Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=BDBohnzie;371559]not just this week...but any Monday-Wednesday after a loss...

The Skins could do far worse than Portis and Betts. While Slaton is a very good back, there are more important holes to fill at this point than grabbing Slaton, who most likely will be a top 15 pick...Plus as a junior, he may elect to stay with Pat White for a 4th year...speculation at its finest![/quote]

wont happen. noel divine has that job next year... slaton is coming out this year.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=jdlea;371324]

If I were the Skins I would be drooling over Darren McFadden, but if anyone at the top of the draft needs a back, he'll probably go in the top 5.[/quote]

Yeah that is why I was thinking Slaton since he will probably go sometime after McFadden. I don't think we would have a chance to get McFadden.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=skinsfan242;371586]Whoever believes we should draft a RB must have never seen a football game, never played one or just doesn't understand the concept of football. I'm sorry you can't run when you get hit in the back field all the time.

Does anyone even remember games against the Dolphins with a healthy line, the game against the Eagles with Thomas for a half? I guess not. People should really think about things before they know the answer.

And I'm a WVU fan.[/quote]

CP has been here 4 years and has had plenty of chances to run behind healthy o-lines. I admit we have an o-line problem now but the bigger picture is beyond the o-line. We have a overpaid RB that doesn't produce year after year and cannot seem to stay healthy and does not have the desire to play hurt.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=BDBohnzie;371559]not just this week...but any Monday-Wednesday after a loss...

The Skins could do far worse than Portis and Betts. While Slaton is a very good back, there are more important holes to fill at this point than grabbing Slaton, who most likely will be a top 15 pick...Plus as a junior, he may elect to stay with Pat White for a 4th year...speculation at its finest![/quote]

Slaton will probably go around number 30 in the first round.

Slaton is actually beside the original point. He was just an example. Do the Skins need to draft a young rookie RB and keep building the o-line from free agency?

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;371588]only if he can play DE or oline. Lets get real we need some linemen.[/quote]

Exactly, lets build through the lines. Defensive and Offensive. We should spend our top three picks on the best lineman available, Guard, End or Tackle. Spend our later picks on a BIG wide receiver, blocking TE, and more lineman. We are fine at the skill positions. We should also consider a LB to replace Washington in a few years.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[QUOTE=billyharless;371758]Slaton will probably go around number 30 in the first round.

Slaton is actually beside the original point. He was just an example. Do the Skins need to draft a young rookie RB and keep building the o-line from free agency?[/QUOTE]
Then when writing the original post, you should have made that the post, not including Steve Slaton...using him as an example would have been fine, but it muddles the entire thread but singling out Slaton.

[quote=canthetuna]wont happen. noel divine has that job next year... slaton is coming out this year.[/quote]
While it'll probably happen, I can see one of two things that'll prevent it.
1) Knowing he will not be drafted in the first round. If it isn't guaranteed, I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in Morgantown
2) If he emerges in January as a potential Heisman candidate.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=BDBohnzie;371813]Then when writing the original post, you should have made that the post, not including Steve Slaton...using him as an example would have been fine, but it muddles the entire thread but singling out Slaton.


This is from the original post....

[I]Would drafting Steve Slaton [B][U]or at least a top rated running back[/U][/B] be better for the Skins than working free agents like Portis?[/I]

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[QUOTE=billyharless;372171][quote=BDBohnzie;371813]Then when writing the original post, you should have made that the post, not including Steve Slaton...using him as an example would have been fine, but it muddles the entire thread but singling out Slaton.


This is from the original post....

[I]Would drafting Steve Slaton [B][U]or at least a top rated running back[/U][/B] be better for the Skins than working free agents like Portis?[/I][/QUOTE]

Why didn't you say that in the title? Why not a title like "Should We Draft a Running Back?"

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=SmootSmack;372173][quote=billyharless;372171]

Why didn't you say that in the title? Why not a title like "Should We Draft a Running Back?"[/quote]

Good Lord, you guys are nit picky.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

Sometimes, you get pounced on for actually introducing an intelligent idea. you've got to be on the bandwagon around here and not try to steer in different directions. It just can't be handled. Remember how bad Laron Landry supporters got dogged pre-draft last year? Just look at it as the more backlash, the better the idea.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[QUOTE=theJBexperience;372204]Sometimes, you get pounced on for actually introducing an intelligent idea. you've got to be on the bandwagon around here and not try to steer in different directions. It just can't be handled. Remember how bad Laron Landry supporters got dogged pre-draft last year? Just look at it as the more backlash, the better the idea.[/QUOTE]

That's ridiculous. We're not some sort of gestapo limiting free thought. Why we're even discussing the draft now I don't know. But we are so whatever. All I asked was if the thread wasn't about only Steve Slaton, why mention only Steve Slaton in the thread title?

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=theJBexperience;372204]Sometimes, you get pounced on for actually introducing an intelligent idea. you've got to be on the bandwagon around here and not try to steer in different directions. It just can't be handled. Remember how bad Laron Landry supporters got dogged pre-draft last year? Just look at it as the more backlash, the better the idea.[/quote]

That's garbage dude. If you really think that's the case you can just take a hike.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

Every draft thread has turned into an argument. So guys no more draft threads until February.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

A question was asked of the original post, and it was answered. Why is it that when someone get questioned, panties automatically get bunched? It's not being nit-picky, it's being more precise. I'm all for original thought, because there isn't enough around here. However, that includes being able to question it as well...

What if I had broke out some Dr. Seuss...because that's what I first thought when I saw Should We or Could We. Would they, could they, in a class. Would they, could they, in the...well, I'll stop right there...

billyharless - I'll admit, I did not see the mention of a top rated RB in the original question...For that I apologize. However, doesn't it make sense to leave specifics out of a thread title, and leave them for the post? That's all I was trying to say.

thejbexperience - I for one am on no bandwagon, especially with these Kool-aid drinkin' MFers. More times than not, I totally disagree with the norm. However, if we can't question the original post, then why are we here? The whole idea of the board is to be able to question each other. And if you see this as one big clusterf*ck, with the mods at the helm, I suggest checking out other boards. I stopped going to other sites because this one actually gave a damn about other ideas and thoughts, not just the canned responses.

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Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[QUOTE=theJBexperience;372204]Sometimes, you get pounced on for actually introducing an intelligent idea. you've got to be on the bandwagon around here and not try to steer in different directions. It just can't be handled. Remember how bad Laron Landry supporters got dogged pre-draft last year? Just look at it as the more backlash, the better the idea.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what bandwagon you are referring to. There is usually a big divide between two or more camps on any given issue (see, for example, the "Belichick is Classless" and "Portis v. Betts" threads). People often incorrectly assume that because us mods, as Kool-Aid drinkers, agree on most issues. The fact is that we usually disagree on any given issue. I can't tell you how many times I've differed with Smootsmack, MattyK, Brud, et al.

This would be a really boring site if we all agreed or the mods imposed some "agree with us or be gone" policy. But, we encourage people to express different ideas. Anyone who has been around this site for a while should know that we don't order people to tow the company line. But, if your idea is different AND stupid, be prepared to get blasted for being stupid, not different.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

Yeah, it's cool. I was being overly dramatic. I just didn't think the blasting was necessary in this case. It's not like he suggested we bring back Patrick Ramsey.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

i dont remember what we gave up for Kendall. but we need to draft o-line man, defensive ends, a kicker late in the draft.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[QUOTE=redskins5044;372371]i dont remember what we gave up for Kendall. but we need to draft o-line man, defensive ends, a kicker late in the draft.[/QUOTE]

I think it was our 5th rounder.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;371554]I think we are kidding ourselves to some degree here...Portis is still a good back, but he is no longer elite (if he were elite- he'd average more than 3.5ish a carry). Are we really going to argue that Portis is great when his requirements to produce are 2-3 pro-bowlers on the o-line along with 2 other very high quality guys? Hmm, shouldn't any RB be able to succeed under those circumstances? Wouldn't you think that an elite back makes a bad line average (4 yards a carry), and a good line great (4.5-5 yards per carry)? I'm not saying that portis needs to go or anything like that, but I am saying lets be realistic here...he's not GREAT and hasn't been since 2005- not unlike Santana Moss.
that said, keep portis and betts, draft O and D line...[/quote]
I hear what your saying, and I understand you point. I just feel, when it comes to drafting a player... we need to draft on need. We don't need a Reggie Bush situation here.

Because running backs get this superstar attention, everyone talks them up. I think running back is probably the most replaceable position in football. Look at what Denver does every year. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to this, because there are some genuinely freakish running backs to have played the game (Barry Sanders). I don't think Clinton Portis is one of them, but I think he's an incredible running back. He blocks, he runs, he catches, he has heart. I wouldn't even consider Slayton an upgrade, at all.

Bottom line, if I'm drafting to win, with this team you have to draft on the offensive line. You absolutely have to. We will not win games, ever, without a solid line. So yes, I think this thread is retarded, because I don't think there has been much logic or thought put into it. It just doesn't make sense on any level (except in imagination land) to draft a running back.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

With the O line aging and getting totally decimated draft 2 O linemen in the first 4 rounds along with a D linemen and a CB. I would seriously look to trade Moss for a pick. It is too late to get anything for Lloyd, we will just have to cut his ass. We also might h ave to use a high draft pick for a QB just for depth. Once Gibbs is gone I do not think JC is going to be the starter if he doesn't start playing smarter ball. I am beginning to agree with the JC naysayers now that he was so good at Auburn since he had two all pro type RBs carrying the load for him. That sucks to say that since I was all for starting JC last season from the onset last year, but I don't think JC is all that we want to make him out to be.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=RobH4413;372379]I hear what your saying, and I understand you point. I just feel, when it comes to drafting a player... we need to draft on need. We don't need a Reggie Bush situation here.

Because running backs get this superstar attention, everyone talks them up. I think running back is probably the most replaceable position in football. Look at what Denver does every year. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to this, because there are some genuinely freakish running backs to have played the game (Barry Sanders). I don't think Clinton Portis is one of them, but I think he's an incredible running back. He blocks, he runs, he catches, he has heart. I wouldn't even consider Slayton an upgrade, at all.

Bottom line, if I'm drafting to win, with this team you have to draft on the offensive line. You absolutely have to. We will not win games, ever, without a solid line. So yes, I think this thread is retarded, because I don't think there has been much logic or thought put into it. It just doesn't make sense on any level (except in imagination land) to draft a running back.[/quote]You could get a running back AND offensive lineman.

But I agree that we have more pressing issues than our running game.

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

[quote=RobH4413;371263]Walter Payton couldn't run with this o-line.[/quote] Rod , I agree with most of what you post . The O-Line has been hit by injuries that have hurt the team . However , I believe Mr. Payton averaged over 1, 500 yds with some bad Ol's when the season was 14 games . Not a knock on CP , but the Paytons and E. Campbells could run behind worse than ours and have some success . Maybe the OL and CP get a lil healthier and we crank up the ground game ? Screw the pats / and cowpukes !

Re: Should We or Could We Draft Steve Slaton from West Virginia
 

Clinton Portis is far from the problem on the team, the Oline is basically gone, losing Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen, our two best run blockers i might add, has killed the run game, and to say the great ones run good behind any line is crazy, look at this year alone, Frank Gore, Shaun Alexander, Stephen Jackson, Larry Johnson are all stud RBs and have done absolutely nothing this year, mainly because there offensive lines are struggling. This is a simple matter of not knowing what you have until its gone, if we cut or trade CP, there will be alot of us regretting it.
As far as the draft goes, we need a stud DE like Chris Long or Calais Campbell and a speedy LB like Xavier Adibi, I would be thrilled to get Chris Long in the first and Xavier Adibi in second.