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[QUOTE=4mrusmc;316505][quote=SmootSmack;316478]
Sorry smooty but I think you are missing the point. I AM bitching about a defense that under acheived last year. And how our team's focus is not addressing it. We have D-lineman worring about car shows at Redskins Park. Redskins Park, you know a football place. Sure, if you want to have a diversion or two in your off time, I can get with that. But, at Redskin Park, it should be about football buisness only and improving upon a terrible showing defensively. If I were the coach or owner, that is what I would say. Like I said I am still smarting over last year, and I wish I could be a better person like you and forget that, but maybe in time I will. But, for this team to absolutely do nothing in the offseason to try to improve at the D-line position is simply just wrong headed. And then to try to fix the problem with a bunch of defensive backs?.?. I don't know what the coaches saw last year, but as a fan I saw alot of deficiencies on the front line. And, it also kind of grinds my gears to see these high dollar players trott out their expensive cars that they paid for with their fat pay checks, that IMHO that they for the most part did not earn with the play on the field that I saw last year.[/QUOTE]

Ok, whatever.

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People complain that we've mortgaged our draft in the past, then when we don't profligately throw picks at an aging Dlineman people complain about that. Like Matty said, if there was someone on the market the Skins would go for him but there is not, and the fact that they have so far (knock on wood) remained committed to the draft for next year is a good development.

It also suggests that Gibbs is going to be sticking around in some capacity after his contract is up, otherwise why build for the future?

As for the car show stuff, reminds me of that guy last year who said Cooley needed to take his mind off cheerleaders.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;316510]People complain that we've mortgaged our draft in the past, then when we don't profligately throw picks at an aging Dlineman people complain about that. Like Matty said, if there was someone on the market the Skins would go for him but there is not, and the fact that they have so far (knock on wood) remained committed to the draft for next year is a good development.

It also suggests that Gibbs is going to be sticking around in some capacity after his contract is up, otherwise why build for the future?

As for the car show stuff, reminds me of that guy last year who said Cooley needed to take his mind off cheerleaders.[/QUOTE]

I think the first two words of your post sum it up best "People complain" We could go 15-1 and there would be people who'd say "How did we lose that one game?!"

It's just the way it is

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[quote=SmootSmack;316512]I think the first two words of your post sum it up best "People complain" We could go 15-1 and there would be people who'd say "How did we lose that one game?!"

It's just the way it is[/quote]

I think it's human nature for alot of folks to be complainers, no matter what.

Your are correct Mod man.

On the thread, we have some serious depth at CB, I would think a few might have to go....? Beats the heck out of the other problem we had last season, no depth at CB.

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I agree, now it's time to start working on TD-producing depth.

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"CORNERING THE MARKET
When it comes to free agency, the Redskins do not have a reputation of being spendthrifts. But check out what they did Thursday.

More than three years after they signed restricted free-agent cornerback Jerametrius Butler to a six-year, $15.04 million offer sheet that included a $4 million signing bonus that the St. Louis Rams matched, the Redskins signed Butler on Thursday to a one-year, veteran-minimum, $595,000 contract.

They now will get Butler's services this season at a considerably cheaper rate than they would have had he been playing under the offer sheet that they signed him to, which was due to pay him $2 million in base salary this season.

Also, Butler becomes the latest addition to a position in which the Redskins have hoarded players this offseason. Already the Redskins have signed former Vikings cornerback Fred Smoot, former Cardinals cornerback David Macklin and now former Rams cornerback Butler, who was cut earlier this week after starting 31 games in St. Louis.

Washington knows a team never can have enough quality cornerbacks and with Shawn Springs and Carlos Rogers also in Washington, the Redskins have loaded up. "



Pretty clever title, huh.


[URL="http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10217481"]NFL.com - NFL News[/URL]

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[quote=Warpath;316367]How many guys in the secondary are we going to have? Seems to me we have alot:
[B]Carlos Rogers CB
Fred Smoot CB
Shawn Springs CB
Sean Taylor S
LaRon Landry S[/B]
Pierson Prioleau S
Vernon Fox S
Reed Doughty S
Omar Stoutmire S
David Maclin CB
Ade Jimoh CB
John Eubanks CB
Leigh Torrence CB
Byron Westbrook CB
Jerametrius Butler CB[/quote]

We could've used that many LAST year.

Jeremetrious...wow, that's quite a name. :D

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[quote=4mrusmc;316457]That's great, we can never have too many guys trying-out for jobs to play in our secondary. Since our D-line is so stout against the run, and just awesome at getting preasure on the quarterback, I see why went after this guy. Yep, this makes all the sense in the world. And hey guys did you know that Wynn and Griffin are having car shows at Redskins Park. What?!?! Are you kidding me?!?![/quote]

Would you prefer our guys pass the time in the offseason with dogfighting instead of car shows?

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Word is GW is working on an innovative 1-0-10 lineup to cut down on pass yardage.

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[QUOTE=Oakland Red;316627]Word is GW is working on an innovative 1-0-10 lineup to cut down on pass yardage.[/QUOTE]

Thoughts on the 1-0-10 Defense:

A. Can't be much worse in the run dept. than the standard 4-3 we ran last year.

B. The other team will never know where the blitz is coming from.

C. Are we that worried about M.Washington's and R.McIntosh's injuries?

D. I don't think we have enough NFL quality defensive lineman for the scheme.

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[QUOTE=Oakland Red;316627]Word is GW is working on an innovative 1-0-10 lineup to cut down on pass yardage.[/QUOTE]

You've heard of the Cover 2, now comes the revolutionary Base 2 (or binary) defense

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I think we could end up keep Springs, Smoot, Rodgers, Butler, Jimoh, Macklin. Of course, as mentioned, this would make trading Springs more viable.

If Springs doesn't get traded, I think if anyone had to go it should be Butler. Jimoh isn't injury prone, has been a Redskin for some time, and is one of our best special teamers. Macklin is durable, has started 79 games as a pro, and apparently has a phenomenal work ethic. You know our coaches love that. Butler is a quality player, but he's only played 6 games the past two seasons. He hasn't had an INT or a pass defensed since 2004. Not good.

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On NFL radio Corey Chavous just raved about Butler and how great he'll be in our system. Really gave a pretty nice breakdown of the skins.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;316632]Thoughts on the 1-0-10 Defense:

A. Can't be much worse in the run dept. than the standard 4-3 we ran last year.

B. The other team will never know where the blitz is coming from.

C. Are we that worried about M.Washington's and R.McIntosh's injuries?

D. I don't think we have enough NFL quality defensive lineman for the scheme.[/quote]
Haha letter (D.) had me rolling. I don't understand how some people here can just say going "5-11 is no big deal, heck we'll get'em next year." I like to compete and have a good showing on the field. What I don't like is to get beat year after year, and look like a joke. If some of you guys can get down with that, more power to you. But, if I go to a game, and pay a couple hundred dollars for some descent seats, and cheer on my team, I want to see positive results, and good effort. That is how I roll. But, back to the thread at hand, yeah we are very deep at corner now, woohoo.

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[quote=4mrusmc;316667]Haha letter (D.) had me rolling. I don't understand how some people here can just say going "5-11 is no big deal, heck we'll get'em next year." I like to compete and have a good showing on the field. [B]What I don't like is to get beat year after year, and look like a joke. [/B]If some of you guys can get down with that, more power to you. But, if I go to a game, and pay a couple hundred dollars for some descent seats, and cheer on my team, I want to see positive results, and good effort. That is how I roll. But, back to the thread at hand, yeah we are very deep at corner now, woohoo.[/quote]

The part that I put in bold is what really gets me too. The way we have spent so stupidly since The Danny took over with practically nothing to show for it is sickening. I know this is off topic with the thread, but I have a friend who HATES the Skins, and he constantly calls our team "a punchline." It makes my skin crawl, but he's right for the most part. Not overall, but for the last 15 years or so. And it makes me sick. Hopefully this depth at corner can help in some way to reverse the awful trend.

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Remind me again -- who was the last defensive back we got from the Rams?

Actually, I like this signing. An injury or two in the secondary and we could see Carlos and Fred starting at corner.

Yikes.

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc;316667]Haha letter (D.) had me rolling. I don't understand how some people here can just say going "5-11 is no big deal, heck we'll get'em next year." I like to compete and have a good showing on the field. What I don't like is to get beat year after year, and look like a joke. If some of you guys can get down with that, more power to you. But, if I go to a game, and pay a couple hundred dollars for some descent seats, and cheer on my team, I want to see positive results, and good effort. That is how I roll. But, back to the thread at hand, yeah we are very deep at corner now, woohoo.[/QUOTE]

All of us, save 5Rings, want the Redskins to win. And no one is happy when they lose. To accuse any of us otherwise is ridiculous.

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Maybe Butler could put on 200 pounds or so and we could convert him to a d-lineman.LOL.

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[quote=GMScud;316652]I think we could end up keep Springs, Smoot, Rodgers, Butler, Jimoh, Macklin. Of course, as mentioned, this would make trading Springs more viable.

If Springs doesn't get traded, I think if anyone had to go it should be Butler. Jimoh isn't injury prone, has been a Redskin for some time, and is one of our best special teamers. Macklin is durable, has started 79 games as a pro, and apparently has a phenomenal work ethic. You know our coaches love that. Butler is a quality player, but he's only played 6 games the past two seasons. He hasn't had an INT or a pass defensed since 2004. Not good.[/quote]


I really think we will end up keeping all of them. See, Butler will be used more in dime and prevent and is a good insurance policy in case we need him to come in for someone who is injured. Also, he has said that he really wants to help out on special teams and to me that is a great thing for him because it somewhat eliminates the need to use some starters on special teams.

Macklin will be our top "2nd stringer" with the most likely scenario being that Springs, Smoot, and Rogers will all garner the "starter" label. David Macklin is a very effective veteran who doesnt get talked about. He is like the 2nd string and nickel corners for the Pats before Asante Samuels emerged. They aren't flashy and aren't the most gifted athletes but, they are workout warriors and they go out on the field get the job done.

Our safety situation will more than likely go as follows: Sean and Laron will start with Priloeau and Stoudmire doing what they did best in 2005, which was putting pressure on the quarterback and guarding the flats which in turn will allow the linebackers to worry less about that area and be more focused to making plays near the line of scrimmage which in turn will also lead to better D-line play. (although it would not hurt top pick up one more vet to add to the rotation) It is like Matty said "You can never have enough depth." It is one big domino effect when one area plays well the others will follow suit. I know the saying goes "It all starts up front" but when you really break down our defense in 2006 even when the D-line managed to get pressure on the Quarterback he was still able to make passes for the simple fact that we could not cover anyone.

P.S. What ever happened to Demetric Evans? He was a very good rotation DE in the later part of 2005 and then he just vanished. Even Chris Clemons was good for us but i know he released him.

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[quote=Beemnseven;316701]Remind me again -- who was the last defensive back we got from the Rams?

Actually, I like this signing. An injury or two in the secondary and we could see Carlos and Fred starting at corner.

Yikes.[/quote]
ritchie pettibone?

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[quote=dmek25;316748]ritchie pettibone?[/quote]


Who in the world is that Dmek?[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

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beems ask who the last db the redskins got from the rams. i think it was pettibone

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[quote=dmek25;316757]beems ask who the last db the redskins got from the rams. i think it was pettibone[/quote]


Ok, thanks I was just wondering because I have never heard the name before

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316758]Ok, thanks I was just wondering because I have never heard the name before[/quote]
You've never heard that name before? Uh...Ok. Then who was the defensive coordinator under Joe Gibbs during his first tenure and who took over as head coach when Gibbs resigned?

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[quote=Lady Brave;316759]You've never heard that name before? Uh...Ok. Then who was the defensive coordinator under Joe Gibbs during his first tenure and who took over as head coach when Gibbs resigned?[/quote]


I really dont know[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

that is a good question

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316760]I really dont know[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

that is a good question[/quote]
Either you're messing with me or you really don't know anything about this team's history. It should be common knowledge for a Redskins fan.

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[quote=Lady Brave;316762]Either you're messing with me or you really don't know anything about this team's history. It should be common knowledge for a Redskins fan.[/quote]

Good point LadyB, these young bucks were still in diapers......and they didn't do to well in history either.

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[quote=Lady Brave;316762]Either you're messing with me or you really don't know anything about this team's history. It should be common knowledge for a Redskins fan.[/quote]


I was messing with you hence the smiley face

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[QUOTE=dmek25;316757]beems ask who the last db the redskins got from the rams. i think it was pettibone[/QUOTE]


That would be Adam Archuleta.

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[quote=Beemnseven;317528]That would be Adam Archuleta.[/quote]



How did people miss that?[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG]