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[QUOTE=Southpaw;368035]If anything costs Washington the game, it will be the inability of the offense to score points, but it certainly won't be because of the defense. The only prediction I'll make this week is the Pats will have their lowest scoring output of the season.[/QUOTE]That's what I've been saying since last week.
I really feel like our defense will surprise them and rough them up a bit more than they might expect, especially if they're peeking past us (I say [I]peeking[/I] because I think they're too good to be caught completely looking past anyone) to next week.
However, I'm just worried about what their defense will do to our banged up O-line.

I think it could be interesting and I refuse to completely count us out. At the same time, I think that it is entirely possible to prove yourself in a losing effort, so I hope we really show the world something if we happen to lose.

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[quote=Sean Taylor;368079]I'm glad you're not making the game plan this week.

No way we beat them in a shootout in NE. We have to run and will get the rythm back this week. Our o-line will be MVP this week. Gibbs has just as many rings for the skins as Bill for NE. This is where the coaching is all worth it and Joe comes through here in the clutch. Rackers wide left!!! ITS OUR YEAR.........[/quote]Oh, Ok.

Good gameplan there.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;368082]Oh, Ok.

Good gameplan there.[/QUOTE]

That was a waste of a post!

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Fellow Skins fans, I'm sorry to say but this is a joke. It took us overtime to beat the winless Dolphins barely beat the sorry eagles and cardinals. Tom Brady is gonna shit on our face's. We are way to conservative from a coaching stand point. Our o-line will not be able to block the patriots front and our defense will not even be able to contain the NE offense. Cheers

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our defense will dominate the pats during the first half. we will frustrate them and will not score a lot of points on us, again I am pointing to the first half when our defense still fresh.

and the 2nd half, they will start to dominate us and score points in bunches, because our defense will get tired and our offense continue to suck and cannot control the clock.

but once again this will be the lowest offensive output for the pats. but we have a slim chance to pull this one thru

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[quote=skins009;368084]Fellow Skins fans, I'm sorry to say but this is a joke. It took us overtime to beat the winless Dolphins barely beat the sorry eagles and cardinals. Tom Brady is gonna shit on our face's. We are way to conservative from a coaching stand point. Our o-line will not be able to block the patriots front and our defense will not even be able to contain the NE offense. Cheers[/quote]

please see post #1.

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[QUOTE=skins009;368084]Fellow Skins fans, I'm sorry to say but this is a joke. It took us overtime to beat the winless Dolphins barely beat the sorry eagles and cardinals. Tom Brady is gonna shit on our face's. We are way to conservative from a coaching stand point. Our o-line will not be able to block the patriots front and our defense will not even be able to contain the NE offense. Cheers[/QUOTE]

You're a skins fan and you predict the team gets shit on in the face? Nice one buddy!

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God I love your confidence. Getting my heart racing. :food-smil

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[QUOTE=BrudLee;368036]My feeling with the Pats right now is that they haven't been the defensive team that they could be. The allowed 28 points to Miami - 21 after Ronnie "the Dolphins only offensive weapon" Brown was lost for the game (and season). Was the defense already celebrating the victory? If that's the case, it speaks volumes to their focus. Given that the media is already hyping [U]next[/U] week's Pats/Colts game, we may be playing out as a classic "trap game".[/QUOTE]

The Miami game is what worries me. Forget their offense, Belicheck is pissed off because the defense gave up 28 points on Sunday, to a backup QB and backup RB for most of the game. Their defense is very respectable, and will be honed in for Sunday. Saunders has to be prepared for this.

The only clique that best fits the Skins and their hopes is "Any Given Sunday..." because they will have to bring their A+ game, and hope the Pats are C or worse in order to make it happen.

My heart says this game is close and comes down to the wire. My head says the Skins don't cover the spread, but the Pats don't put up 30+ for the first time all year.

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[QUOTE My question is why? Why are they scoring more with less talent?[/QUOTE]

Because Campbell is young, he doesn't even have a year's worth of games under his belt and 3 out of 5 offensive lineman are out. I think this pretty much says it.

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[QUOTE=bertoskins2;368085]our defense will dominate the pats during the first half. we will frustrate them and will not score a lot of points on us, again I am pointing to the first half when our defense still fresh.[/QUOTE]

You base this on what? The pats have scored on their first possession in every game so far this season including the cowboys.

If your defense plays a deep cover 2 all game. Pats offense will just keep running, take the the underneath stuff and have 6-8 min drives, which is the style they prefer to play. The only reason why the last 2 games have been so many passing yards is because teams have been trying to stop the run and leaving the outside and middle zones open

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[quote=Sean Taylor;368075]Respectable?

Gibbs takes over this weeks play calling (behind the scenes). Running game breaks out this week against the PATS. Some playaction bombs of our own are in store as well. We get back to smashmouth football and control the clock very well in this road affair. Run left, right, toss, pitch, sellers, portis, betts, and keep pounding and no turnovers! Kicking game big in this and we have a great punter.

Defense needs to continue with a 4 man rush and Carter and company have a much better game. Our LB's need to play run when they are in tight and drop into aggressive zones when they spread us out. Sean Taylor plays deep all day to make sure Moss doesn't have that easy score. Springs and Rogers tight and looking to make plays. NO BLITZES EARLY! Brady will not be beaten by our blitz we will. Continue what they have been doing and we score another td on Defense here. We are by far the best defense they have faced and will beat them on Sunday.

HAIL!!!!!![/quote]


I'll agree with one, we probably have the best D they have faced. But it could be they have made teams D's that bad by the ass whipping they have been handing out.

I dont know what kind of scheme we should or will use. Its got its faults either way. Run, run, run, ball control..eat the clock score few points. Attack the D with passing and risk 3 and outs and the D is on the field more. Its a toss up. We have to try and limit the pats touches offensively as best we can. They are a team that can sustain long scoring drives by throwing the ball. Now w/ Maroney back, they will try and run a little more to get our safeties up. This is not the Olines we have faced, their Oline is VERY GOOD. Hardly anyone has put consistant pressure on Brady, either with the Blitz or not. I think if we can get some hits on the recievers early, BIG HITS we may be able get them a little hesitant and looking for defenders before catching the ball. Brady is so calm under pressure I just dont know if its possible to rattle him with blitzing.

i hope we keep it close. if we get a couple of turnovers on their side of the 50 we need to convert those into TD's. we definately need to be more aggressive with the down field passing. even if its just to keep the safeties honest.

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[quote=Mattyk72;368026]I have to be honest and say I really don't like our chances. It's going to take our best effort and the Pats to have an off day. I just hope we can keep it respectable.[/quote]

Are you sure you're a Skins fan? ;)

How many more wins until you learn your lesson? :spank:

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[QUOTE=chris66;368104]You base this on what? The pats have scored on their first possession in every game so far this season including the cowboys.

If your defense plays a deep cover 2 all game. Pats offense will just keep running, take the the underneath stuff and have 6-8 min drives, which is the style they prefer to play. The only reason why the last 2 games have been so many passing yards is because teams have been trying to stop the run and leaving the outside and middle zones open[/QUOTE]

We've been playing the pass all season long and, if my memory serves me, we haven't had anyone rush for 100 yards on us. Our defense is better than any defense you faced.

Welcome to the board by the way. We always welcome fans of other teams, provided they are like you, don't troll, and genuinely want to discuss the game.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;368063]Do we really have a 5 game win streak over the Pats like I heard last night?[/quote]

Six games... Only lost the first one back in '72 I believe.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;368050]IF you look at it this way the Pats schedule of teams they beat are 17-28 (6-1 have come from the Cowboys) So maybe it not the Pats being so dominant its just they havent played anyone.

I am saying it if the Cowboys had a pass defense at all they would have beaten the Pats.

The Pats are like LSU before they played Florida and Kentucky and Auburn. The Redskins defense will slow them down.[/quote]

You could say that we haven't exactly played anyone either. And they beat Dallas at Dallas pretty easily. Do you think we could go to Dallas and hang 48 on them? No way in hell.

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[quote=chris66;368104]You base this on what? The pats have scored on their first possession in every game so far this season including the cowboys.

If your defense plays a deep cover 2 all game. Pats offense will just keep running, take the the underneath stuff and have 6-8 min drives, which is the style they prefer to play. The only reason why the last 2 games have been so many passing yards is because teams have been trying to stop the run and leaving the outside and middle zones open[/quote]


That will change now. their first few possesions will be hard. especially when our defense is fresh. our LBs and DL will take away their run game. have the speed on the LB to challenge their middle passing game

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hey guys, long time lurker first time poster here. I just want to say that I agree with 12thman on this one. The Pats really have not faced a defense like ours and it's about time this offense gets going. I can deal with being called a homer for a week but I do believe we can pull of a win.

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[quote=GreekSkin;368114]hey guys, long time lurker first time poster here. I just want to say that I agree with 12thman on this one. The Pats really have not faced a defense like ours and it's about time this offense gets going. I can deal with being called a homer for a week but I do believe we can pull of a win.[/quote]

Thanks, GreekSkin. And welcome to the board...

Headline after Skins beat N.E.: And Then There Was One.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;368109]We've been playing the pass all season long and, if my memory serves me, we haven't had anyone rush for 100 yards on us. Our defense is better than any defense you faced.

Welcome to the board by the way. We always welcome fans of other teams, provided they are like you, don't troll, and genuinely want to discuss the game.[/quote]


You're right, no hundred yard rushers yet. Although Maynard and Westbrooks came within a whisker of getting there.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;368109]We've been playing the pass all season long and, if my memory serves me, we haven't had anyone rush for 100 yards on us. Our defense is better than any defense you faced.

Welcome to the board by the way. We always welcome fans of other teams, provided they are like you, don't troll, and genuinely want to discuss the game.[/QUOTE]

so what your saying is the skins are going to rush 4 and play zone with the lb's. I can see welker having a 16 catch game if this happens. You might start out like that , but will change quickly having to bring up a safety to help in the slot leaving moss or stallworth one on one on the outside, plus the fact if you only rush 4-5 brady will have time to make sandwiches back there

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The NE run game has to be respected. They can run the ball on us if we sit back in the cover 2 a lot.

I see GW mixing it up a lot w/his calls, maybe seeing how much pressure our front 4 can generate before calling blitzes.

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[quote=chris66;368119]so what your saying is the skins are going to rush 4 and play zone with the lb's. I can see welker having a 16 catch game if this happens. You might start out like that , but will change quickly having to bring up a safety to help in the slot leaving moss or stallworth one on one on the outside, plus the fact if you only rush 4-5 brady will have time to make sandwiches back there[/quote]

try that with welker in the middle and he might end up in the injured reserved

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I see the Skins going into the coliseum aka Gillette Stadium and running the rock down their throats. I see the Skins putting together their best effort and coming home with the biggest win of the year. Greg Williams needs to take zone blitzing to another level. Let Taylor and Landry prove they can cover the deep ball and run support with the best of them. Blitz the hell out of them dont let Brady get in a rhythm. We win this game I'm putting my chips on the pretend table who ever wants in get in!! LOL

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[quote=chris66;368119]so what your saying is the skins are going to rush 4 and play zone with the lb's. I can see welker having a 16 catch game if this happens. You might start out like that , but will change quickly having to bring up a safety to help in the slot leaving moss or stallworth one on one on the outside, plus the fact if you only rush 4-5 brady will have time to make sandwiches back there[/quote]


This will be interesting. But for reasons I've posted, I just don't see N.E. bombs away with Taylor back there. Yes, Welker and Stallworth are nice, but they haven't really faced three starting corners all year either.

Furthermore, as soon as you guys bring your punter on the field after the first drive, both sides will know it's time to dig in and fight.

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[quote=skinsfan69;368111]You could say that we haven't exactly played anyone either. And they beat Dallas at Dallas pretty easily. Do you think we could go to Dallas and hang 48 on them? No way in hell.[/quote]


But do you see Dallas or New England hanging 48 on us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;368031]They have a great offense but [b]they do not have a great defense.[/b] People have been scoring points against them.[/quote]

Don't look now Mr.Wizard, but they are ranked slightly HIGHER than Washington in total defense.

Patriots are #4 in overall defense, Redskins #5
Patriots are #4 vs the pass, Redskins #8
Patriots are #9 vs the run, Redskins #5.

The only way to beat the Patriots is to generate a ton of turnovers.

The other way to beat them is with a bat while they are sleeping.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;368128]But do you see Dallas or New England hanging 48 on us.[/QUOTE]

New England is averaging 40 points per game. If we can knock off that average by 9 points, our defense will have done its job. I'll post this in the official prediction thread, but I see this game resulting in a 34-24 win for the Pats.

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Can we let Jason Campbell call his own plays this week? It can't be worse than what we have seen so far. Maybe he finds a rhythm. At the very least we would not have any delay of game penalties while we decide plays by committee.

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[quote=freddyg12;368120]The NE run game has to be respected. They can run the ball on us if we sit back in the cover 2 a lot.
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RBs against Skins in 2007:

1-R. Brown 32 yds, 2.9 ypc/J. Chatman 15 yds, 2.1 ypc
2-B. Westbrook 96 yds, 5.6 ypc (long of 27 yds)
3-D. Ward 94 yds (26 rushes), 3.6 ypc/Droughns 3 yds, 1.0 ypc
4-BYE
5-DET: K. Jones 48 yds, 4.4 ypc/T. Bell 15 yds, 3.8 ypc
6-GB: D. Wynn 37 yds, 2.8 ypc/V. Morency 11 yds, 2.8 ypc
7-ARI: E. James 83 yds (27 rushes), 3.1 ypc

I was curious. [IMG]http://www.teamzx2.com/Smileys/others/cheesy.gif[/IMG]


So no RB has hit 100 yards yet this year. Brian Westbrook was closest with 96 yards, helped by a 27 yard-run.

The Skins allow an average of 80.7 rushing yards a game, 5th best in the NFL. For comparison's sake, the Patriots give up 92.7 a game.


If Maroney plays, he might have a slow day. If they have to rely on Faulk and Evans, they should just keep 5 WRs in all game. The Skins do have 8 INTs this year, near the top of the league (leaders have 10 but some didn't have bye week yet). 2 went back for TDs (tops in NFL)

They'll have to beat us through the air, which they're certainly capable of, but it will be the biggest test to the Pats so far this season. They haven't really played a good pass D yet, even the Cowboys are middle-of-the-league against the pass, not very good.

Our secondary is great. Our whole D is actually, now ranked #5 in the NFL, we were #3 last week. We're still ranked #1 in the NFC.

Sure I'm nervous, but because of our D, we have the best chance of anyone so far to beat the Patriots, or even play them close.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;368134]New England is averaging 40 points per game. If we can knock off that average by 9 points, our defense will have done its job. I'll post this in the official prediction thread, but I see this game resulting in a 34-24 win for the Pats.[/quote]

The Patriots are averaging 40 points per game. The Redskins are averging 20 points per game against much worse defenses than that of the Patriots. New England has a top 5 defense and they are playing at home. Barring Brady, Moss and Welker catching the 24 hour clap, or, the stadium falling down, I'd say 34-13 Patriots is more accurate.

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right now I am realistically saying 38-24 Pats but my homer prediction is 30-24 in OT Redskins win.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;368137]The Patriots are averaging 40 points per game. [B]The Redskins are averging 20 points per game against much worse defenses than that of the Patriots.[/B] New England has a top 5 defense and they are playing at home. Barring Brady, Moss and Welker catching the 24 hour clap, or, the stadium falling down, I'd say 34-13 Patriots is more accurate.[/quote]


You're wrong about the "much worse" statement.

[U]Team - rank[/U]
Pats - 4th
Giants - 8th
Cardinals - 9th
Eagles - 11th
Packers - 15th

The Lions and Dolphins are the only bad Ds we've played and we won both games. The Dolphins were fully healthy then too, they've played without Zach Thomas for a few games since.

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[quote=chris66;368057]Thanks man I appreciate that. It should be a good game this Sunday. unfortunately your offense needs to figure out how to get first downs or your D will be wiped out by halftime.

I see a lot of posters knocking Miami on this board, but they were the only team so far to limit the pats to 51 offensive possessions. Usually they are in the high 60's[/quote]


I have the utmost respect for Tom Brady and this offense, but I dont think people understand how good this defense is. This is the same coach who took Randy Moss away every time we have played him, remember he shut Randy down with Garnell Wilds covering him, thats right. I really think this is the only secondary in the league that can match up with you guys, not saying we will shut you down, but we definately match up, I hope Welker is ready to get hit in the mouth. Its always cool to meet a fan from another team thats not a jackass.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;368133]Don't look now Mr.Wizard, but they are ranked slightly HIGHER than Washington in total defense.

Patriots are #4 in overall defense, Redskins #5
Patriots are #4 vs the pass, Redskins #8
Patriots are #9 vs the run, Redskins #5.

The only way to beat the Patriots is to generate a ton of turnovers.

The other way to beat them is with a bat while they are sleeping.[/quote]

You dont think playing the #1 passing offense in Detroit and completely shutting them down will help, Oh wait... we did that twice after we had to face Green Bay who had the top ranked passing offense, and guess what? we shut them down again

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;368139]right now I am realistically saying 38-24 Pats but my homer prediction is 30-24 in OT Redskins win.[/quote]

The Redskins have only scored 24 points or more for ONE game all season, and that was at home against the Lions. Now they are on the road against the best team in football.

The Patriots defense has NEVER surrendered more than 20 points all season. (The two games where Miami and Dallas scored higher than 20 was due to a the opposing defense scoring on a turnover).

So how can you use the word "realistically" in that prediction? Because based on the stats, and, how the 'Skins have performed recently on offense that is not a "realistic" prediction.?

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;368144]I have the utmost respect for Tom Brady and this offense, but I dont think people understand how good this defense is. This is the same coach who took Randy Moss away every time we have played him, remember he shut Randy down with Garnell Wilds covering him, thats right. I really think this is the only secondary in the league that can match up with you guys, not saying we will shut you down, but we definately match up, I hope Welker is ready to get hit in the mouth. Its always cool to meet a fan from another team thats not a jackass.[/quote]

That is because Randy Moss had no complement, no threatening #2 guy with his other teams. Go ahead and double up Moss, go high-low on him. Welker will have that secondary for lunch just as soon as you do. Have you seen Welkers number the last 3 games? Then try and cover Welker too and you will see what Stallworth can do. And lets not forget Watson.

That is my point, they have WAY WAY too many weapons, as soon as you THINK you have one neutralized, the other one burns you. They have 3 WRs that practically demand being doubled at all times because of thier talent level, but there is just not enough players on defense to do that.

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Tom Brady, meet Mr. Carter. You'll have plenty of opportunities to get to know him better on Sunday. :)

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I'm gonna jump on the homer boat and call a win, mostly because of the reports about the offensive players being ashamed of their performance last week, I think they really feel they need to step up this game and take some weight off the D and that might be the best motivation anyone can give.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;368152]That is because Randy Moss had no complement, no threatening #2 guy with his other teams. Go ahead and double up Moss, go high-low on him. Welker will have that secondary for lunch just as soon as you do. Have you seen Welkers number the last 3 games? Then try and cover Welker too and you will see what Stallworth can do. And lets not forget Watson.

That is my point, they have WAY WAY too many weapons, as soon as you THINK you have one neutralized, the other one burns you. They have 3 WRs that practically demand being doubled at all times because of thier talent level, but there is just not enough players on defense to do that.[/quote]


maybe the cowpukes have only roy horse collar williams to put chains on the pats 3 magnificent receivers