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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;367194]Dude, you refuted your own argument. Injuries are not injuries. The Skins have lost two starting offensive linemen for the year and then Wade got hurt last week and was playing with an injured groin this week. Rabach went down last week and didn't play. Pete Kendall is apparently dealing with a hamstring problem and played at less than 100%. So the Skins played with two of the five guys they started the year with and two of the five that did play were playing hurt. If you lose a d-lineman, an RB, and a safety that hurts (but not to the Pats) but if you lose freaking three offensive linemen that f's up your whole offense. Show me another team playing with a patchwork line like the Skins? Oh yeah, the 0-7 Rams and the Ravens. Either of those offenses doing anything at all? The o-line makes the whole thing go man and you lose all those players and it changes everything on offense.[/QUOTE]

Finally! Someone who gets it! Good post! :thumb:

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;367192]Ok. So, I'm hearing people complain about Al Saunders. Fine. [B]You guys were the ones who said we needed an offensive coordinator other than Joe Gibbs. [/B]What difference has it made? At least we made the playoffs under Gibbs' offense. And, that was an offense with Mark Brunell at quarterback, and with one goto receiver in Santana Moss.

So, knowing those facts, if we have all the offensive weapons now that we didn't have in '05, why wouldn't Joe Gibbs' offense work now? Don't get me wrong, until our record falls under .500 and we miss the playoffs again, I will continue to support this team and the coaches. But, I do believe the FO has done just about everything that the fans have asked them to do, and the fans still don't like it.[/QUOTE]

I never said that. I applauded the move, and I thought it was a good sign of Gibbs' willingness to change. But no, I was not one to say that Gibbs was over it and should hand the playcalling duties to someone else.

I've been a defender of the coaches from the beginning. Not once, even through the nightmare of the 2006 season did I call for any of the coaches to get canned. Even if we struggle with a mundane offense and finish with a record of around 8-8, I'd still say that Saunders deserves at least one more year to fully implement his offensive plan along with the further development of Campbell.

But at the same time, I don't think it would be unfair to say that this offense isn't anywhere near what Al Saunders really wants.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;367196]While Saunders calls the plays, Gibbs sets the game plan and he and Campbell basically said in the postgame that they had a conservative gameplan. Gibbs even said, 'We probably could have taken a few more shots out there, [B]but we were happy with what we were doing.'[/B][/QUOTE]

And that's what I find troubling ...

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[quote=skinsguy;367192]Ok. So, I'm hearing people complain about Al Saunders. Fine. You guys were the ones who said we needed an offensive coordinator other than Joe Gibbs. What difference has it made? At least we made the playoffs under Gibbs' offense. And, that was an offense with Mark Brunell at quarterback, and with one goto receiver in Santana Moss.

So, knowing those facts, if we have all the offensive weapons now that we didn't have in '05, why wouldn't Joe Gibbs' offense work now? Don't get me wrong, until our record falls under .500 and we miss the playoffs again, I will continue to support this team and the coaches. But, I do believe the FO has done just about everything that the fans have asked them to do, and the fans still don't like it.[/quote]What I saw today was a lot more Joe Gibbs conservatism in the game plan than the Al Saunders offenses that I remember from STL and KC. I'm fine with conservatism if it's working. It was a beautiful thing when Portis bludgeoned teams down the stretch of '05, but we are not seeing the kind of production with that approach for THIS team. If conservatism is not working, I'd like to see more of a Saunders-styled game plan, that often used the passing game to set up subsequent running success in his previous stops. This would have been a 14 point win with any second half production from the offense.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;367203]I never said that. I applauded the move, and I thought it was a good sign of Gibbs' willingness to change. But no, I was not one to say that Gibbs was over it and should hand the playcalling duties to someone else.
[/QUOTE]

My statement was a general statement toward a high majority of Redskins fans who kept crying in '05 for a new OC. But, I would assume if one applauded the move, then one supported it. I, personally, felt it was the wrong move. We made the playoffs under Joe Gibbs' offense with less weapons and a quarterback who most complained couldn't pass deep. We obviously have more offensive weapons now, so it seems to me it would've made more sense to have gotten the guys we had gotten (minus Brandon Lloyd,) and kept the same offense that took us deep into the playoffs the year before.

But, I did (and still do) go along with it, because Gibbs did state that Saunders was brought in to enhance the existing offense, but not to completely go away from it. So again, I ask, if we haven't went away from the offense we had purely with Gibbs, we should've just kept Gibbs offense in and focused on that.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;367210]My statement was a general statement toward a high majority of Redskins fans who kept crying in '05 for a new OC. [B]But, I would assume if one applauded the move, then one supported it.[/B] I, personally, felt it was the wrong move. We made the playoffs under Joe Gibbs' offense with less weapons and a quarterback who most complained couldn't pass deep. We obviously have more offensive weapons now, so it seems to me it would've made more sense to have gotten the guys we had gotten (minus Brandon Lloyd,) and kept the same offense that took us deep into the playoffs the year before.

But, I did (and still do) go along with it, because Gibbs did state that Saunders was brought in to enhance the existing offense, but not to completely go away from it. So again, I ask, if we haven't went away from the offense we had purely with Gibbs, we should've just kept Gibbs offense in and focused on that.[/QUOTE]

Yes, one can support the decision that was made, even if one wasn't originally calling for it.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;367206]What I saw today was a lot more Joe Gibbs conservatism in the game plan than the Al Saunders offenses that I remember from STL and KC. I'm fine with conservatism if it's working. It was a beautiful thing when Portis bludgeoned teams down the stretch of '05, but we are not seeing the kind of production with that approach for THIS team. If conservatism is not working, I'd like to see more of a Saunders-styled game plan, that often used the passing game to set up subsequent running success in his previous stops. This would have been a 14 point win with any second half production from the offense.[/QUOTE]

And again, you have to ask, why were we playing conservative. Our freakin' offensive line. Why did Joe Gibbs' offense work in '05? Because we had our offensive line intact. It's that simple.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;367214]And again, you have to ask, why were we playing conservative. Our freakin' offensive line. Why did Joe Gibbs' offense work in '05? Because we had our offensive line intact. It's that simple.[/QUOTE]

During that 5-game stretch, we also saw intensity and determination that hasn't been matched before or since.

There's been a lot of half-assing it if you ask me.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;367215]During that 5-game stretch, we also saw intensity and determination that hasn't been matched before or since.

There's been a lot of half-assing it if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

And those players need to do a better job.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Bottom line, patch work O-LINE......yea, bad day at the office.

The D stepped it UP! We WON THE DAMN game! THE END.......4-2, beats the hell outta 3-3 PERIOD! We have given both losses away on a golden platter. We got a little gift here from no rackers! It should have NEVER COME down to that anyway!

TAKE IT AND BE HAPPY!

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;367204]And that's what I find troubling ...[/QUOTE]

Which was my point in posting it.. Gibbs seemingly is satisfied with squatting on 2 TD leads despite losing so many leads in his 2nd stint..

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=skinsguy;367214]And again, you have to ask, why were we playing conservative. Our freakin' offensive line. Why did Joe Gibbs' offense work in '05? Because we had our offensive line intact. It's that simple.[/quote]And I argue that it's foolish to try to go smashmouth with the O-line in shambles. I've said it before, and it bears repeating, you can spread the field with 3 and 4 WR sets to create more running lanes. Today was an obvious lack of willingness to adjust on offense, and it probably should have cost us the game.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;367223]And I argue that it's foolish to try to go smashmouth with the O-line in shambles. I've said it before, and it bears repeating, you can spread the field with 3 and 4 WR sets to create more running lanes. Today was an obvious lack of willingness to adjust on offense, and it probably should have cost us the game.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't matter if you spread the offense or not, if your offensive line is in shambles, none of it is going to work. If opening running lanes was the only problem with our OL, then we could work around that, but pass protection is also suspect now because of our OL being injured.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

A win is a win, BABY! It really doesn't matter how you win in the NFL, it is a grind it out league with absolutely no style points rewarded. If we can get Wade and Rabach back next week the offense should look a lot more cohesive. The defense is just night and day from last season, Fletcher and Landry have been steller additions. I know we've got New England next week, but I think a win is still very possible! Quite a few teams would take 4-2 right now in a heartbeat, that's for sure!

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;367194]Dude, you refuted your own argument. Injuries are not injuries. The Skins have lost two starting offensive linemen for the year and then Wade got hurt last week and was playing with an injured groin this week. Rabach went down last week and didn't play. Pete Kendall is apparently dealing with a hamstring problem and played at less than 100%. So the Skins played with two of the five guys they started the year with and two of the five that did play were playing hurt. If you lose a d-lineman, an RB, and a safety that hurts (but not to the Pats) but if you lose freaking three offensive linemen that f's up your whole offense. Show me another team playing with a patchwork line like the Skins? Oh yeah, the 0-7 Rams and the Ravens. Either of those offenses doing anything at all? The o-line makes the whole thing go man and you lose all those players and it changes everything on offense.[/quote]

So do you think the gameplan the offensive coaches had today is going to work next week?

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=skinsguy;367229]Doesn't matter if you spread the offense or not, if your offensive line is in shambles, none of it is going to work. If opening running lanes was the only problem with our OL, then we could work around that, but pass protection is also suspect now because of our OL being injured.[/quote]So by your logic, nothing will work until the O-line gets healthy. If that's the case, then we might as well mail in the season now. I prefer to think that you can get creative to try to make something happen. We haven't seen Randle El or Portis throw an option pass all season. We haven't seen Saunders try to roll the pocket to one side to buy Campbell more time on deeper pass plays. We haven't tried no huddle to prevent defensive substitutions, possibly resulting in mismatches. I noticed when we did go jumbo today, Thrash was the lone WR in that package (instead of Moss). That strikes ZERO fear in opposing safeties, who may as well put 9 in the box against that package. The only thing that I saw on offense today was coaching scared.

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[quote=Paintrain;367222]Which was my point in posting it.. Gibbs seemingly is satisfied with squatting on 2 TD leads despite losing so many leads in his 2nd stint..[/quote]

Save the complaining for another day, if I'm not mistaking we did win the game! We're are 4-2, right in the thick of the NFC East title race! This beats the you know what out of last season, don't you think?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;367081]I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.[/QUOTE]

100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;367136]Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!![/QUOTE]

Banged up? Um we were without 3/5 of our starters, That is more than banged up. To be 4-2 with our line issues is remarkable I think. What is particularly weird about your statement is the whole Fabini used to be a starte thing. So what? Sammy Baugh used to kick everyones' ass at like 4 different positions. Doesn't mean he can do it today. Fabini is awful. He did't used to be but now he is. He is no better than a spot duty guy and he is starting for us now. Sometimes excuses are simply reality.

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[quote=FRPLG;367235]100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.[/quote]

Having Rabach out is huge, not only is a superior blocker than Puccillo but he's great at making all the line calls.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Guys, if the playoffs started today.......1. Cowboys, 2. Packers, 3. Panthers, 4. Seahawks, 5. Giants, 6. Redskins.

We 're IN!!! Everyone chill. We should not have won today, but we should not have lost to the Packers either. Its all good.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Nick Saban once said, the last thing I want is an ugly win. Said some people don't understand that just because you won the game doesn't mean all is well. At first I thought he was an idiot and everyone can see that after every game, especially wins you have to look at your flaws and try to fix them. After reading through these threads, I see what he means.

Is our Oline beat up, yes. Are we having injury problems? Yes. Welcome to the NFL. It's called depth, and we don't have any. Hell, when you have to trade for a starting guard two weeks before the season starts, you've already set yourself up for failure. Regardless of our offensive lines shape, I can't blame our entire poor performance on it. On the rare occasion that we actually threw the ball, often time Campbell didn't seem to be horribly rushed. A few times, sure -- that's to be expected. but not an abnormal amount.

The real question is, why aren't we working with our athletic QB, rolling him out, and using his feet to make up for problems with our offensive line, instead of trying to force them to make blocks and run the ball. We had a horribly conservative offense in the 2nd half, as usual. If you can't play offense because of injuries, you did something wrong as a team. We will not make the playoffs or even have a winning record if we keep this type of offensive performance up.

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I am a staunch believer that we were too conservative in the second half against the Giants for no good reason but before that and since our offensive strategy has been fine in my estimation. Our "conservativeness" today was dictated by the personell we had. Plain and simple. I really think that all these people blaming intensity or play calling in general are missing the fact that having a decimated offensive line doesn't just affect how well you do things but it affects the things you can even try to do.

We had to pare our play book back based on personell and then they executed the reduced play book about half as well as our normal guys would have. The offensive line IS THAT IMPORTANT. It is the key to everything anyone does. It is the reason we struggled today.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

If the we make the playoffs as the WC, don't be suprised if we play @ the winners of the West (the Cards). They might not finish better than 8-8 but wow is the west weak.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;367233]So by your logic, nothing will work until the O-line gets healthy. If that's the case, then we might as well mail in the season now. I prefer to think that you can get creative to try to make something happen. We haven't seen Randle El or Portis throw an option pass all season. We haven't seen Saunders try to roll the pocket to one side to buy Campbell more time on deeper pass plays. We haven't tried no huddle to prevent defensive substitutions, possibly resulting in mismatches. I noticed when we did go jumbo today, Thrash was the lone WR in that package (instead of Moss). That strikes ZERO fear in opposing safeties, who may as well put 9 in the box against that package. The only thing that I saw on offense today was coaching scared.[/QUOTE]

First of all, the offensive line is what makes everything work. If it's not there, it's not going to happen.

Secondly,you're talking about relying on gadget plays. If you're having to run gadget plays to jump start your offense, you're in trouble. It may work once or twice a game, but that isn't how things work.

Thirdly, rolling the quarterback out is a nice thought and something I'd like to see more often as well. However, while it does buy some time, roll outs still require protection from your offensive line. So, once again, it comes back to the trenches.

As far as mailing it in for the season, I do believe the 2000 Ravens' O was quite pathetic, and they relied on their defense just as much as we have. Yet, they did come away with a Super Bowl trophy. While I don't believe we're as good as that team was, we do have a strong defense that will at least give us a chance to win games for us, but we have to fix our offensive line to have any improvement with our offense.

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[quote=scowan;367239]Guys, if the playoffs started today.......1. Cowboys, 2. Packers, 3. Panthers, 4. Seahawks, 5. Giants, 6. Redskins.

We 're IN!!! Everyone chill. We should not have won today, but we should not have lost to the Packers either. Its all good.[/quote]

Honestly, have our standards as Redskin fans dropped to where we are just happy to get in as a 6th seed? I want to be a Super Bowl contending team.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

The Giants are playing lights out and the Cowpokes won't lose more than 4 games this year. I think WC is our best option. Though we could still end up with a better record than anyone in the rest of the NFC outside of the East.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I shudder to think: Imagine how well that personell set would execute some of the less conservative stuff if today is how they executed the easier and more conservative stuff?

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[quote=Paintrain;367222]Which was my point in posting it.. Gibbs seemingly is satisfied with squatting on 2 TD leads despite losing so many leads in his 2nd stint..[/quote]

Not sure why this is so shocking. As we saw in the GB game, put the ball on the ground just once and you very well could be done for the day. With the defense playing the way it's been playing, getting up early then riding it out seems like a perfectly reasonable philosophy.

The trick is that we don't have an earth-moving front line anymore, so we can't run it down opposing teams' throats and control the clock in the second half. But turning to the air exclusively is way too risky.

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[QUOTE=rypper11;367252]The Giants are playing lights out and the Cowpokes won't lose more than 4 games this year. I think WC is our best option. Though we could still end up with a better record than anyone in the rest of the NFC outside of the East.[/QUOTE]

The thing about the Giants is that the only team they have beat with a winning record has been the Washington Redskins. We gave away that game.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;367235]100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.[/QUOTE]

Very well put, and it all boils down to us being one dimensional on offense, or perhaps "none dimensional."

As long as the o-line is this banged up and patched together opposing teams, especially teams like New England, are just going to hone in on the fact that this offense is inept without an offensive line (just as any team would be.) If you can't trust your line to pass protect for more than a second or two then all of your pass plays are going to be short. Add to that having to keep the backs and Cooley in to block just to manage what little pass protection can be scrounged up and you lose even more weapons.

Basically everyone but the WRs are in blocking all so we can manage a 10 yard pass at best. Add to that WRs who apparently can't catch anymore and you've got about the easiest pass attack in the NFL to defend against. Even our own coaches are admitting what the gameplan is.

Nobody will respect our run game either. Portis appears either unhealthy or in a funk, Betts isn't terribly useful and the run blocking is about as good as the pass blocking.

It's basically a heyday for opposing defenses - just T-off and do whatever the hell they feel like.

I think this defense is good enough to ride to maybe .500 or a little better and possibly a Wild Card spot even with the offense as bad as it is now. But even this defense won't be able to shut down the likes of New England, Dallas, Indy or a few others. Holding those teams to 28 points would be considered an accomplishment, and right now our offense can't put up 29 to win it. At some point the offense has to contribute, and right now they just can't.

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[quote=skinsfan69;367250]Honestly, have our standards as Redskin fans dropped to where we are just happy to get in as a 6th seed? I want to be a Super Bowl contending team.[/quote]

There's a long way between here and there, dude. Right now, for this team, yes, playoffs are a first start. JC needs playoff experience. Not many young QB's get to traipse on into the Super Bowl like Rockthisburger did; usually it takes a lot of playoff experience to get out of that round.

I think we would all agree we're not strong enough to defeat most of the AFC playoff teams, so I think slipping in as a 6th seed is probably great considering what a mess the injury situation has been. I'd rather it happen like this this year and Jason get some valuable experience than for us to go in as #2 or #3 seeds and get trounced by a playoff-seasoned team like Seattle or Tampa, personally... at least this way we aren't "wasting" a great season.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;367223]And I argue that it's foolish to try to go smashmouth with the O-line in shambles. I've said it before, and it bears repeating, you can spread the field with 3 and 4 WR sets to create more running lanes. Today was an obvious lack of willingness to adjust on offense, and it probably should have cost us the game.[/QUOTE]

This requires a complete adjustment of offensive philosophy. That doesn't happen overnight. And what happens when Wade and Kendall aren't gimpy and Rabach is fine? Our line is tremendously better and we're supposed to simply switch back to our original plan? It doesn't work like that. e're calling the stuff we can run right now.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;367249]As far as mailing it in for the season, I do believe the 2000 Ravens' O was quite pathetic, and they relied on their defense just as much as we have. Yet, they did come away with a Super Bowl trophy. While I don't believe we're as good as that team was, we do have a strong defense that will at least give us a chance to win games for us, but we have to fix our offensive line to have any improvement with our offense.[/QUOTE]

Good point about the Ravens. I don't recall the 2000 season all that well, but were there any offenses then that rival the Pats or Indy? I know the Rams were damned good, but I think you're looking at a potentially record-breaking offense with the Pats, and Indy is always just incredible.

If I got real imaginative I could even see our defense just carrying the team deep into the playoffs like the Ravens, but I just don't see us stopping a Brady or Manning for a championship.

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I was noticing something interesting. The Skins are ranked 4th in the NFC in net points with plus 34. Cowboys are +69, Giants +38 and Packers +35.

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[QUOTE=mheisig;367259]....At some point the offense has to contribute, and right now they just can't.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. They are not being held back by bad play calling or lacking execution because of intensity. They simply have a low skill level and are doing what should b expected of them. It can get better if we can get Rabach, Kendall and Wade healthy. A healthy line of Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Fabini and Wade is good to ok from left to right and good enough to open our play book back up.

On top of everything most of starting line didn't even practice this week.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=GiantsSuck703;367098]You really have not seen any progress from Jason Campbell this year, it must only be you[/quote]
Sure there has been some progress, but if you could remember back in training camp when all the buzz was about how JC was going to be vastly improved. I for one don't see it, especially when our defense gives you back the ball and our offense does nothing but 3 and out. But, I will acknowledge the fact that those droped passes have hurt as well. This team is not that good of a team to just give back the ball to the oposition.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

This thread is driving me nuts. What does everyone expect our offense to do? Be reasonable here. Take into account our injuries and therefore our avaiable personell. Then apply that to our philosophy and add it all up. JC has been fine. He is the best thing we have on offense but he has little time to throw, few weapons and no run game to counter a pass defense. He is doing ok given those situations.

I like to think that esssentially it can't get worse in terms of situation. If it does then we're done and it won;t matter otherwise health will increase on the line and our offense will open back up. Until then hunker down for a stripped playbook and poor execution,

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[quote=dblanch66;367115]Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.[/quote I don't know if you were able to watch the game from Cali or not, but we were damn lucky to NOT snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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[quote=Mattyk72;367081]I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.[/quote]


yeah I've been a little disappointed with the offensive showing, but considering the circumstances we looked allright... the cards do have a pretty good d line and they were spying campbell with the lolb, so that limited the effectiveness of rolling him out of the pocket to the right, and pushing him left makes it difficult for him to throw across his body...

I do wish we could run the ball more effectively, though. I really hope injuries don't completely ruin our season, though...