should make . Draft a stud DL , find another Lb , sign a Cb and 21 should be back in form .

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;266009]Good one TAF. Happy New year by the way...[/QUOTE]

Likewise pana

Re: sean taylor???
 

I've been frustrated with Taylor for a while but not because he is a bad player or even that he is playing particularly poorly. My frustration is more to do with the fact that he IS underachieving. I don't think that you can say that he has played as badly as some of you have made out but he shouldn't be just a decent player, with his talent he should be a regular pro bowler. Undoubtedly, the piss poor defense has not helped and left him papering over cracks way too much but the guy is a beast and even playing well below his potential is still our best defender.

Taylor could be a truly great player and I hope that next season he switches on and doesn't just try to make the monster play all the time.

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Perhaps these stats can help us put Taylor's effort in perspective a little more.

Here are the stats of the tree safeties that were elected to the Pro-Bowl for the NFC. I threw in Ed Reed from the AFC just to see how he compared to one of the elite safeties in the NFL.

Ed Reed first.

[B]59 Tackles 8 assists[/B]. Reed was seventh on his team in tackles. I was amazed to see how many of their linebackers were ahead of him. I guess that's why they have the number one defense in the league.

[B]NFC.[/B]

[B]Brian Dawkins.[/B] 93 tackles 71 assists 2nd on team in tackles
[B]Roy Williams.[/B] 62 tackles 10 assists 4th on team " "
[B]Adrian Wilson[/B] 82 tackles 8 assists 3rd on team " "
[B][COLOR=darkred]Sean Taylor[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=green]111 tackles 25 assists 1st on team " "[/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR=red][B]Taylor led all safties and many linebackers in the NFC in total number of tackles this year.[/B][/COLOR]

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[quote=12thMan;266056]Perhaps these stats can help us put Taylor's effort in perspective a little more.


[B][COLOR=green][/COLOR][/B]


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i never once questioned Taylors effort. and i already know Taylor is trying to make up for a porous defense. but maybe he needs to concentrate on his assignments, first. and i don't think anyone will argue that he has missed a ton of tackles this season. as well as everyone else on the redskins defensive side of the ball

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=dmek25;266061]i never once questioned Taylors effort. and i already know Taylor is trying to make up for a porous defense. but maybe he needs to concentrate on his assignments, first. and i don't think anyone will argue that he has missed a ton of tackles this season. as well as everyone else on the redskins defensive side of the ball[/quote]


He has missed a lot of tackles. But still, had he made half of those tackles, gosh, he would have had like 120something tackles! The real point is, he had very little help from the front seven.

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i dont argue that, at all

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=dmek25;265950]excuse me. guys, im a redskin fan. that means i want him to do well. but im not understanding why people around here keep giving him a free pass. and 100 tackles,[B] 10 yards down the field doesnt mean a whole lot to me[/B][/quote]

that means that others are missing tackles. which ST then has to make

Re: sean taylor???
 

Someone said there weren't three safeties he would take over Sean Taylor even with his shortcomings being exposed this year. Consider please:

Ed Reed
Brian Dawkins
Troy Polamalu
Roy Williams (???) He has the same coverage deficiencies as ST.
Bob Sanders
Yeremiah Bell
Michael Boulware (???)
Mike Brown
Donovan Darius

There are seven I'd take over Taylor right now in 2007 and two others who I'd have to think about for a while. And if I went team-by-team to look at rosters, I might come up with a couple of others...


Here's my idea for the Redskins defense next year:

1. Tell Sean Taylor to add 20 pounds of muscle in the off-season because he's going to be an outside linebacker next year.

2. Find a safety somewhere who can COVER people and then let Archuletta be the safety who does run support and handles the slower tight-end/fullback coverage assignments.

3. While Taylor has prodigious physical skills, I suspect that he does not have the instincts/mental acumen to be a safety because when you get suckered in at safety the result is a LONG game or a TD. If you get suckered in at LB, there's still help behind you.

Re: sean taylor???
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;268790]Someone said there weren't three safeties he would take over Sean Taylor even with his shortcomings being exposed this year. Consider please:

Ed Reed
Brian Dawkins
Troy Polamalu
Roy Williams (???) He has the same coverage deficiencies as ST.
Bob Sanders
Yeremiah Bell
Michael Boulware (???)
Mike Brown
Donovan Darius

There are seven I'd take over Taylor right now in 2007 and two others who I'd have to think about for a while. And if I went team-by-team to look at rosters, I might come up with a couple of others...


Here's my idea for the Redskins defense next year:

1. Tell Sean Taylor to add 20 pounds of muscle in the off-season because he's going to be an outside linebacker next year.

2. Find a safety somewhere who can COVER people and then let Archuletta be the safety who does run support and handles the slower tight-end/fullback coverage assignments.

3. While Taylor has prodigious physical skills, I suspect that he does not have the instincts/mental acumen to be a safety because when you get suckered in at safety the result is a LONG game or a TD. If you get suckered in at LB, there's still help behind you.[/quote]

Wow, the guy has two great years at safety where he covered the likes of TO and Randy Moss and they did nothing against him, and the defense has a bad year and you decide he cant cover, he should become a LB. The list of safetys you put ahead of him is a joke, saying he and Roy Williams have the same coverage skills is laughable, Roy Williams cant cover a soul, hes the most overrated player in all of the NFL. The fact that you dont seem to understand that half of his troubles this year came from the awful pass rush, Carlos Rogers utter inability to cover backup recievers, and the terrible experiment we like to refer to as "Adam Archuletta". Sean Taylor can cover, he can run support and dominates when he doesnt have to do everything on his own. Look at the supporting cast of all those safetys you listed and them compare them to Seans situation, its really unfair. This is typical of most Redskins fans who catch three or four games a year, then decide they now all about football.