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[quote=crawfish;295611]QB's get hurt all the time in the NFL. Look at what happened to McNabb? He got hurt running out of bounds. Garcia came in and the offense didn't miss a beat. Yes they ran more but Garcia played very well. The question is can any of our back-up QB's do that? I would open the back-up qb as a competion instead of just handing it Brunell. Let both Brunell and Collins compete for the back-up job.[/quote]Garcia and Brunell really aren't all that different at all. Garcia probably benefited a bit from not playing the first half of the year, but what he did wasn't incredibly impressive. He was just a good QB playing out the twighlight of his career for a good team, and was able to get some wins along the way over some bad opponents. Garcia played well in the exact same way that Brunell played well. High completion, low INT, let the running game carry the offense.

A competition between Collins and Brunell wouldn't be worth having. Rattay and Brunell would be a very interesting duel.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295615]Saunders also thought that he had never seen a receiver with the kind of talent Brandon Lloyd had. Boy that worked out wonderful for us.

There's plenty of reasons he might like Todd Collins. Maybe he's just comfortable with him. We don't know why Saunders wants Collins around.

We do know that a coach liking a player as a backup is a very poor reason to expect anything from the player on the field.[/quote]

So essentially, because Saunders was wrong on Brandon Lloyd (a player he had never coached before), you see that as reason to discredit his judgment on Todd Collins (a player he has coached for years and years)??

Huh??

Saunders has more intelligence and knowledge on Todd Collins than anyone else in the NFL. Admittedly, the Skins were retarded on the Brandon Lloyd move, Saunders included. But if you're saying we can't trust Al Saunders regarding a player he's been around for years and years, then aren't you really saying Saunders' judgment on these matters is totally worthless?

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[quote=Schneed10;295608]Yeah the defense is largely to blame for sure. But the offense absolutely did not stay on par. You need to stop looking at so many stats like yards per attempt and all this sabermetric crap. One number matters: POINTS.

2005 - 359 points scored, 13th in the NFL
2006 - 307 points scored, 20th in the NFL

A 15% drop in points.

Cause? Hardly any big plays.

Our yards per carry, and yards per attempt, and QB ratings, and all that crap didn't change much. Gee, effing great. What wins games in the NFL: BIG PLAYS. We didn't generate them.

I know it's been a while since we've watched football, but keep the images from the season fresh in your mind. They tell the tale a lot better than the stat sheet does.[/quote]How do you suggest we improve the frequency we get big plays at?

Look, the reason I look at sabremetric stats is because points don't tell the whole story. The raw points don't tell you how many turnovers we didn't get this year, how many points the defense didn't score this year, how pathetic our 32nd ranked starting ave. field postion was, or how much the discrepancy of points were just a function of luck. 15% doesn't look all that convincing when you see the reasoning.

Big plays will certainly help, but I don't know how you plan to get them. If you throw deep too often hoping to create big plays, you will raise INTs and kill a lot of drives.

The best way to get big plays is to get the ball in the hands of Moss, Portis and Cooley and let them do their thing. This is a sign Tim Rattay/Cut Todd Collins thread. I don't understand how creating more big plays should be a factor in this decision.

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Sometimes I hate it when Schneed writes post on threads like these. He has essentially the same opinion that I do regarding Collins versus Rattay but because he's smarter, he says it better which leaves me with nothing better to do than write this weak post.

To echo. Saunders would not have kept Collins on as part of his offense if he felt he had no ability to perform his duties as a backup. Did anyone in KC challenge Saunders/Vermeil about why are they keeping such a horrible waste of NFL talent on the team?

Brunell, Collins and Campbell looked equally bad in pre-season. Probably because they had a better understanding of the plays but the other 10 guys were intermittently out of postion.

I think I read a while back that Collins keeps himself in great physical shape. At age 37 his body isn't going to break down after a series of hits.

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[quote=Schneed10;295618]So essentially, because Saunders was wrong on Brandon Lloyd (a player he had never coached before), you see that as reason to discredit his judgment on Todd Collins (a player he has coached for years and years)??

Huh??

Saunders has more intelligence and knowledge on Todd Collins than anyone else in the NFL. Admittedly, the Skins were retarded on the Brandon Lloyd move, Saunders included. But if you're saying we can't trust Al Saunders regarding a player he's been around for years and years, then aren't you really saying Saunders' judgment on these matters is totally worthless?[/quote]I'm saying that because Saunders likes him is not a good reason to have expectations for him. Every coach has his favorites. That doesn't make them good players necessarily, just overvalued by the team that coach is on.

Collins could be good, but the chances that he's a hidden talent at this point in his career are...well, not very high.

The most logical explination is that he (Saunders) just likes Collins and wants to see him succeed as opposed to another player, such as Rattay. He's not stupid or anything, or willing to sacrifice the betterment of the team for Todd Collins' game, but if Al Saunders won't get him PT, who will?

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[quote=724Skinsfan;295621]Sometimes I hate it when Schneed writes post on threads like these. He has essentially the same opinion that I do regarding Collins versus Rattay but because he's smarter, he says it better which leaves me with nothing better to do than write this weak post.

To echo. Saunders would not have kept Collins on as part of his offense if he felt he had no ability to perform his duties as a backup. Did anyone in KC challenge Saunders/Vermeil about why are they keeping such a horrible waste of NFL talent on the team?

Brunell, Collins and Campbell looked equally bad in pre-season. Probably because they had a better understanding of the plays but the other 10 guys were intermittently out of postion.

I think I read a while back that Collins keeps himself in great physical shape. At age 37 his body isn't going to break down after a series of hits.[/quote]Or, Saunders realizes exactly who Todd Collins is, but also thinks that his boy Collins has been loyal to him for years, and deserves to reap the benefits of a injury to the guy ahead of him.

From Saunders' point of view, if the season is down the crapper anyway, why not put Collins in charge of his offense and powerful running game so that he can generate some hype around him. Maybe Collins very well deserves his shot in a favorable situation.

But to clarify: What's best for Todd Collins probably isn't whats best for the Washington Redskins.

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 

[quote=GTripp0012;295623]I'm saying that because Saunders likes him is not a good reason to have expectations for him. Every coach has his favorites. That doesn't make them good players necessarily, just overvalued by the team that coach is on.

Collins could be good, but the chances that he's a hidden talent at this point in his career are...well, not very high.

[B]The most logical explination is that he (Saunders) just likes Collins and wants to see him succeed as opposed to another player, such as Rattay.[/B] He's not stupid or anything, or willing to sacrifice the betterment of the team for Todd Collins' game, but if Al Saunders won't get him PT, who will?[/quote]

OK first off, is that your whole thing here? Trying to find hidden talent? I guess Gruden just missed the hidden talent that might be there, after all, he let him go, then signed Jeff Garcia, and traded for Jake Plummer.

San Fran was so enamored with that talent that they spent their #1 pick on Alex Smith.

The chances of Tim Rattay being a hidden talent are about the same as Todd Collins, IMO. Nill.

And I strongly disagree with the bolded part. Saunders doesn't just like Collins. Saunders' job is to run a good offense. He's comfortable that while Collins lacks talent, he can come in and manage a game well enough to not screw up. He's no long term answer, but he's a solid safety net when your #1 option goes down. Even coaches like to have insurance, that's what Collins is. Not the son Saunders wished he had.

You and I seem to be talking past each other an awful lot here. So let's just finally get down to the thing that will kill this ridiculous idea:

How do you propose to fit Rattay under our cap in 2007? Are you assuming we'll get him for vet min?

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I love a good old qb debate. IMO we need to upgrade the back-up Qb position. Sorry GTripp. I know Brunell is your boy but we can't go back to him being our QB if JC gets hurt. He just limits our offense too much. Only Brad Johnson is better at dink and dunk passes. So I would welcome Rattay. His on the field performance shows he can play in the NFL. And how are we so sure Collins can not play? He wouldn't have lasted this long as a back-up if he totally sucked.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295627]Or, Saunders realizes exactly who Todd Collins is, but also thinks that his boy Collins has been loyal to him for years, and deserves to reap the benefits of a injury to the guy ahead of him.[/quote]

That sentiment may be plausible for the short term but he's not going to keep him on his roster for more than a couple of years out of straight up loyalty. People just do not maintain success by sacrificing talent acquisition and winning with something as basic as personal loyalty. Saunders has been in the NFL for a long time. Long enough to know when to draw the line when it comes to loyalty.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;295639]That sentiment may be plausible for the short term but he's not going to keep him on his roster for more than a couple of years out of straight up loyalty. People just do not maintain success by sacrificing talent acquisition and winning with something as basic as personal loyalty. Saunders has been in the NFL for a long time. Long enough to know when to draw the line when it comes to loyalty.[/quote]

Agreed. GTripp, the way you talk about Saunders keeping Collins around just because he likes him makes it seem like you think Saunders is completely inept at his job. By insinuating that Saunders is playing favorites with Collins, you're basically saying Saunders lacks sound football judgment.

It's a severe overstatement of your case.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;295639]That sentiment may be plausible for the short term but he's not going to keep him on his roster for more than a couple of years out of straight up loyalty. People just do not maintain success by sacrificing talent acquisition and winning with something as basic as personal loyalty. Saunders has been in the NFL for a long time. Long enough to know when to draw the line when it comes to loyalty.[/quote]I agree. But as the third quarterback, why not? Who else would fill that role, a role that essentially doesn't matter.

Well, I've suggested that Rattay deserves his roster spot and that we should pay him No. 2 QB money, a role he will step into in 2008. I don't think Al would particualrly enjoy such a suggestion, but I don't think he'd prevent it either if Gibbs came to him. He's too smart for that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295604]You have a good point there. Age saps his ability to heal from injuries and everyday beatings quickly. Brunell is best suited for a backup role at this point in his career.

Still if you graded him just by what he's capable of when healthy, he's one of the top 32 QBs in the league, which means someone is starting someone worse than Brunell. Of course, that's not our problem.

Don't pass off Brunells stats as garbage time without addressing the real story. It's honestly as if people think that the only team that ever plays in garbage time is us. All QBs play in garbage time. There's a certain expectation for a guy who's playing in garbage time, and if a guy exceeds it, thats a credit to him, not a knock on him.

Watch some of the highlight tapes. You may enjoy it since they don't make us relive the end of games like Minnesota and Tennessee.[/quote]

Or relive at NY and at Phil when our offense looked like a crap.

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[quote=Schneed10;295640]Agreed. GTripp, the way you talk about Saunders keeping Collins around just because he likes him makes it seem like you think Saunders is completely inept at his job. By insinuating that Saunders is playing favorites with Collins, you're basically saying Saunders lacks sound football judgment.

It's a severe overstatement of your case.[/quote]

What about Gibbs keeping Brunell around? It's the same damn thing.

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[quote=crawfish;295643]What about Gibbs keeping Brunell around? It's the same damn thing.[/quote]

I'm not quite sure where you're going with your post. But I just feel the need to say I'm definitely not arguing that we should get rid of Brunell yet. He's still serviceable as a backup, but I wouldn't want him starting.

Honestly, a lot of this discussion is neither here nor there. My basic feeling is whoever the coaches want to be the backup QBs, fine with me, as long as it makes salary cap sense. It'd be completely stupid to break the bank for a 3rd QB this year, that's the main reason I'm advocating keeping Collins.

I think we'd all agree that we're hitching our hopes to the wagon of Jason Campbell this year, as well we should. He has by far the most talent on our team (and way more talent than Tim Rattay), and he gives us the best chance to win games at this point.

Backup QBs can be left to the coaching staff and whoever they pick, hey whatever. As long as you're not getting us into cap trouble by signing backup QBs, knock yourself out.

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Yes, but isn't refreshing to be able to bicker over who the 3rd string QB should be rather than who the starting QB should be? A good indication of positive things to look forward to this upcoming season.

[I]"Grey skies are gonna clear up..."[/I]

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I honestly can't see Rattay getting a better deal than Carr received ($2M per year), which is only slightly more than what Collins is getting. I could be wrong, but I think Rattay will probably get something very close to what Collins got ($1.5M per year), which is what $600K above vet. minimum?

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best thread on here since the Briggs would be saga. Good job GT.

I think good points are made on both sides of this. I've been sayin on here for a while that we need to find somebody in the draft to groom as JC's backup. Roster space as well as cap space are both an issue.

Regardless of where you stand on this, we must all at least agree that if not this year, certainly next year we must get a young backup, draft or free agency. I actually thought Carr would've been a good signing for us if not for the logjam of old men we now have at qb.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;295650]I honestly can't see Rattay getting a better deal than Carr received ($2M per year), which is only slightly more than what Collins is getting. I could be wrong, but I think Rattay will probably get something very close to what Collins got ($1.5M per year), which is what $600K above vet. minimum?[/quote]

Carr signed for 2 years, $6.2 million.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827930"]ESPN.com - NFL - Carr agrees with Panthers, will back up Delhomme[/URL]

If Rattay got Carr money, we would cut Collins to save $1.2 million, but then eat up about $2.5 - $3.1 million in room, for a net hit to our cap of somewhere between $1.3 - $1.9 million. That would leave us with about $3.0 million in space, barely enough to sign rookies, and if we can manage to get the rookies squeezed in there, we'd have no wiggle room during the season. And you could forget about having the flexibility to trade for an Asante Samuel or Lance Briggs before the draft (maybe that's a good thing, I don't know).

Rattay may not get Carr money, but not too far below it. In any case, signing him would make our 2007 cap situation VERY tight. We could ditch Renaldo Wynn to help make room, but have you made your team any better by going from Collins to Rattay and dropping Wynn in the process?

You need to leave a little room for signing guys in season.

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[quote=12thMan;295562]I say sign Patrick Ramsey.[/quote]

He signed in Denver.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;295656]He signed in Denver.[/quote]

Whoosh.

That was the sound of a joke going over your head.

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[quote=Schneed10;295647]I'm not quite sure where you're going with your post. But I just feel the need to say I'm definitely not arguing that we should get rid of Brunell yet. He's still serviceable as a backup, but I wouldn't want him starting.

Honestly, a lot of this discussion is neither here nor there. My basic feeling is whoever the coaches want to be the backup QBs, fine with me, as long as it makes salary cap sense. It'd be completely stupid to break the bank for a 3rd QB this year, that's the main reason I'm advocating keeping Collins.

I think we'd all agree that we're hitching our hopes to the wagon of Jason Campbell this year, as well we should. He has by far the most talent on our team (and way more talent than Tim Rattay), and he gives us the best chance to win games at this point.

Backup QBs can be left to the coaching staff and whoever they pick, hey whatever. As long as you're not getting us into cap trouble by signing backup QBs, knock yourself out.[/quote]Well, any move that isn't cost effective is stupid. The point is that backup QB is going to be a need next year anyhow, why not address it now [U]while it is cheap to do so[/U].

I could see us screwing up by not looking into the future to find our needs. Backup QB will be a need in a year. As far as this year goes, it really doesn't matter. Campbell is No. 1, Brunell is No. 2 and we have a really good QB situation. The main focus now should be adding youth to the defense via the draft.

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[quote=Schneed10;295647]I'm not quite sure where you're going with your post. But I just feel the need to say I'm definitely not arguing that we should get rid of Brunell yet. He's still serviceable as a backup, but I wouldn't want him starting.

Honestly, a lot of this discussion is neither here nor there. My basic feeling is whoever the coaches want to be the backup QBs, fine with me, as long as it makes salary cap sense. It'd be completely stupid to break the bank for a 3rd QB this year, that's the main reason I'm advocating keeping Collins.

I think we'd all agree that we're hitching our hopes to the wagon of Jason Campbell this year, as well we should. He has by far the most talent on our team (and way more talent than Tim Rattay), and he gives us the best chance to win games at this point.

Backup QBs can be left to the coaching staff and whoever they pick, hey whatever. As long as you're not getting us into cap trouble by signing backup QBs, knock yourself out.[/quote]

Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble. But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.

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[quote=crawfish;295661]Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. [B]We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble.[/B] But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.[/quote]Wrong. If you are looking for Casey Bramlet to outperform Mark Brunell....I, I can't even finish this sentence. The 3-6 week injury is a perfect situation for a guy like Brunell to start in. Like, I don't think I could have dreamed up a more benefical situation for MB's career. Watch the highlight reels.

There is nothing about Bramlet...at all.

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 

Schneed,

Thanks for correcting my numbers re: Carr's contract. I guess I didn't realize he got that much.

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[quote=Schneed10;295655]Carr signed for 2 years, $6.2 million.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827930"]ESPN.com - NFL - Carr agrees with Panthers, will back up Delhomme[/URL]

If Rattay got Carr money, we would cut Collins to save $1.2 million, but then eat up about $2.5 - $3.1 million in room, for a net hit to our cap of somewhere between $1.3 - $1.9 million. That would leave us with about $3.0 million in space, barely enough to sign rookies, and if we can manage to get the rookies squeezed in there, we'd have no wiggle room during the season. And you could forget about having the flexibility to trade for an Asante Samuel or Lance Briggs before the draft (maybe that's a good thing, I don't know).

Rattay may not get Carr money, but not too far below it. In any case, signing him would make our 2007 cap situation VERY tight. We could ditch Renaldo Wynn to help make room, but have you made your team any better by going from Collins to Rattay and dropping Wynn in the process?

You need to leave a little room for signing guys in season.[/quote]I would pay him reasonable No. 2 money. That's more than Collins is making, but you save 1.2 mil by cutting Collins. I would give Rattay 3 years with a 3.5 million signing bonus, vet min base salary this year, one million base sal next year, and 1.2 million in 2009.

That gives him a cap number under 2 million for this season. We are saving 1.2 million already on cutting Collins, so the net cap cost against this years cap would be somewhere between 0.5 million and 0.8 million. More than reasonable to cheaply lock up the backup QB situation for the next 3 years.

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 

Look this would not workout because Al wont be able to get his reach arounds around from Todd anymore. Why do you think Brunell gets so much love from Gibbs? He gives too...

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[quote=crawfish;295661]Let's say a 290lb DE falls on JC's ankle during a pre season game. He's out 6 weeks. Who starts? Brunell. But you just said you don't want him starting and neither does 99% of all the Redskins fans. This is why we need to bring in someone else to compete with Collins. We know if Brunell has to start for 3-6 weeks then we are in trouble. But the only guy I see doing this is Casey Bramlet. He's going back to NFL Europe so who knows. Bring on Casey! He could be the next Jack Delhomme or Kurt Warner.[/quote]

In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;295557]I've always liked Tim Rattay and thought he'd be a very good #2 QB and an outstanding #3. My guess is that he could be had for little more than the vet. minimum considering he's drawn so little interest.[/quote]

I thought he'd be a difference maker in Tampa... I didn't even realize Rattay was available (this site is awesome)!
I agree! Sign Rattay for vet min...

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[quote=724Skinsfan;295671]In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.[/quote]Exactly.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295616]Garcia and Brunell really aren't all that different at all. Garcia probably benefited a bit from not playing the first half of the year, but what he did wasn't incredibly impressive. He was just a good QB playing out the twighlight of his career for a good team, and was able to get some wins along the way over some bad opponents. Garcia played well in the exact same way that Brunell played well. High completion, low INT, let the running game carry the offense.

A competition between Collins and Brunell wouldn't be worth having. Rattay and Brunell would be a very interesting duel.[/quote]

Huh????????????? Bad opponents??? You call Carolina, Dall, Atl and the Giants weak? Eagles won 6 straight and three straight on the road in the NFC East, plus a playoffs game. Sorry but in today's NFL that's pretty damn impressive to me. If I recall we did the same thing in 05 and you would have thought we won the SB. Give Garcia some credit. He's not McNabb but he's still an effective back-up and I'd love to have him on our team backing up Jason C.

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[quote=crawfish;295675]Huh????????????? Bad opponents??? You call Carolina, Dall, Atl and the Giants weak? Eagles won 6 straight and three straight on the road in the NFC East, plus a playoffs game. Sorry but in today's NFL that's pretty damn impressive to me. If I recall we did the same thing in 05 and you would have thought we won the SB. Give Garcia some credit. He's not McNabb but he's still an effective back-up and I'd love to have him on our team backing up Jason C.[/quote]

I dont think anyone is denying him credit, but what people are trying to say is that he did not perform at an extraordinary level. He is a decent QB that was on a good team at a good time.

It wasnt like he was passing 300 yards a game and 3 Tds. Most of his stuff was short passes.

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[quote=crawfish;295675]Huh????????????? Bad opponents??? You call Carolina, Dall, Atl and the Giants weak? Eagles won 6 straight and three straight on the road in the NFC East, plus a playoffs game. Sorry but in today's NFL that's pretty damn impressive to me. If I recall we did the same thing in 05 and you would have thought we won the SB. Give Garcia some credit. He's not McNabb but he's still an effective back-up and I'd love to have him on our team backing up Jason C.[/quote]Yes, those teams are weak, particuarly defensively. The toughest game they got during that 5 game streak was Washington.

Three straight road wins in the division is impressive anyway you split it, but the Eagles are a good team. Jeff Garcia played well, and that's his job.

I'd love to have Garcia backing up Campbell too. Unfortunately we already have left handed Garcia backing up Campbell, and we hate him.

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[quote=hooskins;295676]I dont think anyone is denying him credit, but what people are trying to say is that he did not perform at an extraordinary level. He is a decent QB that was on a good team at a good time.

It wasnt like he was passing 300 yards a game and 3 Tds. Most of his stuff was short passes.[/quote]Exactly. This is exactly what Brunell was doing on a team that wasn't anywhere as good as Philly.

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Ok I kinda hopped onto this thread a bit late, but why would this happen seeing that Todd is Al's boy? He brought him here from KC and he knows the "system" so why would Al even let this happen. I was joking about the whole reach around thing but I think Al would fight hard against this.

Could anyone summarize how this could happen without removing/seriously upsetting Al?

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[quote=724Skinsfan;295671]In this scenario Brunell is still the backup QB because after the 3-6 weeks Campbell takes back his starting job.[/quote]

Yes I realize that. But what happens if Brunell has to start for lets say 5 weeks. Can we win with him as our QB? Will our passing game be at an NFL level? I doubt it. Our defense would have to go back to 04-05 form and carry the team.

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[quote=crawfish;295681]Yes I realize that. But what happens if Brunell has to start for lets say 5 weeks. [B]Can we win with him as our QB? Will our passing game be at an NFL level?[/B] I doubt it. Our defense would have to go back to 04-05 form and carry the team.[/quote]It was last year and the year before that...by every possible measure. Will we win those 5 games? Not if the defense plays like it did this year. Then again, if the defense doesn't play better, it doesn't matter who plays QB.

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[quote=hooskins;295680]Ok I kinda hopped onto this thread a bit late, but why would this happen seeing that Todd is Al's boy? He brought him here from KC and he knows the "system" so why would Al even let this happen. I was joking about the whole reach around thing but I think Al would fight hard against this.

Could anyone summarize how this could happen without removing/seriously upsetting Al?[/quote]I'm not in any way saying I expect it to happen or that it will happen. I'm just presenting it as a good idea and smart move for the future.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;295664]Schneed,

Thanks for correcting my numbers re: Carr's contract. I guess I didn't realize he got that much.[/quote]

No prob, with the flurry of signings that goes on this time of year the numbers can get all jumbled around.

But GTripp, can you explain to me why signing a guy of Tim Rattay's quality will be more expensive next year than he would be right now?

He's a mediocre-at-best QB that's been ditched by two teams now. Carr got $3 million a year. If Rattay is worth $2.5 million a year now (which we can't afford in 07 by the way), then why would a guy like him be worth anything more than $2.8 or so next year?

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[quote=crawfish;295681]Yes I realize that. But what happens if Brunell has to start for lets say 5 weeks. Can we win with him as our QB? Will our passing game be at an NFL level? I doubt it. Our defense would have to go back to 04-05 form and carry the team.[/quote]

I think you missing the logic of the argument.

1)What he is saying is that both Brunell and Garcia aren't amazing QBs, agreed?

2)But Garcia led a much better Philly team on a playoff run. Brunell had a much worst Washington team, but he pulled off a similar run.

3)Therefore since both QBs are about the same in terms of age and type of QB(short passes/scrambling), Brunell is the better choice because he succeeded in a worst situation. Plus he knows our system better than Garcia does.

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Also like others have said Ratty vs. Brunell for 2nd string seems like an interesting battle. Much better than Collins vs. Brunell.

Also why is this in the Draft section?