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At worst the D line should rush the QB in making erratic throws. Landry gives us a great potential run stopper and pass rusher. Damn Williams could go nuts and blitz both ST and Landry. Someone might get decapitated this season!!!!!!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;307713]I think he sizes up better than anyone you've listed. Of course he can be replaced....that's only common sense, anyone can.

So you pay someone else big bucks to come in and do the job of someone who is very productive? That makes ZERO sense to me.

And forget who Cooley is, NOT HARDLEY, look around the stadium look how many 47 jerseys you see if you go to any games. He will get the paycheck that he deserves, hopefully from us.

If any team looking for a top tier TE in the entire league and CC was available, they would jump all over CC.[/quote]

well put man cooley is a top 7 te in the nfl

1. gates
2. gonzalez
3. shockley (not consistent)
4. heap
5a. crumpler (drops too many balls)
5b. cooley

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[quote=dmek25;307735]character is good, but we have to get us somebody in here that can play. as i said before, i think Cooley is a fine tight end. but not a break the bank tight end, dude[/quote]


look at what daniel graham got cooley deserves the same thing if not more

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[quote=J. Spanky;307732]not sure if its been said yet, but cooley is the only receiver to have already demonstrated chemistry with campbell. THIS IS CRUCIAL. i hope they are BOTH here winning years from now.[/quote]


that is true campbell already said that CC is his favorite reciever

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;307757]look at what daniel graham got cooley deserves the same thing if not more[/quote]Exactly. It's not like anyone can say he hasn't earned his money. He's not going to ask us to break the bank for him, just give him a deal that rivals Grahams. Lord knows hes a better player than Graham.

This is the kind of guy we should want to invest in.

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Cooley must be a priority for this franchise, this year.

Last season he was 3rd in the NFC in recieving yards for TE's

His stats were: 734 yards and 6 TD's

The two guys who had more yards were;

Witten 754 yards but only managed 1 TD to Cooley's 6.

Crumpler who amassed 780 yards, but is easily Atlanta's number one recieving option and should have alot more yards than Cooley, who had to compete with Moss, ARE and Lloyd for catches.

So, Cooley based on those stats is the best TE in the NFC, also, he was barely thrown to early in the season and really only got the ball thrown his way consistently once Campbell started. How Cooley didn't make the pro bowl still puzzles me!

He has amazing hands, is a good blocker, good burst to get open, great motor always giving 100%, has great presence on the field (Who wouldn't go into battle with captain chaos?!) and on top of all that is a very marketable player.

There is every reason to resign him and none not to.

He will be resigned!

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[QUOTE=dmek25;307735]character is good, but we have to get us somebody in here that can play. as i said before, i think Cooley is a fine tight end. but not a break the bank tight end, dude[/QUOTE]

If someone throws Dockery numbers at him, I would agree with you (and by "Dockery Numbers", I mean an amount truly out of whack w/ the going rate for TE's). Otherwise, b/c he is as talented as any (and I mean ANY) TE out there - you find a way to resign him.

I don't think it is going to be easy unless they get to him early. The cap jumps by about 10 million next year. While we may be 5M under this year, a lot of salaries balloon next year, other teams will have a lot of cap room to spare and use to bid against us.

Hopefully, we have learned something from the Antonio Pierce fiasco.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;307785]
I don't think it is going to be easy unless they get to him early. The cap jumps by about 10 million next year. While we may be 5M under this year, a lot of salaries balloon next year, other teams will have a lot of cap room to spare and use to bid against us.
[/QUOTE]

Exactly, if he gets to the free market, who knows what he is going to cost!

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cooley will be resigned

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the people around here screaming that Cooley be resigned will be the same ones that bitch about the redskins over paying for him

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[quote=Aussie_Skins_Fan;307784]Cooley must be a priority for this franchise, this year.

Last season he was 3rd in the NFC in recieving yards for TE's

[B][I] His stats were: 734 yards and 6 TD's

The two guys who had more yards were;

Witten 754 yards but only managed 1 TD to Cooley's 6.

Crumpler who amassed 780 yards, but is easily Atlanta's number one recieving option and should have alot more yards than Cooley, who had to compete with Moss, ARE and Lloyd for catches.[/I][/B]

So, Cooley based on those stats is the best TE in the NFC, also, he was barely thrown to early in the season and really only got the ball thrown his way consistently once Campbell started. How Cooley didn't make the pro bowl still puzzles me!

He has amazing hands, is a good blocker, good burst to get open, great motor always giving 100%, has great presence on the field (Who wouldn't go into battle with captain chaos?!) and on top of all that is a very marketable player.

There is every reason to resign him and none not to.

He will be resigned![/quote]

Not only that, he did a lot more with a lot less (receptions).

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Cooley has earned his payday here. Sign him and get it over with!

Whoever thinks that we wouldn't miss Cooley if we had a 12 sack DE must be smoking something. How could we not miss our top possesion receiver (who is on the verge being a perinnial Pro Bowler) because we had a DE who gets less than 1 sack per game?

Sign Cooley and address the DE, DT positions early in the draft or free agency next year.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;307785]If someone throws Dockery numbers at him, I would agree with you (and by "Dockery Numbers", I mean an amount truly out of whack w/ the going rate for TE's). Otherwise, b/c he is as talented as any (and I mean ANY) TE out there - you find a way to resign him.

I don't think it is going to be easy unless they get to him early. The cap jumps by about 10 million next year. While we may be 5M under this year, a lot of salaries balloon next year, other teams will have a lot of cap room to spare and use to bid against us.

Hopefully, we have learned something from the Antonio Pierce fiasco.[/quote]


I hope you are right about this. My worry is unless we franchise him there is no way he is going to resign early and not test the open market. If his agent is worth anything his advice to Chris is play out your contract and test the open market. What would Cooley have to gain by signing early other than maybe a little goodwill from the fans and team - he would literally lose millions by not testing the market. I think most of us would test the open market if we were in his shoes - Dock did and the Bills throw an absurd amount at him.

So in my opinion if talks break down you have to think the Skins will franchise him - you can't take the risk of losing him for nothing because everyone knows teams will go after Cooley - especially if he is an unrestricted free agent.

Finally - does anyone know who Cooley's agent is? Hopefully not someone too hard to deal with.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;307801]the people around here screaming that Cooley be resigned will be the same ones that bitch about the redskins over paying for him[/QUOTE]

Not neccessarily. I think the Dockery signing is a perfect example. Everyone wanted to resign him but not at the TRULY exhorbitant numbers. No one talked of Dockery being a top 10 guard.

I think we should be up for paying the guy a premium. After letting AP get away over a relatively small percent, I would hope they've learned their lesson. To a certain extent, they have set the market for themselves. If you're gonna throw money at new guys - then treat the locals with the same respect.

Once they've paid off a few talented character guys and stopped overpaying for other guys FA's THEN we can bitch about paying too much for our own - maybe not premium - players.

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[quote=Aussie_Skins_Fan;307784]Cooley must be a priority for this franchise, this year.

Last season he was 3rd in the NFC in recieving yards for TE's

His stats were: 734 yards and 6 TD's

The two guys who had more yards were;

Witten 754 yards but only managed 1 TD to Cooley's 6.

Crumpler who amassed 780 yards, but is easily Atlanta's number one recieving option and should have alot more yards than Cooley, who had to compete with Moss, ARE and Lloyd for catches.

So, Cooley based on those stats is the best TE in the NFC, also, he was barely thrown to early in the season and really only got the ball thrown his way consistently once Campbell started. How Cooley didn't make the pro bowl still puzzles me!

He has amazing hands, is a good blocker, good burst to get open, great motor always giving 100%, has great presence on the field (Who wouldn't go into battle with captain chaos?!) and on top of all that is a very marketable player.

There is every reason to resign him and none not to.

He will be resigned![/quote]Receiver yardade, in general, is troublesome, BUT in this case I feel your numbers are very relivant.

Cooley isn't our number one target. For the second straight season now, he has led all TEs in YAC. That play against Carolina, he's the only TE in the league who does it. That's a knockdown for most guys, a catch and tackle for the good ones, a long gain for an elite few, but Cooley is the only one who has the speed and balance, much like a RB out there, to take that one the distance.

His blocking is the only thing holding him back from being the league's top TE, and that should improve over time.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;307870]Not neccessarily. I think the Dockery signing is a perfect example. Everyone wanted to resign him but not at the TRULY exhorbitant numbers. No one talked of Dockery being a top 10 guard.

I think we should be up for paying the guy a premium. After letting AP get away over a relatively small percent, I would hope they've learned their lesson. To a certain extent, they have set the market for themselves. If you're gonna throw money at new guys - then treat the locals with the same respect.

Once they've paid off a few talented character guys and stopped overpaying for other guys FA's THEN we can bitch about paying too much for our own - maybe not premium - players.[/quote]

I agree! I don't know of one sole that would be against or would be crying about paying our own, that ARE top tier players in this league their fair market price.

I think it would be the other way around. If you DID NOT pay a player that has proven to be either the BEST or VERY CLOSE TO at their position, and let them go and give somebody else the payday.

Take care of your proven players and leaders FIRST! Pay them accordingly.

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Cooley is certainly worthy of the franchise tag, I don't see the team letting him get away under any circumstances. This year the franchise tag value for TEs is $4.28 million. That will go up some next year, but certainly the Redskins can fit the one-year franchise tag value under their cap next season.

Many salaries do indeed baloon next year, but there definitely is enough flexibility to restructure some players and cut others. Letting Brunell go after this year will trim at least $3.5 million off our 2008 cap. Cutting Phillip Daniels would trim another $3.0 million. We have the flexibility we need, we can take care of Cooley for the long term or we can franchise him.

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[quote=Schneed10;307882]Cooley is certainly worthy of the franchise tag, I don't see the team letting him get away under any circumstances. This year the franchise tag value for TEs is $4.28 million. That will go up some next year, but certainly the Redskins can fit the one-year franchise tag value under their cap next season.

Many salaries do indeed baloon next year, but there definitely is enough flexibility to restructure some players and cut others. Letting Brunell go after this year will trim at least $3.5 million off our 2008 cap. Cutting Phillip Daniels would trim another $3.0 million. We have the flexibility we need, we can take care of Cooley for the long term or we can franchise him.[/quote]The problem with the franchise tag is that with all the escalators, it's essentially a one year thing. Works fine for 2008, but wouldn't using the tag on a guy make it harder to get a long term deal done.

I realize it could buy us more time, and that alone could be worth it, but we won't have the cap room in 2009 to Franchise him again. I'd like to see a deal done before November.

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Does anyon know when the lat time was that the Redskins re-did a contract during the season? Was it Lavar? I'm not sure, but it would be nice to lock Cooley up so we don't have to sweat on it.
Maybe we throw in a couple a more cheerleaders for incentive. Blah, ha, ha ,ha ha, ha!

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We just resigned Betts during the season, and it probably saved the team a ton of money.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;307891]We just resigned Betts during the season, and it probably saved the team a ton of money.[/quote]

True. Good call. Ladell did us right. I hope Cooley sees things that way too.

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[quote=GTripp0012;307887]The problem with the franchise tag is that with all the escalators, it's essentially a one year thing. Works fine for 2008, but wouldn't using the tag on a guy make it harder to get a long term deal done.

I realize it could buy us more time, and that alone could be worth it, but we won't have the cap room in 2009 to Franchise him again. I'd like to see a deal done before November.[/quote]

Yes, signing him to a long term deal would be, [B]quite obviously[/B], preferable to franchising him.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;307895]True. Good call. Ladell did us right. I hope Cooley sees things that way too.[/QUOTE]

Betts was a bit of a different situation though, at the time when he resigned with us i doubt he would have gotten big money anywhere else. No one really knew how good he was, outside of our staff.

Cooley on the other hand has shown over a couple of seasons how good he is and there will be [B]big[/B] money for him out there if he hits the market. So it wouldn't make sense for him to sign a deal like Betts', he is simply worth more than Betts.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;307807]Not only that, he did a lot more with a lot less (receptions).[/QUOTE]

Yeah and as [B]GTripp[/B] pointed out his moves after the catch are the best of any TE in the league. (Forgot about that in my little pro-cooley rant)

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[quote=Aussie_Skins_Fan;307903]Yeah and as [B]GTripp[/B] pointed out his moves after the catch are the best of any TE in the league. (Forgot about that in my little pro-cooley rant)[/quote]

That's OK Aussie, your pro Cooley rant was well recieved! Capn. Chaos would approve.

Welcome aboard!

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;307957]That's OK Aussie, your pro Cooley rant was well recieved! Capn. Chaos would approve.[/QUOTE]

Great to hear!

[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;307957]Welcome aboard![/QUOTE]

Thanks.

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lets just trade a fifth and a seventh for schobel

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I believe that Cooley likes the DC area too much to want to leave. I also believe that he is a true Redskin. I don't see him going anywhere. He has made appearances at Beach Blitz, Keggs n Eggs, and various other things. I think he feels right at home here.

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[QUOTE=Aussie_Skins_Fan;307901]Betts was a bit of a different situation though, at the time when he resigned with us i doubt he would have gotten big money anywhere else. No one really knew how good he was, outside of our staff.

Cooley on the other hand has shown over a couple of seasons how good he is and there will be [B]big[/B] money for him out there if he hits the market. So it wouldn't make sense for him to sign a deal like Betts', he is simply worth more than Betts.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about that. If Betts had hit the open market, he may have had quite a few suitors. He was coming off a career year and teams like Green Bay, Buffalo, the Texans and even Atlanta may have been willing to throw more money at him than we paid for him. Remember, when he resigned, the insanity that was this year's free agency had not yet even been hinted at.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;307882]Many salaries do indeed baloon next year, but there definitely is enough flexibility to restructure some players and cut others. Letting Brunell go after this year will trim at least $3.5 million off our 2008 cap. Cutting Phillip Daniels would trim another $3.0 million. We have the flexibility we need, we can take care of Cooley for the long term or we can franchise him.[/QUOTE]

That's fine. Given the Skins modus operandi, I do not doubt that there would be some flexibility. I haven't looked at the cap sheets so I wasn't sure just how much.

As there will be a 10M bump in the cap next year (which, as I recall, we are already tight against), I was more concerned that, if Cooley hits the open market, we could fairly easily be outbid for him as other teams will have significantly more cap room than us.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;308147]I don't know about that. If Betts had hit the open market, he may have had quite a few suitors. He was coming off a career year and teams like Green Bay, Buffalo, the Texans and even Atlanta may have been willing to throw more money at him than we paid for him. Remember, when he resigned, the insanity that was this year's free agency had not yet even been hinted at.[/QUOTE]

Yeah thats what i was getting at, we resigned him [B]before[/B] he put up those numbers and showed the rest of the league how good he could be. I am sure you are right, that if he waited he would have gotten a big pay day elsewhere on the open market.

Which is why we can't let Cooley hit the open market.

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[quote=Aussie_Skins_Fan;308164]we can't let Cooley hit the open market.[/quote]

I've heard this said about another player and I think it holds true with Cooley...if the 'Skins can't find a way of keeping him here...then I don't want to hear another word out of Gibbs, the FO, or anybody else about "Core Guys" and "True Redskins."

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[quote=Aussie_Skins_Fan;307903]Yeah and as [B]GTripp[/B] pointed out his moves after the catch are the best of any TE in the league. (Forgot about that in my little pro-cooley rant)[/quote]

LOL. Nothing against GTripp, but I wouldn't say that he has a lot of "moves", but he definitely finds a way of breaking tackles.

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cooley + gtripp = true love

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and good afternoon tmc

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Good evening sir. I love the way Cooley somehow NEVER gets brought down.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;308298]cooley + gtripp = true love[/QUOTE]

I think alot of us have man crushes on 47!

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;308269]LOL. Nothing against GTripp, but I wouldn't say that he has a lot of "moves", but he definitely finds a way of breaking tackles.[/QUOTE]

As long as he breaks tackles and continues to pile up the YAC, his 'moves' need to be praised!

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[quote=Aussie_Skins_Fan;308401]I think alot of us have man crushes on 47![/quote]


Aussie...now,now....Don't get me wrong, I'm a big COOOLEY fan and all!

But, man crush? UH, NO

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I have a "Man Crush on Cooley". I am thinking about getting a poster of him put on my bedroom ceiling, I still have to ask the wife though. JK!