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The Giants without a doubt that way if we win we are only one game out of first place.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;375296]I disagree that this is a runaway for Dallas. They still have the Giants, Lions, Panthers, and Skins on the road; Redskins, Jets, Packers, and Eagles at home. Not a runaway schedule if you ask me. Maybe the only easy game in there is the Jets, but they'll get better with their new QB too.

I think the goal is to always win the division, and to say that crown belongs to the Cowboys after 8 games is just plain ridiculuous. I will root for the Giants, and for the Skins to take care of business down the road and the division can still be won.

By the way, we still have to beat the Eagles this week.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the goal is to win the division, but at a certain point let's be realistic.

In order for us to win the division two things have to happen: Dallas has to pretty much fall apart for the second half of the season, and the Skins have to kick it in to high gear.

Are both those things happening simultaneously impossible? No, of course not. It is, however, highly improbable, given what we know about the first half of the season, that both of those events will occur simultaneously.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;375383]The Giants without a doubt that way if we win we are only one game out of first place.[/QUOTE]

But we'll be behind two different teams, instead of being tied with one of them, which is what we'll be if the Giants lose and we beat the Eagles.

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Giants ...of course!:dallas::biggthump




Giants 31

Dallas 27

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[QUOTE=BringBackJoeT;375389]But we'll be behind two different teams, instead of being tied with one of them, which is what we'll be if the Giants lose and we beat the Eagles.[/QUOTE]

Exactly - I guess this seems kind of of obvious to me.

There's nothing shameful about playing for a wild card. Take an honest look around at our team, our performance in the first half of the season and the competition in the NFC, particularly the NFC East. Playing for a wild card is the most likely scenario. It's not pessimism, simply and honest view on where we stand.

That being said, I'd be more than thrilled if we didn't lose a single game the rest of the season and everyone else in the NFC East had a complete meltdown. It'd make my season.

I just don't think that's real likely.

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[quote=angryssg;375370]Got it. In your world, history has no bearing on the present. I said it was a stretch. I am merely looking outside the obvious for something to give me hope. Sorry for bringing it up, but isn't it the experts that say the teams with the best chance are the ones who play well in December?

You are correct, those teams are not the same as the ones on the field right now. Alot has changed and they are the two best teams in the NFC. We shouldn't even finish the season or take the field agaist those guys because they have already won the division and made the playoffs.

No reason to be optimistic about anything right now, because it is too much of a stretch.

Come on, I am making a prediction, a very bold prediction based on previous observations. That is all.

Seriously though, conventional wisdom says that -right now NY and Dallas are very solid football teams, and their previous records mean nothing. I understand, but I however, am not conventional.[/quote]


SSG

Wow, you really are angry aren't you?

I didn't say there isn't any reason to be optimistic. If you look at my previous posts, I think you'll find that I believe the Skins can still win the division. That's optimistic.

I appreciate your opinion and your optimism, I was just saying that I don't think the previous melt downs will have any bearing on the outcome of this year.

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[quote=mheisig;375388]Yeah, the goal is to win the division, but at a certain point let's be realistic.

In order for us to win the division two things have to happen: Dallas has to pretty much fall apart for the second half of the season, and the Skins have to kick it in to high gear.

Are both those things happening simultaneously impossible? No, of course not. It is, however, highly improbable, given what we know about the first half of the season, that both of those events will occur simultaneously.[/quote]


Dallas doesn't have to fall apart, we simply have to beat them twice and beat the Giants in NY. That is all [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG]

I think if you want to talk about being realistic, let's not hand the division to Dallas after 8 games.

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;375389]But we'll be behind two different teams, instead of being tied with one of them, which is what we'll be if the Giants lose and we beat the Eagles.[/quote]

if the giants lose and we win we will still be behind them and 2 out of first place.

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Dallas 38 NYG 34 would love to see dallas lose, cant stand them doing good.

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Here is the perfect scenario....both of these teams had their winning spurts lasts year, and then faded late in the season...if the Giants can beat the Cowboys, maybe then they'll lose at Detroit the following week, and maybe we'll beat the Cowboys the following week and then guess who's tied for 1st??? But it all has to start with the Giants beating the cowboys!

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;375394]I think if you want to talk about being realistic, [B]let's not hand the division to Dallas after 8 games.[/B].[/QUOTE]

Nobody is "handing" Dallas anything. We're simply stating what we think is most likely. The 'Chips still have to go out and play. Certainly, the season isn't over, and maybe the G-strings and the 'Chips will get a taste of the kind of injuries the Redskins have had to deal with and the odds will even out.

It's just an opinion. I think this is Dallas' year to win the NFC East. If you don't and you think the Skins will win the division crown, then more power to you.

I guess that's why I'm not in the Kool Aid crowd.

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i say its about time for dallas to take a nose dive and the gmen as well giants win and we get our pasing offemse on the mend

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I don't care so much who wins. The fact that both teams will be beating the shit out of eachother for 60 min of football is good for us. Romo will take some shots this weekend too against the Gmen pass rush.

Does anyone else think this is the game of the week?

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[quote=Beemnseven;375420]Nobody is "handing" Dallas anything. We're simply stating what we think is most likely. The 'Chips still have to go out and play. Certainly, the season isn't over, and maybe the G-strings and the 'Chips will get a taste of the kind of injuries the Redskins have had to deal with and the odds will even out.

It's just an opinion. I think this is Dallas' year to win the NFC East. If you don't and you think the Skins will win the division crown, then more power to you.

I guess that's why I'm not in the Kool Aid crowd.[/quote]

We? What, do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Actually, I was responding to mheisig who said "barring some massive collapse, Dallas is taking the division hands down."

That, to me, sounds like handing the division to Dallas.

And my counterpoint was simply that if we beat Dallas twice and take care of business otherwise, it won't take a "massive collapse", and they won't run away with it.

That is all.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;375516]Actually, I was responding to mheisig who said "barring some massive collapse, Dallas is taking the division hands down."

That, to me, sounds like handing the division to Dallas.

And my counterpoint was simply that if we beat Dallas twice and take care of business otherwise, it won't take a "massive collapse", and they won't run away with it.

That is all.[/quote]

First of all, no one is handing Dallas the division. They are effing taking it. And I love the idea that "all we have to do is beat Dallas twice"... There's an easy task. What about this Redskins team tells you they can take two from the best team in the NFC?

Those of us that think that Dallas should win are just being realistic, and realistically, Washington's best chance at the playoffs is a wild card. Dallas beating the Giants and Washington beating Philly will be the best scenario. Then Washington only has to outplay the Giants in the second half of the season, rather than the Giants AND Cowboys.

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I'm hoping for the first tie since the Steelers and Falcons in 2002.

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[quote=Southpaw;375524]First of all, no one is handing Dallas the division. They are effing taking it. And I love the idea that "all we have to do is beat Dallas twice"... There's an easy task. What about this Redskins team tells you they can take two from the best team in the NFC?

Those of us that think that Dallas should win are just being realistic, and realistically, Washington's best chance at the playoffs is a wild card. Dallas beating the Giants and Washington beating Philly will be the best scenario. Then Washington only has to outplay the Giants in the second half of the season, rather than the Giants AND Cowboys.[/quote]


Great, Dallas is taking the Division. Let's pack up and go home now.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon13.gif[/IMG] I mean if we can't beat Dallas, what makes you think we can beat the Giants in New York?

How about a little optimism as opposed to what you call "realism", because realistically, anybody can beat anybody in this league. All the redskins offense needs to do is start averaging about 7-10 more points a game and there aren't many teams out there that can beat them.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG]

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Death to both is an acceptable answer. I really think my hatred for the giants is almost equal to my hatred for the cowboys. New yorkers bring the worst out of me, except for you kornheiser although I had my moments during the first philly-skins game on MNF. For our postseason hopes it is better for the cowboys to win so we have a better shot at that wildcard. I won't be watching much of the game anyway I'll be bbq'ing after the game trying to sober up for the drive home from FedEx. Maybe I will get home in time to catch Umenyiora decapitate Romo. I guess I'm rooting for injuries when its all said and done

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;375535]Great, Dallas is taking the Division. Let's pack up and go home now.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon13.gif[/IMG] I mean if we can't beat Dallas, what makes you think we can beat the Giants in New York?

How about a little optimism as opposed to what you call "realism", because realistically, anybody can beat anybody in this league. [B]All the redskins offense needs to do is start averaging about 7-10 more points a game and there aren't many teams out there that can beat them[/B].[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG][/quote]

That's a bit more than optimism... That's a flat out fairy tale. Washington hasn't been able to do that since Gibbs returned. And I think I'm being optimistic by saying they'll make the playoffs. This team is by no means dominant, and they are going to have to win a lot of tough games just to grab the wild card.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;375535]Great, Dallas is taking the Division. Let's pack up and go home now.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon13.gif[/IMG] I mean if we can't beat Dallas, what makes you think we can beat the Giants in New York?

How about a little optimism as opposed to what you call "realism", because realistically, anybody can beat anybody in this league. All the redskins offense needs to do is start averaging about 7-10 more points a game and there aren't many teams out there that can beat them.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I'm with you on this. I don't think we're that far off. Really, it's just a matter of turning these drives that end in field goals into drives that end in touchdowns. Not an easy task but it can be done. The challenge is really to get the passing game going, which I think won't fully happen until they get McCardell (who at this time I think may be their best receiver) more involved.

This weekend is huge for us, but it's too early to hand the division to the Cowboys. Look at the Giants last year. They were 6-2 at this point and then barely made the playoffs at 8-8. Not likely the Cowboys will collapse like that, but as long as we take care of our business I think we can stay in the thick of things.

But then, I guess that's why I'm not part of the Tylenol laced with cyanide crowd around here.

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[quote=Southpaw;375544]That's a bit more than optimism... That's a flat out fairy tale. Washington hasn't been able to do that since Gibbs returned. And I think I'm being optimistic by saying they'll make the playoffs. This team is by no means dominant, and they are going to have to win a lot of tough games just to grab the wild card.[/quote]

Well, at some point with the weapons they have on offense things have to start to click. I believe JC will start to hit those deep balls he's been just missing, he'll gain confidence and they will get rolling. If you want to call it a fairy tale, that's your deal. I don't think it's much of a stretch. I agree that they will have to win a lot of games just to get the wild card, but in the end, I don't think there is going to be much separating the division winner from the wild card(s) in the NFC East.

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[quote=SmootSmack;375545]But then, I guess that's why I'm not part of the Tylenol laced with cyanide crowd around here.[/quote]

The thing is, even the people(at least within this thread) that think that Cowboys will win the division still think Washington has a good shot at the playoffs. There aren't any offiss type replies here. And all I'm saying is it will be a lot easier to outplay the Giants down the stretch than both the Giants and Cowboys. Of course the goal is to win every game, but that's not likely to happen.

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This is a seriously stupid question....read my autosignature

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;375393]SSG

Wow, you really are angry aren't you?

I didn't say there isn't any reason to be optimistic. If you look at my previous posts, I think you'll find that I believe the Skins can still win the division. That's optimistic.

I appreciate your opinion and your optimism, I was just saying that I don't think the previous melt downs will have any bearing on the outcome of this year.[/quote]

Actually, alot of that was sarcasim. The Angry part always puts people in a mindset that I am always angry. I'm really not. You know I'm angry when the profanity starts flying, otherwise I'm just being a smartass.

You have a solid argument about the past not meaning anything, but I just do not agree. No hard feelings.

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it doesnt matter who wins. but we need to sweep all our remaining division games

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I've never held the Giants with the same hatred I have for the Cowboys (and Eagles), so I'd prefer to see the Giants win. At this point, I'm more concerned about the Skins taking care of their own business than looking at who we need to lose.

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G-Men!!

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I hope the Giants win. There are still 8 games left so catching the Cowboys while unlikely is not totally out of the question.

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Giants. For the same reasons many people here have said. Tighten the division. Don't want the Boys to get to far ahead. Although if we lose to the Eagles I will be really questioning weather this is a playoff team. I really hope we are and we beat the Eagles. I said it before in another post. WE need to win every game from here on out and take home field advantage through out the playoffs.

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Who do I want to win? Giants.

I was posting on another board. Giants are 6-2, playing 7-1 Cowb!tches, and I am just not excited for this game. I think the Giants will win, but in years past a game like this I would be thinking about for a week. Listening to every second of sports talk radio that I could get. However, just not that into this game. Sucks.

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Cowboys

we'll be tied for 2nd in the division w/ Giants

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I say the Giants, unless someone finds a way for them to both lose.