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[QUOTE=angryssg;296837]So when Carlos Mencia did the Racial Olympics he wasn't pointing out specific Individuals? Then who was competing?[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about [URL="http://www.ifilm.com/video/2805809/show/17668"]this[/URL]? If not, you need to provide a link.

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[quote=saden1;296834]The main difference between Imus and rappers/comedians is that he called a specific group of women nappy head hos. While not acceptable rappers don't direct insults like that at specific people.

As for comedians they are in the business of satire. Brian (the dog) in Family Guy constantly makes racist comments about black people but no one rides Seth McFarland about it and they shouldn't. What about South Park? Man, they are out there and funny at that. It's making fun of stereotypes and it hurts no one in particular, well, maybe Tom Cruise and Scientologists.

Imus on the other hand said really hurtful things. You may not see it that way but a lot of people do. If Imus' sponsors pull out on him, well, that's his fault. Weather just or not. Would even be allowed on the air again if he said some racist stuff about Jews?

People should be accountable for shit that comes out of their mouths and Imus is getting his. I doubt we have seen the last of him. He'll probably be back after things have cooled down.[/quote]

But what are we achieving as a community by crucifying him? That is what the media and the majority of people are trying to do in this thread. There is a difference from setting an example or just not growing as a society.

It is good to discuss the issue, I mean Imus has some racist issues, but if he does alot of America must too. Instead of making him the scapegoat let's try to discuss why people act like this and try to grow as a society.

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Rob has an interesting point. I guess it's true that a lot of minority comedians make fun of other minority groups or white people and society doesn't bat an eye. But, even if it is hypocritical, it's hard to feel real bad for Imus. The guy is a millionaire who got to talk for living about sports, etc.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;296841]But what are we achieving as a community by crucifying him? That is what the media and the majority of people are trying to do in this thread. There is a difference from setting an example or just not growing as a society.

It is good to discuss the issue, I mean Imus has some racist issues, but if he does alot of America must too. Instead of making him the scapegoat let's try to discuss why people act like this and try to grow as a society.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I don't want to see him fired but I can definitely see advertisers pulling their ads from his show. Like someone else said, it's just business.

I think the main pontificator of this whole thing is the media. They are running wild with it instead of talking about more important issues. In my mind this is just the next best thing after the Anna Nicole Smith saga.

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[QUOTE=saden1;296850]I think the main pontificator of this whole thing is the media. They are running wild with it instead of talking about more important issues. In my mind this is just the next best thing after the Anna Nicole Smith saga.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, there is a war in Iraq and Afghanistan, a possible recession on the horizon, and tons of political scandals, but somehow Imus, lacrosse players, and Anna Nicole seem to be the lead stories. But, then again, those are the stories that I keep making posts about.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;296819]My uncle made a pretty good point to me tonight. He said "You know, if someone like Chris Rock said these comments, we wouldn't ever here about it"...

I kind of agree with him.

Granted, I've despised Imus for quite a long time, but I think my uncle had a point.

IMO I think the only reason he got yanked was because the advertisers pulled out. It was merely a business decision, so don't give MS NBC any credit for being "noble" or anything to that cause.

Imus is and always has been a bastard... so I don't think that's any news.[/QUOTE]

I never heard Christ Rocks say "Long nosed Jewish bitch" or "San Fag-cisco home of the fags."

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[QUOTE=saden1;296854]I never heard Christ Rocks say "Long nosed Jewish bitch" or "San Fag-cisco home of the fags."[/QUOTE]

Is Christ Rocks Jesus' stand-up comedian brother? Just kidding, but did Imus say those things?

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[quote=saden1;296840]Are you talking about [URL="http://www.ifilm.com/video/2805809/show/17668"]this[/URL]? If not, you need to provide a link.[/quote]

Yes, that was it. I guess now your argument will be that those guys volunteered to be on that show. And my rebuttle will be that the Rutgers team volunteered to play for that team, but not to be badgered by Imus so I can see your point. But that is neither here nor there. I already stated that the venue that Imus made those comments in is wrong and the circumstances were wrong. I am merely tring to point out that there is a double standard on crossing the line. If a white commedian were to get up on stage and start making jokes about another ethnicity, the majority of people would boo him off the stage, and he would be the topic of racial discussion for a month. But when roles are reversed, everybody laughs, even the people getting clowned on. Why are things that way?

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[quote=angryssg;296858]Yes, that was it. I guess now your argument will be that those guys volunteered to be on that show. And my rebuttle will be that the Rutgers team volunteered to play for that team, but not to be badgered by Imus so I can see your point. But that is neither here nor there. I already stated that the venue that Imus made those comments in is wrong and the circumstances were wrong. I am merely tring to point out that there is a double standard on crossing the line. If a white commedian were to get up on stage and start making jokes about another ethnicity, the majority of people would boo him off the stage, and he would be the topic of racial discussion for a month. But when roles are reversed, everybody laughs, even the people getting clowned on. Why are things that way?[/quote]

Because once upon a time that same white man might have lynched a black man, and his white buddies would have thought that is funny. Because of years of injustice there is a sort of system in this world in which it is ok for blacks to insult whites. I mean I don't agree with it or advocate either side, it is what it is. Personally I think either people should be able to say things that are stereotypical for jokes, or both nobody should.

I also think alot of it arises from confusion. I doubt Imus or our good friend Krammer interacted with any black people at all. I mean Richards freaking called blacks "afro-americans", who the hell says that anymore?

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[quote=hooskins;296876]Because once upon a time that same white man might have lynched a black man, and his white buddies would have thought that is funny. Because of years of injustice there is a sort of system in this world in which it is ok for blacks to insult whites. I mean I don't agree with it or advocate either side, it is what it is. Personally I think either people should be able to say things that are stereotypical for jokes, or both nobody should.

I also think alot of it arises from confusion. I doubt Imus or our good friend Krammer interacted with any black people at all. I mean Richards freaking called blacks "afro-americans", who the hell says that anymore?[/quote]

My grandpa...and it makes me chuckle every time...he also immediately follows any comment involving a black person..."not that I'm a racist or anything"

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[quote=hooskins;296876]Because once upon a time that same white man might have lynched a black man, and his white buddies would have thought that is funny. Because of years of injustice there is a sort of system in this world in which it is ok for blacks to insult whites. I mean I don't agree with it or advocate either side, it is what it is. Personally I think either people should be able to say things that are stereotypical for jokes, or both nobody should.

I also think alot of it arises from confusion. I doubt Imus or our good friend Krammer interacted with any black people at all. I mean Richards freaking called blacks "afro-americans", who the hell says that anymore?[/quote]

Good points, but have any of us here and now lynched anyone. I doubt it. Why is our generation still paying for the mistakes of those before us. You're right I don't feel that anyone should put another race name in front of American. We are all American's regardless of where our ancestors came from. Furthermore, we are all people. None of us is any better than the other. I like all comedy in the right forum, but the double standards have got to go for us to move foreward. Because as long as that barrier exists, so does racism. I am tired of it personnaly.

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[quote=angryssg;296892]Good points, but have any of us here and now lynched anyone. I doubt it. Why is our generation still paying for the mistakes of those before us. You're right I don't feel that anyone should put another race name in front of American. We are all American's regardless of where our ancestors came from. Furthermore, we are all people. None of us is any better than the other. I like all comedy in the right forum, but the double standards have got to go for us to move foreward. Because as long as that barrier exists, so does racism. I am tired of it personnaly.[/quote]

I agree with you too. It is kinda frustrating but at the same time I think the whole situation is less of problem than overt racism such as slavery, you know?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;296856]Is Christ Rocks Jesus' stand-up comedian brother? Just kidding, but did Imus say those things?[/QUOTE]

No but he did call a group of black girls "Nappy Head Hos" which is as much of an insult IMO.

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[quote=hooskins;296899]I agree with you too. It is kinda frustrating but at the same time I think the whole situation is less of problem than overt racism such as slavery, you know?[/quote]

I'm sorry I have Virginia high school education, you lost me at overt; never mind I just got it. Your right its not as bad as slavery.

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[quote=saden1;296902]No but he did call a group of black girls "Nappy Head Hos" which is as much of an insult IMO.[/quote]

just to play devil's advocate rappers and comedians definitely refer to black women as hos and bitches.

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[quote=hooskins;296906]just to play devil's advocate rappers and comedians definitely refer to black women as hos and bitches.[/quote]

But Snoop said that when he says it, he is refering to little hood rats who are just out there triying to get a man for his money. Imus made the comments about a group of College educated women that were doing things with their lives. And that is the difference. In his opinion.

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[quote=angryssg;296908]But Snoop said that when he says it, he is refering to little hood rats who are just out there triying to get a man for his money. Imus made the comments about a group of College educated women that were doing things with their lives. And that is the difference. In his opinion.[/quote]

I know and I have never supported what Imus said, I am just saying there is a double standard out there.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;296858]Yes, that was it. I guess now your argument will be that those guys volunteered to be on that show. And my rebuttle will be that the Rutgers team volunteered to play for that team, but not to be badgered by Imus so I can see your point.[/QUOTE]

I don't know what you're trying to say or the point you are trying to make dude. Also there is a huge difference between being badgered and being insulted. Having telemarketers call your home phone is being badgered. Having a well known media personality with a lot of listeners call you a "Nappy Head Ho" is not.

[QUOTE=angryssg;296858]I am merely tring to point out that there is a double standard on crossing the line. If a white commedian were to get up on stage and start making jokes about another ethnicity, the majority of people would boo him off the stage, and he would be the topic of racial discussion for a month. But when roles are reversed, everybody laughs, even the people getting clowned on. Why are things that way?[/QUOTE]

Perhaps black people are too sensitive? Perhaps there aren't white comedians with some balls or capable of pulling it of right? Give me an example of the kind of black jokes you would like to see a white comedian do. Or the kind of jokes you'd like a black comedian stop doing.

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[quote=saden1;296929]



Perhaps black people are too sensitive? Perhaps there aren't white comedians with some balls or capable of pulling it of right? Give me an example of the kind of black jokes you would like to see a white comedian do. Or the kind of jokes you'd like a black comedian stop doing.[/quote]

I dont know about specific jokes but black people in general really need to stop using "nigga" all the time. And I hang out with a bunch of black people especially when I am back at NOVA, and then our non-black friends also start saying it. It is fine but after a while it just makes you sounds stupid. It is almost insulting to use a word that slave owners once referred to black people as.

I just think it is a stupid term and just stupid to distinguish between nigger and nigga. Neither should be used.

And this isnt just me, many significant black leaders think the usage of the word is offensive and shouldnt be used.

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[quote=Mattyk72;295821]I've always thought Imus was a jackass, this just proves it.[/quote] Matty your wrong he is not a jackass he's a racist biget, just like rush limbaurgh,..........a jackass can be forgiven, as a blackman he would made those comments about my child who played on that team I would have whooped his shaggy dog,..old prune ass.....whoever dont like that ........TO DAMN BAD

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[quote=100% PURE WHOOP ASS;296935]Matty your wrong he is not a jackass he's a racist biget, just like rush limbaurgh,..........a jackass can be forgiven, as a blackman he would made those comments about my child who played on that team I would have whooped his shaggy dog,..old prune ass.....whoever dont like that ........TO DAMN BAD[/quote]

See no offense bud, but I think this is the exact kind of stuff that I am talking about. The majority of America wants to crucify him and make him the scapegoat, but he isnt to blame for the issue for racist. I am sure a shitload of people may have thought similar things as Imus and I am sure a lot of people found it funny, and are now talking about how it is a bad thing.

My point is racism is present everywhere, but instead of addressing the problem we hide it until its ugly head comes out after an issue like this. We as Americans need to discuss stuff like this and try to accomplish something rather than just blaming someone and making them the scapegoat.

That does absolutely nothing at all.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;296906]just to play devil's advocate rappers and comedians definitely refer to black women as hos and bitches.[/QUOTE]

Lets get this straight, comedians and rappers refer to all women who do ho'ish things hos regardless of race. I can't recall ever hearing them utter "...Black Ho." Just because the rapper is black and he calls women hos doesn't mean he is talking about black women.

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[quote=saden1;296937]Lets get this straight, comedians and rappers refer to all women who do ho'ish things hos regardless of race. I can't recall ever hearing them utter "...Black Ho." Just because the wrapper is black and he calls women hos doesn't mean he is talking about black women.[/quote]
Oh I know, but along with racism Don Imus made a sexist statement which is an issue.

I think the issue is a combination of sexism and racism which needs to be addressed. Like I said I am playing devil's advocate. I dont support what he said, but if you read my last post which was a response to 100% Whoopass; I think that summarizes my position well.

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[quote=saden1;296929]I don't know what you're trying to say or the point you are trying to make dude. Also there is a huge difference between being badgered and being insulted. Having telemarketers call your home phone is being badgered. Having a well known media personality with a lot of listeners call you a "Nappy Head Ho" is not.



Perhaps black people are too sensitive? Perhaps there aren't white comedians with some balls or capable of pulling it of right? Give me an example of the kind of black jokes you would like to see a white comedian do. Or the kind of jokes you'd like a black comedian stop doing.[/quote]

If I knew the answers to those questions, then I would be a commedian. But the ones that I would like to see stopped are the frequent stereo types about whites that sound like this.
Cant Dance or got no rythm, are rich, never struggled through life because they're white, speak proplely, have small genitles, have no coordination, like mayonaise, dont get into trouble for no reason by cops, have no understanding of black culture, hate hot sauce, good at ice skating and hockey, cant jump, are slow, are racist, cold weather people, like to eat p****, afraid of people that aren't white, dont know how to F*** his girl right, will just stand there if something pops off. Look the list goes on and on. Either its ok for all commedians to do jokes like this or none.

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[URL="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7601368"]Check this out[/URL].

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[quote=hooskins;296932]I dont know about specific jokes but black people in general really need to stop using "nigga" all the time. And I hang out with a bunch of black people especially when I am back at NOVA, and then our non-black friends also start saying it. It is fine but after a while it just makes you sounds stupid. It is almost insulting to use a word that slave owners once referred to black people as.

I just think it is a stupid term and just stupid to distinguish between nigger and nigga. Neither should be used.

And this isnt just me, many significant black leaders think the usage of the word is offensive and shouldnt be used.[/quote]
To me. saden, this is the main problem. I am very familiar with black culture, jokes and community. I still think it is a huge issue.

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I listened to it. In my opinion respect is a two way street. It is either ok for everyone to make jokes of that nature or no one at all. Me personally, I like and laugh with those commedians that we afore mentioned. But, those people that were laughing, should not be upset when all of a sudden they are the brunt of somebody else's joke.

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Being insulted is a form of being badgered. You didn't ask for it, and it bothers you that you got it.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;296939]If I knew the answers to those questions, then I would be a commedian. But the ones that I would like to see stopped are the frequent stereo types about whites that sound like this.
Cant Dance or got no rythm, are rich, never struggled through life because they're white, speak proplely, have small genitles, have no coordination, like mayonaise, dont get into trouble for no reason by cops, have no understanding of black culture, hate hot sauce, good at ice skating and hockey, cant jump, are slow, are racist, cold weather people, like to eat p****, afraid of people that aren't white, dont know how to F*** his girl right, will just stand there if something pops off. Look the list goes on and on. Either its ok for all commedians to do jokes like this or none.[/QUOTE]

That kind of stuff is really lowbrow in my opinion. Top tier comedians don't do that kind of material. Most audience members are white and the only way to stop this low lowbrow is for white people not part with their money.

Anywho, we'll talk about this some more tomorrow. Got to sleep now. Peace.

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If Imus is an idiot, what does that make this guy?

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3031167]ABC News: Pa. DJ Fired for Repeating Imus Comments[/url]

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[quote=SUNRA;296130]If a Jewish man makes insults to another Jewish man using degrading remarks related to physical characteristics used to describe Jews by the Nazi's, it reveals a deep level of self-hatred , ignorance and a completely absent knowledge of their history. The reason a white person in the public or private sector should be held accountable for a racist remark against a non-white person is because the very language and racist meaning of the terms were created by whites to attempt to justify their superiority over all non-white people. Coon, Sambo, Negro were used to make an entire race feel that they were less than human. This is the history of America in black and white. Rappers are mental casualties of war who were left to survive for themselves in the streets of America with no real understanding of who they are , where they come from and how words can be used to empower or destroy a peoples minds.[/quote]

Everything you said is on point and historically correct, so I have no bone to pick with this aspect of it. In fact, when something like this does come up, as did with Imus, it tends to be a lot of moving pieces to it and people tend to focus only on the comment(s) itself, as well they should.

I think the problem with Imus' comments, in particular, was that they were so degrading, sexist, and ,yes, racist. That being said, I think blacks tend to get a pass when saying such things and yet consider it base and immoral when a white man pretty much echoes those very sentiments.

In some kind of weird and twisted way, some black or a group of blacks have become an enabler to Imus in his views over the years.

Mike Wilbon wrote a very good article in yesterday's Post about the whole thing.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;297056]If Imus is an idiot, what does that make this guy?

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3031167]ABC News: Pa. DJ Fired for Repeating Imus Comments[/url][/QUOTE]

An opportunist who bit more than he could chew?

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And now the Rutgers womens team is going to be on Oprah today. I mean, enough is enough. Stop giving notice to this. Why aren't the Lady Vols on Oprah? They are the champions after all.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;297065]Mike Wilbon wrote a very good article in yesterday's Post about the whole thing.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, his [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001891.html"]article[/URL] was definately a good one and it seems to confirm that Imus deserved to be fired.

On a related note, am I the only one who doesn't find Mind of Mencia dumb? The guy does nothing but try to appeal to base-level race jokes. Chris Rock makes a lot of such jokes, but his whole career doesn't rest upon them.

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[quote=SmootSmack;297074]And now the Rutgers womens team is going to be on Oprah today. I mean, enough is enough. Stop giving notice to this. Why aren't the Lady Vols on Oprah? They are the champions after all.[/quote]

Media. Everyone has to get their interview now. I've got a feeling we're just seeing the beginning of this.

I'll bet a shiny nickel quite a few rappers are taking note of all this. I'll bet some will drop such lyrics from their songs. Some will talk about the incident.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;297076]Yeah, his [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001891.html"]article[/URL] was definately a good one and it seems to confirm that Imus deserved to be fired.

On a related note, am I the only one who doesn't find Mind of Mencia dumb? The guy does nothing but try to appeal to base-level race jokes. Chris Rock makes a lot of such jokes, but his whole career doesn't rest upon them.[/quote]

I think Mencia and Rock primarily appeal to their respective races. I say primarily because, the certain all attract all colors. But to Mencia...I can take him or leave him.

I mean, not to sound racist, but who are the marquee Hispanic comedians anyway?

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[QUOTE=12thMan;297080]I think Mencia and Rock primarily appeal to their respective races. I say primarily because, the certain all attract all colors. But to Mencia...I can take him or leave him.

I mean, not to sound racist, but who are the marquee Hispanic comedians anyway?[/QUOTE]

Well, there's SmootSmack, George Lopez,Redskins_P, Cheech Marin, Jamf, Greg Giraldo, La Conecion Malcolm

Mencia rips off Cosby

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;297083]Well, there's SmootSmack, George Lopez,Redskins_P, Cheech Marin, Jamf, Greg Giraldo, La Conecion Malcolm

Mencia rips off Cosby[/QUOTE]

Mencia rips off [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsq1uTLBHBc]everybody[/url] (NSFW: language).

He's just not very talented.

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Here's an excellent article on the whole Imus ordeal. It's long, but if you have the time it's a great read.

It talks about how do we know where the line is on offensive comments? Paraphrasing a bit, comics are constantly throwing out racially charged jokes. "But there are as many lines in the sand as there are people."

We continually define where the lines are by discussing it, debating it. And when the Rutgers women stood up at their press conference and expressed their reaction, they drew a line in the sand that we could all agree on.

[url=http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1609490-1,00.html]The Imus Fallout: Who Can Say What? | TIME[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;297087]Here's an excellent article on the whole Imus ordeal. It's long, but if you have the time it's a great read.

It talks about how do we know where the line is on offensive comments? Paraphrasing a bit, comics are constantly throwing out racially charged jokes. "But there are as many lines in the sand as there are people."

We continually define where the lines are by discussing it, debating it. And when the Rutgers women stood up at their press conference and expressed their reaction, they drew a line in the sand that we could all agree on.

[URL="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1609490-1,00.html"]The Imus Fallout: Who Can Say What? | TIME[/URL][/quote]


I'll check the article out in a minute. But as previously stated, I think he crossed the line when he specifically directed his comments at the players specifically, as opposed to making a general statement.