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[quote=jsarno;357235][B]There are some here that indeed drink that kool aid, then push their kool aid on others. It's OK...just pointing out the irony. [/B]
Like GMan said, sometimes people find solice in the fact that there are others that feel the way they do.
So why not let others vent? Like I said, I don't like the "this team is doomed" comments as much as you do (and for the record I did not say those things like SS implied I did) but let's not get any dilusions that the knee jerk reactions are solely by those that are predicting doom. It's also from those complaining about those same people.[/quote]

Really? News to me. Care to name some names? Shoot me a PM if you want.

The problem is we don't need a bunch of different threads all about playcalling, and a bunch of threads all titled something like "what happened?".

People are free to vent but I think we just need to reel it in a bit at times and check our emotions at the door.

After a win you don't see a bunch of threads crowing about how the game was the best win ever, the playcalling ruled, or Gibbs should be re-signed to a lifetime contract. So why do we have to deal with the exact opposite?

Let's try to maintain some middle ground. Venting when taken to an extreme doesn't add much value to the site in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;357236]The Colts NEVER play conservative and look at them.[/QUOTE]

True, but we shouldn't heap unfair expectations onto this team. The fact is that this is a team that is growing with a young QB - the coaches are trying to figure out his limits and adjust accordingly, the receivers are trying to get down their timing with him, and JC is gaining experience which should serve him well in the future. While many of us have been more than patient with the team, we need to remain patient as JC develops.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;357238]Really? News to me. Care to name some names? Shoot me a PM if you want.

The problem is we don't need a bunch of different threads all about playcalling, and a bunch of threads all titled something like "what happened?".

People are free to vent but I think we just need to reel it in a bit at times and check our emotions at the door.

After a win you don't see a bunch of threads crowing about how the game was the best win ever, the playcalling ruled, or Gibbs should be re-signed to a lifetime contract. So why do we have to deal with the exact opposite?

Let's try to maintain some middle ground. Venting when taken to an extreme doesn't add much value to the site in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I agree to an extent. We do all have a bunch of comments about how wonderful Gibbs is when we win, but I understand your point.
I will PM you.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;357236]For the record SS, I don't want Gibbs fired, I don't think the season is over, I want the coaching staff to stop being conservative and letting other teams back into the game. The Colts NEVER play conservative and look at them.[/QUOTE]

I never said you wanted him fired

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;357231]Wow..Smoot/Gman are going to get into it a little bit today... Now while there is ALOT to what Smoot said...and trust me some of the crap that people write on this site are understandably frustrating, perticularly when someone has to sort through all that crap to remove posts and make sure the sight is going to run smoothly....but theres somthing to what is said here too I think, and I dont agree with Jsnaro on a ton of issues, but I often find this place to be very theraputic to vent after a loss, because instead of people just going "its ok, its just a game..or all the other crap I hear at home" I feel like people here understand the frustrations...so I dont nessicarily think people need to "cool down" before they post anything, because I think posting is part of cooling down and venting your frustrations....now this DOES NOT mean that people should start a million threads about every single little thing that is going on and bothering them, but I think if you want to be hot headed a little bit I think thats a good thing....[/QUOTE]

Hey, I brought you into the mod world and I'll take you out! :)

Seriously though, see what I like is a thread like the one about "What Would You Have Done" about what plays you would have called on the goalline at the end of the game. That's a good thread that sparks legit discussion.

It seems like there have been a lot of good counterpoints to some of the "negative" opinions that have pervaded the site the past couple of days. But, those counterpoints have been largely ignored by most because they just don't want to hear it. They need their time, I suppose, to sulk.

I don't know, maybe it's because (and you can relate to this) we mods are in a bit of a separate position where we [I]have[/I] to read every post. It's mind-numbing to go through some of these posts after each loss.

Anyway, I'll let it go. If people feel better by complaining so be it. I'll never understand that but whatever.

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I'd say that it's more frustration than panic. This was a huge opportunity lost given how tough the schedule gets in the 2nd half.

I'm mostly frustrated that the coaching staff refused to attack a shaky NY secondary that everyone else has shredded so far. I admired how the Cowboys went after Chicago's secondary early with the pass to set up running success later. Perhaps Gibbs/Saunders will take note of that when we host Chicago in December. If they don't call plays to exploit Archuleta in coverage, I'll be amazed.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;357240]True, but we shouldn't heap unfair expectations onto this team. The fact is that this is a team that is growing with a young QB - the coaches are trying to figure out his limits and adjust accordingly, the receivers are trying to get down their timing with him, and JC is gaining experience which should serve him well in the future. While many of us have been more than patient with the team, we need to remain patient as JC develops.[/QUOTE]

I'm not trying to put unrealistic expectation on this team. I know we will have growing pains, but the Skins play better when they are not hand cuffed. I'd rather live and die with unconservative play.
Not once did I say anything negative about JC. Just the coaches.

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[quote=SmootSmack;357199]One example of "not fans" "Not fans" are the ones who are nowhere to be found after the first 2 wins of the season, and then bitch and moan after this loss.

[B]And how would you want us to lose?[/B][/quote]


I would rather have another 36-0 loss to the Giants where we just get dominated, than lose the way we did on Sunday.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;357295]I would rather have another 36-0 loss to the Ginats where we just get dominated, than lose the way we did on Sunday.[/quote]

I would love to agree with you but i just cant, the 36-0 loss was pathetic and the fact that these guys showed fight at the end of the game, despite the horrible plays Saunders was sending in, shows me we have a good team on our hands. I felt sick after the loss but this is my team, has been and always will be til' the day I die, and at the tender age of 22, Im hoping to see the skins play there heart out more and more. We can be mad and trust me I am, but the simple fact is, last year we were a lifeless 5-11 team and this year were a 2-1 fighter who may lose a bad game here or there, but they go down swinging. Campbell showed something on that last drive, and ARE was nearly unstoppable on that last drive, including his monster punt return. Dont be ashamed of this team at all, there very young and losses like this will happen to a team with such youth, but there going to learn from it, Im so excited about where this team is going, sure we lost a game we should have won, but look at the NFC, were still up there in the standings and I think things will only get better.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;357295]I would rather have another 36-0 loss to the Ginats where we just get dominated, than lose the way we did on Sunday.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you're saying...I thought that at first too. But fact is, we were better than them until the play calling stunk up the place. Also, as Giantsuck says, we made a good attack at the end. There is a lot to build on even though it was a crushing loss.
I firmly believe that if we correct the play calling issues, not only do we win that game, but we are one of the best teams in the NFC.

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this thread is stupid

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;357335]this thread is stupid[/QUOTE]

No one said you had to respond to it.

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[quote=htownskinfan;357335]this thread is stupid[/quote]

Thread's not stupid and if its stupid don't waste your time posting.

I, like others here, have come to think that the they way the Skins call plays is kinda shitty in the fact they seem so damn passive. But what do I know? I don't know whats best for the team so I figure management knows whats best and I leave it at that. We can't win them all (But that'd be nice). Like someone posted earlier, I'm pretty young and haven't been able to relish the good ol winning days. And I'm of course sick of the Skins being looked at as the underdog.

But I have seen people near the brink of insanity about how we lost the game on Sunday. And it wasn't anyone in particular, just random people and a lot of time trollers.

I didn't mean for people to get all vicious on each other. :(

Where's the love?

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Show me the LOVE!!!!

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;357295]I would rather have another 36-0 loss to the Giants where we just get dominated, than lose the way we did on Sunday.[/QUOTE]

That's just crazy Quake. If we had lost 36-0 even I would be in freak out mode.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;357355]Thread's not stupid and if its stupid don't waste your time posting.

I, like others here, have come to think that the they way the Skins call plays is kinda shitty in the fact they seem so damn passive. But what do I know? I don't know whats best for the team so I figure management knows whats best and I leave it at that. We can't win them all (But that'd be nice). Like someone posted earlier, I'm pretty young and haven't been able to relish the good ol winning days. And I'm of course sick of the Skins being looked at as the underdog.

But I have seen people near the brink of insanity about how we lost the game on Sunday. And it wasn't anyone in particular, just random people and a lot of time trollers.

I didn't mean for people to get all vicious on each other. :(

Where's the love?[/QUOTE]

maybe i shouldnt have said stupid,I should have said this
[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/19999-fedex-crowd-noise-4.html#post357110[/url]

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;357390]maybe i shouldnt have said stupid,I should have said this
[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/19999-fedex-crowd-noise-4.html#post357110[/url][/QUOTE]

Touche.

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Just wanted to suggest that a happy medium exists between panic and a positive outlook. I've been a fan since the early 90's and cannot remember a more talented group of players, particularly on offense. Yet we struggle to pop the 20 pt cherry each game. That's a matter of coaching/play-calling pure and simple. Call it conservative or whatever - it is what it is. But I'm just saying that even though it's blatantly obvious this team won't be a real contender under Gibbs style of offense there's still a lot to love about the Skins.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;357395]Just wanted to suggest that a happy medium exists between panic and a positive outlook. I've been a fan since the early 90's and cannot remember a more talented group of players, particularly on offense. Yet we struggle to pop the 20 pt cherry each game. That's a matter of coaching/play-calling pure and simple. Call it conservative or whatever - it is what it is. But I'm just saying that even though it's blatantly obvious this team won't be a real contender under Gibbs style of offense there's still a lot to love about the Skins.[/QUOTE]

I gotta agree with you.

It's a shame you didn't see our team in the 80's. I've been a fan since the late 70's, and we had some teams in the 80's that rank up there with some of the best ever.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;357395]Just wanted to suggest that a happy medium exists between panic and a positive outlook. I've been a fan since the early 90's and cannot remember a more talented group of players, particularly on offense. Yet we struggle to pop the 20 pt cherry each game. That's a matter of coaching/play-calling pure and simple. Call it conservative or whatever - it is what it is. But I'm just saying that even though it's blatantly obvious this team won't be a real contender under Gibbs style of offense there's still a lot to love about the Skins.[/QUOTE]

Well I agree with the first line, but everything after "Yet we struggle" I completely disagree with

Welcome to the board though

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From JLC,
"Anyway, we all know the Redskins have choked away their fair share of games since this staff took over in 2004. So I got to thinking how they stood up with other teams, and well, as in the overall W/L record the last 15 years or so, their company ain't pretty.

According to Elias, since 2004 the Redskins have 11 losses when leading at the half, which puts them ... worst in the NFL. Oakland (11) and Houston (10) are the only other teams with double-digit loss totals when leading at the half since Gibbs came back to the NFL.

Overall, Washington is a mediocre 15-11 in 26 games when leading at the half since 2004.

The Redskins used to be the team that got a lead and battered opponents like no one else in the game; now it's the opposite. The rosters aren't nearly as good, the front office not nearly as sound, and say what you will of ownership, game-day coaching decisions, etc.as you consider what this stat means, and what it points to. "

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I've been a fan for 35 plus years. You have to take the good with the bad..you know? i hate bandwagon jumpers. Not only with the skins, but all teams . There is a fair amount of people that like teams that win and change teams every time and jump to other bandwagons. A REAL fan is a fan who sticks with his or her team through all the good and bad times alike anyone else agree?

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[quote=jsarno;357242]I agree to an extent. [B]We do all have a bunch of comments about how wonderful Gibbs is when we win[/B], but I understand your point.
I will PM you.[/quote]

Not even close to the extent of the negativity after a loss.

I've seen it year after year here. After a win everyone is generally happy and in a good mood. There are some butt-kissing posts, but NOTHING compares to what happens after a loss.

When the Skins lose, the board sees almost double the amount of traffic then it does after a win. The number of new threads and posts literally explodes. People that haven't posted in days or even weeks all of a sudden are posting like crazy.

Again, nobody here is trying to control opinions or make anyone conform. We just want to make the forums as enjoyable as possible for everyone, and keep the conversations filled with intelligent debates vs. emotional venting.

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We are fine. Go Skins!! It's a long season and we are only in week 4 with the bye this week. Our guys meaning coaches and players will get this thing rolling again. HAIL!!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;357485]

I've seen it year after year here. After a win everyone is generally happy and in a good mood. There are some butt-kissing posts, but NOTHING compares to what happens after a loss[/quote]

Well, like I said, I do agree with you. I think a lot of people are tired with losing, and it's something this team has done for a LOOOONG time, so people have the knee jerk reaction that this is a doomed team cause the Skins have done nothing to make us think otherwise.
I personally never get bad after a loss, this was a tough for loss for us, and my vents were strictly about the play calling which I still stand by. That needs to change. But again, I do understand what you're saying, and I agree. I generally ignore the negative posts from losses in the past.

[quote]When the Skins lose, the board sees almost double the amount of traffic then it does after a win. The number of new threads and posts literally explodes. People that haven't posted in days or even weeks all of a sudden are posting like crazy.[/QUOTE]

I can see how that gets annoying. I am usually the opposite. When we lose I like to find a hole to crawl into, when we win, I want to shout out to the world. I guess I am in the minority.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;357570]Well, like I said, I do agree with you. I think a lot of people are tired with losing, and it's something this team has done for a LOOOONG time, so people have the knee jerk reaction that this is a doomed team cause the Skins have done nothing to make us think otherwise.
I personally never get bad after a loss, this was a tough for loss for us, and my vents were strictly about the play calling which I still stand by. That needs to change. But again, I do understand what you're saying, and I agree. I generally ignore the negative posts from losses in the past.



I can see how that gets annoying. I am usually the opposite. When we lose I like to find a hole to crawl into, when we win, I want to shout out to the world. I guess I am in the minority.[/QUOTE]

I'll agree with Matty on this point, based soley off of personal experiance...I mean you all know I'm here after a win or loss....and I think it goes back to that whole "Therapy" thing I was talking about....When we win, I'll log onto the site, post the Tony question thread, and ussually log right off, enjoy a beer and enjoy the day of football ahead.... When I'm upset about the Redskins, I ussally have alot more to say and I feel the need to be "talking" too other people who I know are going through it as I am....I mean ask TMC, every week that we lose, I ussually call him within 5 mintues of the game going final to yell and vent because I dont feel like venting to people who dont understand me..... Its weird, I know...but I can understand where SOME people are coming from with this...I also understand where Matty is coming from where people have nothing insightful to say except "f gibbs" or whatever that provides little insight....I also understand that some people dont take it as seriously as I do (that DOES NOT mean they are less of a fan, just more sane)....but I feel the need to defend the people who are a little more vocal after a loss than a win, because I"m one of them too..

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;357398]Well I agree with the first line, but everything after "Yet we struggle" I completely disagree with

Welcome to the board though[/QUOTE]

How can you disagree with the statement that we cannot pop the 20pt cherry? Sort of like saying you disagree with a blue sky... after all we have not topped 20 pts in three consecutive games (two of them against less than stellar defenses).

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;357752]How can you disagree with the statement that we cannot pop the 20pt cherry? Sort of like saying you disagree with a blue sky... after all we have not topped 20 pts in three consecutive games (two of them against less than stellar defenses).[/QUOTE]

I disagree that that's all on the playcalling and that it's blatantly obvious we'll never be real contenders under Gibbs style of play.

I think the "blatantly obvious" part was the most galling part of the statement probably