Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=GTripp0012;319446]I would absolutely.

I'd put my money on Bulger getting NFL MVP this year assuming my predicition that the Rams run off 11+ wins in the regular season comes true.

McNabb's good (obviously), but his entire career suggests that his first 6 games of last season were a mirage, and that he got injured before his numbers could be pulled back down to earth. I'd expect him to have another good season again this year, but top 3 is borderline ridiculous. But then again, you know what they say about opinions.[/quote]


I predict the Rams will win 8 at the most.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=GTripp0012;319444]Whatever. King is just throwing his opinion out there. Some points he makes will actaully be right (Donovan won't be as hot as he was in 2006 again), Others (such as Romo and Young being more productive than McNabb) will be wrong. That's not a big deal.

Speaking of opinions, heres how I would have done it:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Everyone else

With everyone else listed in this order:

2. Marc Bulger
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Matt Leinart
5. Tom Brady
6. Carson Palmer
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Matt Schaub
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Drew Brees
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Jason Campbell
13. Byron Leftwich
14. Jay Cutler
15. Vince Young
16. Eli Manning
17. Chad Pennington
18. Steve McNair
19. Jon Kitna
20. Jeff Garcia
21. Trent Green
22. Alex Smith
23. Rex Grossman
24. Tony Romo
25. Jake Delhomme
26. Brett Favre
27. Michael Vick
28. Josh McCown
29. Brodie Croyle
30. Charlie Frye
31. JP Losman
32. Tavaris Jackson[/quote]

Bulger at #2?

Rivers at #3?

Leinart at #4?

Brees at #10?

Schaub at #8?

I must say one thing, at least you're consistent in your "unique" views around here.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=irish;319375]Of course its all speculation but I think the reason someone like JC is ranked so low and Cutler is ranked high is the team they play for. Denver is a proven team that is consistently in the playoff hunt. The Skins are a dysfunctional organization that is currently a perennial loser. I think if JC played for a better team he would be ranked higher.[/quote]

Look at Denver's offense and look at ours. On paper, we have the better offense. We have better RB's, better WR's and a better TE. I would say we are even at QB and O-line.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=GTripp0012;319444]Whatever. King is just throwing his opinion out there. Some points he makes will actaully be right (Donovan won't be as hot as he was in 2006 again), Others (such as Romo and Young being more productive than McNabb) will be wrong. That's not a big deal.

Speaking of opinions, heres how I would have done it:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Everyone else

With everyone else listed in this order:

2. Marc Bulger
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Matt Leinart
5. Tom Brady
6. Carson Palmer
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Matt Schaub
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Drew Brees
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Jason Campbell
13. Byron Leftwich
14. Jay Cutler
15. Vince Young
16. Eli Manning
17. Chad Pennington
18. Steve McNair
19. Jon Kitna
20. Jeff Garcia
21. Trent Green
22. Alex Smith
23. Rex Grossman
24. Tony Romo
25. Jake Delhomme
26. Brett Favre
27. Michael Vick
28. Josh McCown
29. Brodie Croyle
30. Charlie Frye
31. JP Losman
32. Tavaris Jackson[/quote]

No way Rivers and Leinart are ranked higher than McNabb, Palmer, Brees and Brady. I mean you are talking about 4 of the best qb's in football vs two guys who have only started one year. Hell, Leinart hasn't even started 16 games. From what I hear, Leinart is having problems with the new offense. Don't be surprised if you see Kurt Warner at some point this year.

Also how in the world do you have Schaub ahead of McNabb and Brees? That's nuts! McNabb and Brees are MVP type of players. Brees could have easily won the MVP last year.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=skinsfan69;319466]No way Rivers and Leinart are ranked higher than McNabb, Palmer, Brees and Brady. I mean you are talking about 4 of the best qb's in football vs two guys who have only started one year. Hell, Leinart hasn't even started 16 games. From what I hear, Leinart is having problems with the new offense. Don't be surprised if you see Kurt Warner at some point this year.

Also how in the world do you have Schaub ahead of McNabb and Brees? That's nuts! McNabb and Brees are MVP type of players. Brees could have easily won the MVP last year.[/quote]But I'm not talking about last year. I'm projecting this year.

McNabb, Palmer, Brees, and Brady are and will always be successful quarterbacks, but the idea is to pick the guys who are the best in their field for this year. And Rivers, Leinart and Schaub definately fit the criteria.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=Mattyk72;319456]Bulger at #2?

Rivers at #3?

Leinart at #4?

Brees at #10?

Schaub at #8?

I must say one thing, at least you're consistent in your "unique" views around here.[/quote]Alright, why don't you make one and we can go back and see who is more right at the end of the year? Just a friendly gentlemen's bet.

BTW, anyone who wants in on this can. It'd be fun to make a competition out of this.

I think people will be quite surprised. (well, either that or I will) Problem is that everyone will use last year as a baseline for their picks. That will give me a big advantage.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=Mattyk72;319456]Bulger at #2?

Rivers at #3?

Leinart at #4?

Brees at #10?

Schaub at #8?

I must say one thing, at least you're consistent in your "unique" views around here.[/quote]Does different/unique always mean wrong with you?

Time to see for myself. I want to see the changes you would make to King's list. I'm basically calling you out on this one.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=GTripp0012;319471]Does different/unique always mean wrong with you?

Time to see for myself. I want to see the changes you would make to King's list. I'm basically calling you out on this one.[/quote]

I didn't say wrong, just unique.

How are we going to judge this? Will it be based on passer rating?

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=Mattyk72;319472]I didn't say wrong, just unique.

How are we going to judge this? Will it be based on passer rating?[/quote]You did put it in quotes though...

My beef with passer rating as a stat is well documented, but I think in this case it represents a solid middle ground between the stats that I use, and something completely unhelpful like passing yards or something. I'd be cool with passer rating.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

This is pretty damn funny. [URL="http://www.firejoemorgan.com/search/label/intangibles"]It's from the blog FireJoeMorgan.com[/URL]

[QUOTE]King's new column contains the ranking of 32 NFL QBs. What formula does he use to measure these QBs, you might ask?

[B]As for how I arrived at my picks, other than with a divining rod, I used a few measuring sticks. I value wins from my quarterback, which helped Manning and Brady, the leaders in victories over the last two years.[/B]

Fair.

[B]I value postseason success; their seven combined wins over the past two years is significant.[/B]
Sure. I mean, it's more significant than wins by a pitcher.

[B]Completion percentage and yards-per-attempt are the two passing stats I value the most because they tell you how often a quarterback succeeds in efficiently moving the chains through the air.[/B]

This seems good. I might toss in that weird QB Rating thing even though it is impenetrably dense and weird, but COMP% and YPA seems decent. What else?

[B]Finally, intangibles.[/B]

Intangibles. You made a statistic...out of intangibles. You turned "intangibles" into a tangible.

[B]Brady led all passers with a 10 on a 10-point scale, because he's a coach, an offseason facilitator, a free-agent recruiter -- and he does it while retaining respect from the guys he often has to lean on hard.[/B]

And that is worth: 10 intangi-points.
[/QUOTE]

The stuff in bold print is actually from PK himself. You can read the whole thing on that link I posted at the top.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;319477]This is pretty damn funny. [URL="http://www.firejoemorgan.com/search/label/intangibles"]It's from the blog FireJoeMorgan.com[/URL]



The stuff in bold print is actually from PK himself. You can read the whole thing on that link I posted at the top.[/quote]I was going to blog this article on my own, but FJM beat me to it. Crazy bastards!

I guess since I totally ripped by blog style from them, they can have this one.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

Buster expects Peter King to come in 1st in the voting for the "just shut up award" in 2007.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

1. Manning
2. Palmer
3. Brady
4. Brees
5. McNabb
6. Bulger
7. Rivers
8. Hasselbeck
9. Roethlisberger
10. Campbell
11. Cutler
12. Romo
13. Pennington
14. Green
15. Leinart
16. E. Manning
17. Schaub
18. Smith
19. Kitna
20. Leftwich
21. McNair
22. Garcia
23. Young
24. Delhomme
25. Favre
26. Grossman
27. Losman
28. Vick
29. Frye
30. Jackson
31. McCown
32. Croyle

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=GTripp0012;319470]Alright, why don't you make one and we can go back and see who is more right at the end of the year? Just a friendly gentlemen's bet.

BTW, anyone who wants in on this can. It'd be fun to make a competition out of this.

I think people will be quite surprised. (well, either that or I will) Problem is that everyone will use last year as a baseline for their picks. That will give me a big advantage.[/quote]

Wait, wait, so are you saying that you know more about all these guys than the rest of us? :confused:

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

Ranking QB's 1 -32 is absurd, to me. I've always been a fan of the tiered approach.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=724Skinsfan;319485]Ranking QB's 1 -32 is absurd, to me. I've always been a fan of the tiered approach.[/quote]I agree with this. Even so, QBs can be tiered and ranked 1-32.

It's hard to show how strongly you feel about a certain player if he's lumped in with a bunch of other players at the same tier though.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;319483]Wait, wait, so are you saying that you know more about all these guys than the rest of us? :confused:[/quote]I have no more access to any information about these guys than anyone else.

I'm saying that people tend to use the previous season as the baseline for all projections, despite piles of evidence that says 16 games one year will produce very different results from 16 games the next year. I believe by looking at career path projections and career production, I can see the wider picture and project for the current season accordingly.

Even still, that doesn't make me anymore right than anyone else.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=GTripp0012;319444]1. Peyton Manning
2. Marc Bulger
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Matt Leinart
5. Tom Brady
6. Carson Palmer
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Matt Schaub
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Drew Brees
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Jason Campbell
13. Byron Leftwich
14. Jay Cutler
15. Vince Young
16. Eli Manning
17. Chad Pennington
18. Steve McNair
19. Jon Kitna
20. Jeff Garcia
21. Trent Green
22. Alex Smith
23. Rex Grossman
24. Tony Romo
25. Jake Delhomme
26. Brett Favre
27. Michael Vick
28. Josh McCown
29. Brodie Croyle
30. Charlie Frye
31. JP Losman
32. Tavaris Jackson[/quote]

[quote=Mattyk72;319481]1. Manning
2. Palmer
3. Brady
4. Brees
5. McNabb
6. Bulger
7. Rivers
8. Hasselbeck
9. Roethlisberger
10. Campbell
11. Cutler
12. Romo
13. Pennington
14. Green
15. Leinart
16. E. Manning
17. Schaub
18. Smith
19. Kitna
20. Leftwich
21. McNair
22. Garcia
23. Young
24. Delhomme
25. Favre
26. Grossman
27. Losman
28. Vick
29. Frye
30. Jackson
31. McCown
32. Croyle[/quote]Alright, then we can come back to this thread in December.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

None of this means anything at all. It's the off season and the ass clown PK needs to justify a paycheck.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

And may the loser lose a hand!

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

Ban the Loser!

oh, Btw......I say whatever Vegas says on the issue.............coincidentally

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=GTripp0012;319469]But I'm not talking about last year. I'm projecting this year.

McNabb, Palmer, Brees, and Brady are and will always be successful quarterbacks, but the idea is to pick the guys who are the best in their field for this year. And Rivers, Leinart and Schaub definately fit the criteria.[/quote]

I realize that you are projecting for this year. Rivers does not have the WR's, nor does he play in the type of offense that's going to have him put up big bumbers.

Schaub is playing behind a poor line and has only one target at WR. Who is the Texans 2nd wr option?? He's going to struggle.

Leinart could be a top ten but you have him as a top 3. That's probably a little too much of a jump. Remember he is playing in his 3rd offense in three years and he was up and down last year. Plus Arizona has a suspect line as well.

The guy I would look to have a breakout year is JP Loosman. I would have him rated way above Schaub. He really came on at the end of last year.

Re: Larry King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;319261]Peter King is in for a big suprise. He's WRONG AGAIN.......NO SUPRISE THERE.[/quote]


But unfortunately he's not wrong, at least not yet. As much as King is a ******bag, he can confidently predict that any player the Redskins put a lot of stock into will simply not produce the way the organization hoped that player will. The last 15 seasons are enough proof for that. King and fatboy Pasquerelli will take whatever cheapshots they can at the Skins, but the reason we see them taking so many is only because they can. They may be harsh, but if the Redskins were a corporation, and their players were various secuity options, would you really invest your money in any of them, considering the organization's track record? There are organizations that consistently produce, and there are those that consistently do not, and until the Redskins leave the latter party for the former, jerkface King and his annoying cronies will continue to comfortably trash the skins.

Re: Larry King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=Coff;319512]But unfortunately he's not wrong, at least not yet. As much as King is a ******bag, he can confidently predict that any player the Redskins put a lot of stock into will simply not produce the way the organization hoped that player will. The last 15 seasons are enough proof for that. King and fatboy Pasquerelli will take whatever cheapshots they can at the Skins, but the reason we see them taking so many is only because they can. They may be harsh, but if the Redskins were a corporation, and their players were various secuity options, would you really invest your money in any of them, considering the organization's track record? There are organizations that consistently produce, and there are those that consistently do not, and until the Redskins leave the latter party for the former, jerkface King and his annoying cronies will continue to comfortably trash the skins.[/quote]


Said it before and I will say it again: F**K Peter King, and Len Pasta belly those 2 bastards.

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[quote=skinsfan69;319505]I realize that you are projecting for this year. Rivers does not have the WR's, nor does he play in the type of offense that's going to have him put up big bumbers.

Schaub is playing behind a poor line and has only one target at WR. Who is the Texans 2nd wr option?? He's going to struggle.

Leinart could be a top ten but you have him as a top 3. That's probably a little too much of a jump. Remember he is playing in his 3rd offense in three years and he was up and down last year. Plus Arizona has a suspect line as well.

The guy I would look to have a breakout year is JP Loosman. I would have him rated way above Schaub. He really came on at the end of last year.[/quote]I think talk of JP Losman having a good season last year is quite overrated. He held the ball too long and had little success completing passes. I don't think theres anyway he sniffs last years production.

It's impossible for me to predict who will have the biggest role in their offense. That's why I rank the players based on the assumption that they will all throw an equal amount of passes, and hope that my rankings are proven correct. Leinart could finish 3 or 9 (or somewhere in between), but as long as he establishes himself as a clear cut pro bowl talent this year, I'll consider myself correct.

Just be aware that I'm not worried about the talent around a guy in my rankings. Of course that will affect his yardage totals, but I don't put a lot of stock into pure yardage. I'm worried about what a guy does with the opps he has. Schaub and Leinart were phenominal college players with lots of expeience who have shown some great things in limited time at the pro level. No reason to think that they won't be top ten passers this year.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=GTripp0012;319656]I think talk of JP Losman having a good season last year is quite overrated. He held the ball too long and had little success completing passes. I don't think theres anyway he sniffs last years production.

It's impossible for me to predict who will have the biggest role in their offense. That's why I rank the players based on the assumption that they will all throw an equal amount of passes, and hope that my rankings are proven correct. Leinart could finish 3 or 9 (or somewhere in between), but as long as he establishes himself as a clear cut pro bowl talent this year, I'll consider myself correct.

Just be aware that I'm not worried about the talent around a guy in my rankings. Of course that will affect his yardage totals, but I don't put a lot of stock into pure yardage. I'm worried about what a guy does with the opps he has. Schaub and Leinart were phenominal college players with lots of expeience who have shown some great things in limited time at the pro level. No reason to think that they won't be top ten passers this year.[/quote]


ok i agree with the JP Losman part

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=Mattyk72;319481]1. Manning
2. Palmer
3. Brady
4. Brees
5. McNabb
6. Bulger
7. Rivers
8. Hasselbeck
9. Roethlisberger
10. Campbell
11. Cutler
12. Romo
13. Pennington
14. Green
15. Leinart
16. E. Manning
17. Schaub
18. Smith
19. Kitna
20. Leftwich
21. McNair
22. Garcia
23. Young
24. Delhomme
25. Favre
26. Grossman
27. Losman
28. Vick
29. Frye
30. Jackson
31. McCown
32. Croyle[/quote]



Wait I want in on this....................................

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Marc Bulger
4. Carson Palmer
5. Drew Brees
6. Donovan McNabb
7. Jason Campbell (yeah I said it.)
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Ben Rothelisberger
10. Matt Hasselbeck
11. Jay Cutler
12. Tony Romo
13. Chad Pennington
14. Trent Green
15. Alex Smith
16. Matt Leinart
17. Steve McNair
18. Matt Schaub
19. Jon Kitna
20. Brett Favre
21. Jeff Garcia
22. Vince Young
23. Eli Manning
24. Jake Delhomme
25. Michael Vick
26. Byron Leftwich
27. JP Losman
28. Rex Grossman
29. Brodie Croyle
30. Josh McCown/Jamarcus Russell
31. Charlie Frye
32. Tavaris Jackson

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

At the end of the day I don't think we needed this chart to determine that Petey boy doesn't think much of the Skins, but I still think it's kind of low considering the weapons that Campbell has and the time he has put in this offseason.[/QUOTE]


I could not agree more. Yes I am new.:)

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[quote=Skinsfan1967;321075]At the end of the day I don't think we needed this chart to determine that Petey boy doesn't think much of the Skins, but I still think it's kind of low considering the weapons that Campbell has and the time he has put in this offseason.[/quote]


I could not agree more. Yes I am new.:)[/quote]


welcome man tell us about yourself. I love saying that

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[B][I]welcome man tell us about yourself. I love saying that[/QUOTE][/I][/B]

Well,
I am 40 years old.
I live in Frederick MD originally from Charles County MD
I have been a Redskins fan for as long as I can remember
The pride of my Redskins collection is trading cards from 1935-present
When not talking about or watching the Redskins I am a Civil War reenactor

That's me in a nut shell
Thanks for the warm welcome

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[quote=Skinsfan1967;321081][B][I]welcome man tell us about yourself. I love saying that[/I][/B][/quote]

Well,
I am 40 years old.
I live in Frederick MD originally from Charles County MD
I have been a Redskins fan for as long as I can remember
The pride of my Redskins collection is trading cards from 1935-present
When not talking about or watching the Redskins I am a Civil War reenactor

That's me in a nut shell
Thanks for the warm welcome[/quote]


no problem man that is what the warpath is all about

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who gives a shit what that jerry jones ass kissing john gruden loving fat sack of shit peter king says?if hemmoroids were royality,he'd be equal to all the kings of the world?what a stroker!

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

Who the hell is Peter King? He might as well have been Larry King with these rankings. I definitely won't be reading anything he has to say when I start preparing for the up and coming Fantasy Football season.

Re: Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB
 

[quote=hail_2_da_skins;321286]Who the hell is Peter King? He might as well have been Larry King with these rankings. I definitely won't be reading anything he has to say when I start preparing for the up and coming Fantasy Football season.[/quote]


trust me you dont wanna know who peter king is