Re: What to do with Springs??
 

this is dumb. unless someone is ready to step up, springs is easily our best corner. why do anything with him other than start him at corner?

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[quote=FRPLG;307924]I still maintain that Rogers' performance last year is WAY underestimated. He had a decent year. We can't judge his whole year based on the dropped INTs. They pissed me off too but in the end he played relatively well. He was not burned terribly often considering we had no pass rush. I suspect that had he caught half of the INTs he dropped no one would be so down on him. The dropped INTs just aren't enough to convince me he can't play. Yet.[/quote]

dropped ITs, getting beat every game, waiting for the guy to come to him and not going after the guy... I could have played better.

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[quote=hesscl34;307922]I'm in... and I already know what I want.[/quote]

Well, it won't matter because you won't win. :D

Also, remember he has to play in the amount of games stated. An injury is NOT going to cost me this bet!

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Malcom, I sent you a PM with a chicken marinade recipe.

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I agree on NOT moving Springs. When you have 2 dominate Safeties, your corners only have to worry about covering the underneath routes tight, leaving each corner the ability to bump their coverage & keep an eye on the QB.

If Landry plays anywhere near what they predict, Smoots, Rogers, & Springs will all look like Pro Bowlers.

Remember it's a TEAM sport.

Cool :cool: :cool: :cool:

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[quote=wushawn;307893]Let me say something about Springs. I DONT LIKE HIM AND NEVER HAVE!!! Anytime this guy has a hangnail he sits out for 4 weeks, reason being is to extend his career to get his money. Hes good when he wants to be, hes all talk im tired of him. hes unreliable and to me USELESS. So what if we made him angry about asking the great shawn springs to take a pay cut, everyone may be on smoot saying hes not as good as springs, but at least he plays with heart unlike this clown. Am i wrong for thinking this way?[/quote]

wow... hide, quick.

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[quote=wushawn;307893]Let me say something about Springs. I DONT LIKE HIM AND NEVER HAVE!!! Anytime this guy has a hangnail he sits out for 4 weeks, reason being is to extend his career to get his money. Hes good when he wants to be, hes all talk im tired of him. hes unreliable and to me USELESS. So what if we made him angry about asking the great shawn springs to take a pay cut, everyone may be on smoot saying hes not as good as springs, but at least he plays with heart unlike this clown. Am i wrong for thinking this way?[/quote]

You're not wrong, as I think that many of us are fed up with him getting hurt (namely last year). But also remember he hasn't missed that many games up to last year and has played his ass off for us when he's been in.

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In 2004 and 2005 he only missed one game for us. I don't think we can really label him as much right now as "injury prone".

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He was hurt for God's sake... give him a break...

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Springs is still way better than Carlos, so we should keep him around for at least next season. If he is again injury ridden, then we can dump him next season. I think he will be fine. I am more concerned about Washington's hip at this point. With all the brouhaha over the potential Briggs trade, I am wondering if Redskin Park knows Washington won't be ready to play come September.

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[quote=hesscl34;307951]He was hurt for God's sake... give him a break...[/quote]

Give em hell hess.....with that said break time is over.

We NEED him on the field this year playing ball, it's statement time!

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Springs isn't one to choose to sit on the bench. He wants to play, even hurt he plays. I have no worries.

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Don't forget the carolina game when springs held steve smith, one of the best recievers in the nfl to just 34 yards. Springs must stay!!! Check out this video of how nasty our defense use to be: [url=http://www.metacafe.com/watch/461033/2004_skins_defense_highlights/]2004 Skins Defense Highlights Video[/url]

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;307936]dropped ITs, getting beat every game, waiting for the guy to come to him and not going after the guy... I could have played better.[/QUOTE]

Well he didn't get beat every game even remotely and the technique they played was dictated by the coaches. for whatever reason they played off all year. Contrary to popular belief CBs don't usually get to decide how far off the WR they play. It is dictated by situation and scheme.

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not convinced. He sucks, and I can't wait for us to fire him.

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[quote=hesscl34;307987]not convinced. He sucks, and I can't wait for us to fire him.[/quote]


Fire who? Chill grasshopper

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Carlos - Loser - Rogers

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[quote=hesscl34;307990]Carlos - Loser - Rogers[/quote]

now, now, hess......

Can't go along with that. The kid will be fine, yea he had a rough year but that's what happen's when you stick a #3 in and make him your #1, and who didn't?

He's been working hard this offseason, I think you will have a change of heart.......he will be MUCH IMPROVED!

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Bet you, bet you, bet you he gets beat over and over.... he's lazy and he doesn't care.

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This is a shame, because 12thMan had this fantasy of you, a Carlos Rogers jersey and some "illegal contact"

But seriously...why are you singling CR out?

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[quote=hesscl34;307997]Bet you, bet you, bet you he gets beat over and over.... he's lazy and he doesn't care.[/quote]


I a gambling man, HOW MUCH?

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[quote=SmootSmack;307999]This is a shame, because 12thMan had this fantasy of you, a Carlos Rogers jersey and some "illegal contact"

But seriously...why are you singling CR out?[/quote]

Because he sucks. Watch him closly. All the other teams knew who to throw against. They knew our weak spot.. If the first game things change, I'll be the first to support him... until he starts looking like last year again.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;308000]I a gambling man, HOW MUCH?[/quote]

Malc and I already have a bet. One is enough.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;308001]Because he sucks. Watch him closly. All the other teams knew who to throw against. They knew our weak spot.. If the first game things change, I'll be the first to support him... until he starts looking like last year again.[/QUOTE]

But you can't really think he was solely responsible for our problems last year do you? I mean surely you saw that we had problems across the board both on defense and offense.

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Did I say that? No. I said that Rogers is lazy and doesn't care.. which means we should cut him loose. He is far from our only problem, but his play last year was down right embarrassing. His attitude sucks too.

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[quote=hesscl34;308004]Did I say that? No. I said that Rogers is lazy and doesn't care.. which means we should cut him loose. He is far from our only problem, but his play last year was down right embarrassing. His attitude sucks too.[/quote]
I think you are very wrong. If I'm not mistaken he spent some of his off season training with yours truly....Darrell Green. That doesn't sound like a player that doesn't care to me.

He also had injuries like many other SKINS did last year. Give the kid a chance he will be just fine. The guy is not a #1 CB at this stage in his career, that's what he was throw into last year, and was not ready.

This year he WILL be much improved!

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I also feel like last season will be a learning experience for him. He most likely will benefit from the struggles of last season and he deff will show great improvement in the upcoming season.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;308006]I think you are very wrong. If I'm not mistaken he spent some of his off season training with yours truly....Darrell Green. That doesn't sound like a player that doesn't care to me.

He also had injuries like many other SKINS did last year. Give the kid a chance he will be just fine. The guy is not a #1 CB at this stage in his career, that's what he was throw into last year, and was not ready.

This year he WILL be much improved![/quote]

He wasn't hurt last year...

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[quote=Slinginsammy06;308007]I also feel like last season will be a learning experience for him. He most likely will benefit from the struggles of last season and he deff will show great improvement in the upcoming season.[/quote]

What he needs is an a*s beating. The only time he really showed himself was after Gibbs chewed out the team and told them all none of them were safe and they better play like they mean it. Saints game.. one of his FEW ITs last year.

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[quote=hesscl34;308008]He wasn't hurt last year...[/quote]

Wrong answer:
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2628715"]ESPN.com - NFL - Skins' Rogers has thumb surgery, may not miss game[/URL]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2630923]ESPN.com - NFL - Broken thumb to sideline Skins CB Rogers vs. Colts[/url]

Re: What to do with Springs??
 

HIS THUMB HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GETTING BEAT... please....

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[quote=hesscl34;308011]HIS THUMB HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GETTING BEAT... please....[/quote]

I don't think I said it did? Chiiiilllllll plllllllzzzz

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Thank God he got sidlined... Anyway, sorry I can't stand him, but I can't. And I really hope he proves me wrong.. or I'll beat him myself!!!

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One of Rogers' biggest problems last year was not holding on to interceptions, a hurt thumb could explain a lot of those drops.

Rogers is not where he should be considering he was the 9th overall pick. But maybe he never should have been that in the first place. Not really a debate I want to get into, just saying maybe he's just a really good #2 or even nickel back but not the shut down corner we'd expect from someone drafted so high. But, is it his fault he got drafted that high?

I think so long as we don't ask him to be the man, Rogers can be a very valuable member of this team.

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We Should Keep Him Cause Roger Has Shown He Is Not Goin To B A Number 1 Cb So Y Let Go Of Our Number 1 Cb N Leave Us Wit 3 Number 2 Cb Jus Doesnt Make Sense

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[quote=SmootSmack;308015]One of Rogers' biggest problems last year was not holding on to interceptions, a hurt thumb could explain a lot of those drops.

Rogers is not where he should be considering he was the 9th overall pick. But maybe he never should have been that in the first place. Not really a debate I want to get into, just saying maybe he's just a really good #2 or even nickel back but not the shut down corner we'd expect from someone drafted so high. But, is it his fault he got drafted that high?

I think so long as we don't ask him to be the man, Rogers can be a very valuable member of this team.[/quote]

I think when it comes to development, we all got spoiled by how quickly Champ developed into a top notch CB. Rogers is only through two seasons, and guess what, he's not Champ Bailey. Maybe it's just taking more time for him to develop. He could still be a top flight CB in this league.

Last year he did get burned his fair share and dropped INTs. I'm not making excuses for that. But he also did have to cover for other deficiencies in the secondary. Let's see what he can do in GW's adusted scheme.

Besides, getting rid of Rogers makes no sense from a cap standpoint. Might as well let him show what he can do this season.

EDIT: By the way Smootsmack this post was not directed at you, I just quoted you because I agreed with your points.

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welcome, and what the heck did you just say?

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[quote=ThaGoldenEra;308016]We Should Keep Him Cause Roger Has Shown He Is Not Goin To B A Number 1 Cb So Y Let Go Of Our Number 1 Cb N Leave Us Wit 3 Number 2 Cb Jus Doesnt Make Sense[/quote]


Where you from ThaGold? huuuuuuuuh?

Talk about not making sense............................

Re: What to do with Springs??
 

kick him in the ass and let him stay

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[QUOTE=ThaGoldenEra;308016]We Should Keep Him Cause Roger Has Shown He Is Not Goin To B A Number 1 Cb So Y Let Go Of Our Number 1 Cb N Leave Us Wit 3 Number 2 Cb Jus Doesnt Make Sense[/QUOTE]

Translation: We should retain the services of Mr. Shawn Springs. I suggest this course of action based on previously collected data demonstrating that Carlos Rogers is incapable of serving as our #1 cornerback. Ergo, the dismissal of the aforementioned Springs will result in the team having no true #1 cornerback. Ipso facto we would instead three #2 cornerbacks (Rogers, Smoot, and Macklin).

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