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dont hold your breath on the skins opening up the offense. We have these so called playmakers but never use them. Cooley is never utilized. He could be like witten if we use him. We threw on bomb to Moss once we should do that at least once a quarter. And stop using Thrash as our deep threat.

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[quote=SouperMeister;374326]Agree with every point except the NFC East being mediocre. The Cowboys and the Giants look quite legit to me. Both can get after the QB on defense, and have multiple offensive weapons [I]that they aren't afraid to deploy in the passing game[/I]. I long for the Skins to utilize Moss, Cooley, and Randle El to put pressure opposing D's the way Dallas and NY do in the passing game.[/quote]


Yeah, I shouldve said "conference" instead of division. The NFC is weak in general, with one really good team and a ton of mediocre ones, that being said I guess the East is somewhat competitive.

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-The Bucs have scored only 12 more points than us, and played one more game
-The Bucs lost to the Lions
-The Bucs are down to their 3rd RB (I think)

-The Ravens barely beat the 2-6 Bengals and 2-6 49ers
-The Ravens have scored 28 points less than we have, and played one less game
-The Ravens haven't exactly set the world on fire at the QB position

-The Browns barely beat the 2-6 Raiders
-The Browns have allowed 73 more points than us, and played the same number of games

So alls I'm saying is a lot of teams have "issues" that we seem to lump only on the Redskins.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

You have to say Baltimore, because they aren't in a division like ours and they dont have that many hard games this season.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;374323]Ditto, ditto, and ditto. I love how "some people" bitch about people bitching about the Skins. Why do hardcore Skins fans bitch about their team being 5-3? Because the Skins are NOT a good team. This team barely beat the freakin Dolphins and the Jets. The offense is sad, and the defense is only slightly above average. Good forbid we call a spade a spade. We are all fans of a very very mediocre team, in an extremely mediocre division. But for heavens sake, dont bitch, just ask for a refill of the Kool Aid cause Gibbs and Company will turn it around!

By the way, why does it say "Paulskinsfan is in danger of being benched" under my avatar? While I'll disagree with some of you, I usually have the stats or at least a logical argument to back it up, so what's up with that?[/QUOTE]

People probably gave you negative reputation points because they were tired of posts like these. Why is it that every time someone wants to enjoy a win and speak positively, it's drinking the Kool Aid? Why is that every time someone complains (even after wins) they refer to themselves and their ilk as "true hardcore fans" Just because I don't want to jump off a bridge and then put a shotgun to my head after the first drop of the game, doesn't mean I'm not a true fan.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;374352]People probably gave you negative reputation points because they were tired of posts like these. Why is it that every time someone wants to enjoy a win and speak positively, it's drinking the Kool Aid? Why is that every time someone complains (even after wins) they refer to themselves and their ilk as "true hardcore fans" Just because I don't want to jump off a bridge and then put a shotgun to my head after the first drop of the game, doesn't mean I'm not a true fan.[/quote]


True. But just because people are saying the Skins look like shit despite the win, doesn't mean they aren't fans either. I find it very very interesting that those of us who criticize this team are "on the bench" with reputation points, while most if not all of the Kool Aid gang are "players on the rise." Maybe cause those who have the points to give take care of their own? By the way, if someone is gonna give you negative rep points you should know who those individuals are. The whole rep points thing is pointless.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;374356]True. But just because people are saying the Skins look like shit despite the win, doesn't mean they aren't fans either. I find it very very interesting that those of us who criticize this team are "on the bench" with reputation points, while most if not all of the Kool Aid gang are "players on the rise." Maybe cause those who have the points to give take care of their own? By the way, if someone is gonna give you negative rep points you should know who those individuals are. The whole rep points thing is pointless.[/QUOTE]

Pointless when you don't get the points you want ;)

Seriously though, I can't speak for others but personally I've given positive points to some Cowboys fans here as well as some that said we don't have a shot at the playoffs. So this "take care of their own" nonsense is just that. Good posts are rewarded, whether I agree with them or not.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

the reason we lump it on the skins is because their the team we care about. We want the skins to win and kick ass and were tired of them struggling against crappy teams. Yes a bad win is better than a lost. But big picture this team not going anywhere until this offense pulls their weight. Where is the improvement on this team after 8 games? D starting to show some wholes, ST gave up a KO return sunday and god this offense is sad. Keeping JC underwraps makes no sense. Let the man play and let him make his mistakes and learn. 3 yard passed when its third and 5 is getting old. 8 yard passes on third and 10 etc. The skins can do better that what we all want, and yes we won which is great but let be real and say this team has to improve or we are going nowhere fast. We have a chance in this crappy NFC to make the playoffs. If we play like we have the last two weeks we wont.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;374359]the reason we lump it on the skins is because their the team we care about. We want the skins to win and kick ass and were tired of them struggling against crappy teams. Yes a bad win is better than a lost. But big picture this team not going anywhere until this offense pulls their weight. Where is the improvement on this team after 8 games? D starting to show some wholes, ST gave up a KO return sunday and god this offense is sad. Keeping JC underwraps makes no sense. Let the man play and let him make his mistakes and learn. 3 yard passed when its third and 5 is getting old. 8 yard passes on third and 10 etc. The skins can do better that what we all want, and yes we won which is great but let be real and say this team has to improve or we are going nowhere fast. We have a chance in this crappy NFC to make the playoffs. If we play like we have the last two weeks we wont.[/QUOTE]

Sure, I hear all that. I think, though, that too often we tend to put so many other teams on a higher level and ignore/refuse to acknowledge that all around the league there are teams struggling on offense, defense, special teams, front office moves, etc.

It doesn't hurt to think positive sometimes, but maybe others don't feel that way

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

i can give a rat ass about the other teams. I'm just holding my team up to a higher standard of play if they want to succeed. We want to be postive but just not blinded by it, we have to look threw the forest to see the trees.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

I don't understand why we are talking about teams that don't deserve their records, think about it, the skins could'a had it a lot worse, and we have a winnable game on sunday.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;374364]i can give a rat ass about the other teams. I'm just holding my team up to a higher standard of play if they want to succeed. We want to be postive but just not blinded by it, we have to look threw the forest to see the trees.[/QUOTE]

Well then you can't really answer the question in this thread since you don't even seem to pay attention to any other teams.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;374368]Well then you can't really answer the question in this thread since you don't even seem to pay attention to any other teams.[/quote]


that's a good point.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

Personally, I believe I've moved on from being unimpressed to acceptance that this is the team we've got. Take away the Patriots and the Colts, and to a lesser degree the Cowchips and the Packers, and the 28 remaining teams are completely up in the air. Apart from the clubs at the very top, any of the other teams are as vulnerable or as dominant as they feel like being from week to week.

My beef isn't necessarily with the players we have now, because they are what they are, and due to ass-kicking we've been taking in the injury department, there's only so far this team is going to go. And for the most part, the players are giving us the best they're capable of -- the obvious exceptions are Santana Moss, and up until yesterday, Clinton Portis. Those are guys who need to step the hell up.

Now, a separate argument is what this front office has done to prepare for injuries, and the track record they've had over four years to right this ship. Is it legitimate to complain that we aren't in that top tier of the league? I think so. That's where my hate is directed.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

Well, sadly, we have the lowest total points scored (152) of any winning team (I'm not including the Ravens because they play tonight). We have also been outscored by our opponents this year (160), even though a third of that came in one game. So aside from the Patriots aberration we're outscoring opponents 145-108 (average game score of 20-15). Not bad. Plus our three losses are to teams that are a combined 22-3. We haven't exactly had the toughest road in our wins though, with our victories over teams that are a combined 13-28!!! That's a glaring number right there. And only 1 of our 5 wins is against a winning team (Detroit). Could we be the "weakest" team with a winning record??? I think we might be.:(

Other contenders IMO: Detroit, Tampa, Jacksonville

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[QUOTE=GMScud;374373]Well, sadly, we have the lowest total points scored (152) of any winning team (I'm not including the Ravens because they play tonight). We have also been outscored by our opponents this year (160), even though a third of that came in one game. So aside from the Patriots aberration we're outscoring opponents 145-108 (average game score of 20-15). Not bad. Plus our three losses are to teams that are a combined 22-3. We haven't exactly had the toughest road in our wins though, with our victories over teams that are a combined 13-28!!! That's a glaring number right there. And only 1 of our 5 wins is against a winning team (Detroit). Could we be the "weakest" team with a winning record??? I think we might be.:(

Other contenders IMO: Detroit, Tampa, Jacksonville[/QUOTE]

Good post. Finally someone put some thought into their response here.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;374374]Good post. Finally someone put some thought into their response here.[/quote]

I like to think. Thinking is my favorite.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

Baltimore stinks, while they have a rock solid defense but their offense is just middle of the road at best. Like my teacher said tonight "If the Steelers get up 14-0 on the Ravens that game is over".

I think at this point in the season, the Redskins could beat the Ravens.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;374381]Baltimore stinks, while they have a rock solid defense but their offense is just middle of the road at best. Like my teacher said tonight "If the Steelers get up 14-0 on the Ravens that game is over".

I think at this point in the season, the Redskins could beat the Ravens.[/QUOTE]

Smart teacher

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

Baltimore Ravens by far.

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ravens for sure, just watch this game

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There are really only two complete teams in the league right now. EVERY other team has issues in some degree. Especially in the NFC.

Packers: can't run the ball consistently and thus have trouble closing out a game. Since they have Favre they still win the close ones.
Cowboys: Their secondary is not as strong as their pass defense ranking suggests. They get great pressure and confuse offenses but good QB's and OC can take advantage of them.
Giants: Not very consistent. Eli still rushes when he's knocked around and Burress makes highlight catches but is lost during long stretches of the game. Pass ranking of 22nd will hurt them against a team that can stop the run and eliminate big plays.
Lions: Kitna takes way too many hits and they still play completely different on grass.
Bucs: RB's are dropping left and right. Garcia is gutsy but they can't win as a one-dimensional team.
Panthers: Vinny? Carr? Simth has nobody to get him the ball and their D is showing their age.
Saints: Every time the ball is snapped could be a score. O is huge but where's the D?
Seahawks: can't run the ball effectively and don't pressure the QB.
Cards: They find a way to lose still. Warner is a good QB but immobile and injury prone. Could Rattay win a game?

What's my point? These are the division leaders. More than ever the NFL is about matchups. Despite being a "weak" team with a winning record, the Skins match up very well with some of these teams and horribly with others.

Re: Who is "weakest" team with winning record?
 

[quote=rypper11;374415]There are really only two complete teams in the league right now. EVERY other team has issues in some degree. Especially in the NFC.

Packers: can't run the ball consistently and thus have trouble closing out a game. Since they have Favre they still win the close ones.
Cowboys: Their secondary is not as strong as their pass defense ranking suggests. They get great pressure and confuse offenses but good QB's and OC can take advantage of them.
Giants: Not very consistent. Eli still rushes when he's knocked around and Burress makes highlight catches but is lost during long stretches of the game. Pass ranking of 22nd will hurt them against a team that can stop the run and eliminate big plays.
Lions: Kitna takes way too many hits and they still play completely different on grass.
Bucs: RB's are dropping left and right. Garcia is gutsy but they can't win as a one-dimensional team.
Panthers: Vinny? Carr? Simth has nobody to get him the ball and their D is showing their age.
Saints: Every time the ball is snapped could be a score. O is huge but where's the D?
Seahawks: can't run the ball effectively and don't pressure the QB.
Cards: They find a way to lose still. Warner is a good QB but immobile and injury prone. Could Rattay win a game?

What's my point? These are the division leaders. More than ever the NFL is about matchups. Despite being a "weak" team with a winning record, the Skins match up very well with some of these teams and horribly with others.[/quote]

You wouldn't call Pittsburgh a complete team? Granted, they are pouring it on Baltimore right now, but they do everything well. Excellent running and passing attack, very good special teams, and maybe the best D in football. They're outstanding despite 2 losses.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;374323]By the way, why does it say "Paulskinsfan is in danger of being benched" under my avatar? While I'll disagree with some of you, I usually have the stats or at least a logical argument to back it up, so what's up with that?[/QUOTE]

I know you're a longtime member and usually put a lot of thought into your posts. And, I don't recall reading any of your posts and thinking, "WTF." So, I don't know exactly why you are getting negative reputation points. My guess is that you are being lumped in with less-thoughtful people who are saying things like, "we are is the worests team in tha worlsds." It's unfair, but it seems like two camps are developing on this site (the Kool-Aid Crew and the Negative Nancies) and there is little room for people who are somewhere in between.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;374444]I know you're a longtime member and usually put a lot of thought into your posts. And, I don't recall reading any of your posts and thinking, "WTF." So, I don't know exactly why you are getting negative reputation points. My guess is that you are being lumped in with less-thoughtful people who are saying things like, "we are is the worests team in tha worlsds." It's unfair, but it seems like two camps are developing on this site (the Kool-Aid Crew and the Negative Nancies) and there is little room for people who are somewhere in between.[/quote]

I feel you SSG. Sometimes I feel like I'm the middle of the battle of the titans here sometimes. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a kool-aid drinker or a negative ass as long as you can back up what you're saying. I mean if you think the Skins suck but you can actually back up your statement, I don't think there should be such a terrible backlash. Now these trollers who just roll up in here saying "Skins suck" and thats all. Or those people who say, "Game Over" When we're up by 7, those guys suck ad I can understand wanting to strangle them with piano wire. But can't we take it easier on those who dissent as long as they are dissenting rationally?

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[quote=GMScud;374420]You wouldn't call Pittsburgh a complete team? Granted, they are pouring it on Baltimore right now, but they do everything well. Excellent running and passing attack, very good special teams, and maybe the best D in football. They're outstanding despite 2 losses.[/quote]

After last night's game, wow. I really was just breaking down the NFC and showing that despite our nonexistent downfield passing attack every team in our conference has an equally glaring weakness.
If the Steelers were in the NFC they would be in the SB but they are not as consistent as the Colts and Pats. I think that would make a lot folks on here pretty ticked.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;374444]I know you're a longtime member and usually put a lot of thought into your posts. And, I don't recall reading any of your posts and thinking, "WTF." So, I don't know exactly why you are getting negative reputation points. My guess is that you are being lumped in with less-thoughtful people who are saying things like, "we are is the worests team in tha worlsds." It's unfair, but it seems like two camps are developing on this site (the Kool-Aid Crew and the Negative Nancies) and there is little room for people who are somewhere in between.[/quote]


Well, thanks for the empathy, Id throw points your way but I don't think I have them to spare since Im in danger of being benched.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;374448]I feel you SSG. Sometimes I feel like I'm the middle of the battle of the titans here sometimes. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a kool-aid drinker or a negative ass as long as you can back up what you're saying. I mean if you think the Skins suck but you can actually back up your statement, I don't think there should be such a terrible backlash. Now these trollers who just roll up in here saying "Skins suck" and thats all. Or those people who say, "Game Over" When we're up by 7, those guys suck ad I can understand wanting to strangle them with piano wire. But can't we take it easier on those who dissent as long as they are dissenting rationally?[/QUOTE]

I definitely think we need more middle-of-the-roaders. We need people who are fans and see the good, but who are willing to speak their minds about the bad as well. I think that it you have bad things to say about the team, coaches, or players, and you speak your piece in a thoughtful and articulate manner, you will generally be well-received. If, however, you are saying "ridicules" things (e.g., "we are the woretsr team in the hole world") and being negative, expect to be "ridickuled."

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[quote=paulskinsfan;374356]True. But just because people are saying the Skins look like shit despite the win, doesn't mean they aren't fans either. I find it very very interesting that those of us who criticize this team are "on the bench" with reputation points, while most if not all of the Kool Aid gang are "players on the rise." Maybe cause those who have the points to give take care of their own? By the way, if someone is gonna give you negative rep points you should know who those individuals are. The whole rep points thing is pointless.[/quote]

You can see what rep points and comments you've received in your [URL="http://www.redskinswarpath.com/usercp.php"]user cp[/URL]

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unfortunately I believe we are one of the top weaker teams with a winning record. of the teams mentioned, Cleveland can at least put some points on the board to keep them in games. We can't put more than 20 on the worst D in the league. Carolina is awful, i put them above us. That may be the only team I have above us as far as worst team with a winning record (4-4 i think - technically not a winning record, but not a losing one either)

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After last night the Ravens would be my clear choice.

McNair really doesn't have much left, they should just start Boller.

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[QUOTE=irish;374051]Thats easy, its the Skins. The Skins have almost no offense and an average D.[/QUOTE]

:doh:

It's funny, I read the post before I read the name of the poster and my immediate thought was "that must be irish or offiss."

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;374356]True. But just because people are saying the Skins look like shit despite the win, doesn't mean they aren't fans either. I find it very very interesting that those of us who criticize this team are "on the bench" with reputation points, while most if not all of the Kool Aid gang are "players on the rise." Maybe cause those who have the points to give take care of their own? By the way, if someone is gonna give you negative rep points you should know who those individuals are. T[B]he whole rep points thing is pointless.[/B][/QUOTE]

A pointless point system? That's ironic.

I for one only give negative rep if someone says something absolutely asinine or illogical. There's plenty of things I disagree with, but if they're well reasoned and coherent I've got no problem with it.

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The Ravens are shot. Maybe 7 wins for the year; surely no more than 8.

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Yeah, after last night's game this isn't really even a question worth debating. The Ravens are the weakest team with a winning record.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;374323]Ditto, ditto, and ditto. I love how "some people" bitch about people bitching about the Skins. Why do hardcore Skins fans bitch about their team being 5-3? Because the Skins are NOT a good team. This team barely beat the freakin Dolphins and the Jets. The offense is sad, and the defense is only slightly above average. Good forbid we call a spade a spade. We are all fans of a very very mediocre team, in an extremely mediocre division. But for heavens sake, dont bitch, just ask for a refill of the Kool Aid cause Gibbs and Company will turn it around!

By the way, why does it say "Paulskinsfan is in danger of being benched" under my avatar? While I'll disagree with some of you, I usually have the stats or at least a logical argument to back it up, so what's up with that?[/quote]

So barely beating a bad team means your a mediocre team? So does that mean Dallas narrowly, and I mean NARROWLY, escaping defeat at the hands of the Bills makes them mediocre. What about New England who had to use all 4 quarters to put the Browns away? The funny thing is when we lose to a good team like Green Bay, who beat us by a complete fluke of a play, were better than them and should have won, but when we beat teams that we should beat, no matter how you beat them, the team is criticized for not completely demolishing them. Were you the same fans complaining the year we made the playoffs after we loss to the horrible Raiders, crying that the season was over? Come on already, were two games over .500, completely in the thick of the playoff race and were considered mediocre because we dont crush teams.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;374800]So barely beating a bad team means your a mediocre team? So does that mean Dallas narrowly, and I mean NARROWLY, escaping defeat at the hands of the Bills makes them mediocre. What about New England who had to use all 4 quarters to put the Browns away? The funny thing is when we lose to a good team like Green Bay, who beat us by a complete fluke of a play, were better than them and should have won, but when we beat teams that we should beat, no matter how you beat them, the team is criticized for not completely demolishing them. Were you the same fans complaining the year we made the playoffs after we loss to the horrible Raiders, crying that the season was over? Come on already, were two games over .500, completely in the thick of the playoff race and were considered mediocre because we dont crush teams.[/quote]

Sigh. No sir, we are a mediocre team because as of today the Skins are the following:

22nd in the league in scoring
21st in the league in tds
20th in the league in yards per game
26th in the league in passing

The Skins are mediocre because they it took them overtime to beat 2 pathetic teams in the Dolphins and the Jets. AND the Skins are mediocre because they almost lost to the Cardinals who played Kurt Warner with 1 freaking arm and refused to blitz him the entire game. Do you want anymore reasons why the Skins aren't all that good or have I satisfied your curiosity?

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amen PSU

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[quote=paulskinsfan;374832]Sigh. No sir, we are a mediocre team because as of today the Skins are the following:

22nd in the league in scoring
21st in the league in tds
20th in the league in yards per game
26th in the league in passing

The Skins are mediocre because they it took them overtime to beat 2 pathetic teams in the Dolphins and the Jets. AND the Skins are mediocre because they almost lost to the Cardinals who played Kurt Warner with 1 freaking arm and refused to blitz him the entire game. Do you want anymore reasons why the Skins aren't all that good or have I satisfied your curiosity?[/quote]

Why didnt you put up defensive rankings, is offense the only side of the ball? So there mediocre because the Skins barely defeated the Cardinals, you do realize the Cardinals beat the Steelers, the third best team in the AFC. You give me no reasons at all, your using victories as the reason for the skins being mediocre. This is the NFL, were not going to blow out opponents week after week, it just doesnt happen like that. We didnt blitz Kurt Warner at all and guess what? he threw two picks, one of which went for a touchdown, not to mention Andre Carter sacked him and forced a fumble, so we were able to get three turnovers without blitzing, but obviously you know more about coaching defense than Gregg Williams. A win is a win, do you think Dallas is complaining about barely beating Buffalo?
If your going to use stats instead of wins to consider a team mediocre than your going about it all wrong, we set a league record for the least amount of offensive yards in the playoff game against Tampa Bay, and we still won, was anyone complaining and calling us mediocre then? Stats are for fantasy football

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;374892]Why didnt you put up defensive rankings, is offense the only side of the ball? So there mediocre because the Skins barely defeated the Cardinals, you do realize the Cardinals beat the Steelers, the third best team in the AFC. You give me no reasons at all, your using victories as the reason for the skins being mediocre. This is the NFL, were not going to blow out opponents week after week, it just doesnt happen like that. We didnt blitz Kurt Warner at all and guess what? he threw two picks, one of which went for a touchdown, not to mention Andre Carter sacked him and forced a fumble, so we were able to get three turnovers without blitzing, but obviously you know more about coaching defense than Gregg Williams. A win is a win, do you think Dallas is complaining about barely beating Buffalo?[/quote]On the whole, we are perfectly average. The weakness in the offense nullifies any of the positives that the defense and special teams have.

We have a tough Philly team this week we will play for the right to stay out of the division cellar (or near it at least), so I'm hanging humble until we take care of business. Don't underrate this team, they are better than us in many respects.