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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;376961]How did Bill Cowher suddenly became the answer to everything?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, how many seasons did it take for Cowher to win a SB?

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[quote=SmootSmack;376961]How did Bill Cowher suddenly became the answer to everything?[/quote]


He is not the answer, but shit Gibbs isn't, and who is going to take over when Gibbs is gone regardless of if he steps down or stays for the full term? Nobody decent is coming out of the college ranks(maybe Carroll of USC). The best coaches in the NCAA know they have it nice and cushy if they are proven winner already. Any decent assistants out there capable of being a HC? Shoot we got two of the top assistants here already. We need a younger guy that still has fire in the belly still and is a proven winner in the FA era. I mean WTF!!!!! Are you going to keep hiding behind injuries to defend Gibbs as god still? I mean come on, enough is enough. Cowher is the best candidate right now, and if Gibbs stays then Cowher might land somewhere else. This is more than just Gibbs. it is about post Gibbs. Post Gibbs II might look as bleak as post Gibbs I unless we get a true proven winner. Sorry guys, there isn't much out there in the vet coaching pool but Cowher. You want to try GW as HC? Saunders? I don't think so

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;376974]He is not the answer, but shit Gibbs isn't, and who is going to take over when Gibbs is gone regardless of if he steps down or stays for the full term? Nobody decent is coming out of the college ranks(maybe Carroll of USC). The best coaches in the NCAA know they have it nice and cushy if they are proven winner already. Any decent assistants out there capable of being a HC? Shoot we got two of the top assistants here already. We need a younger guy that still has fire in the belly still and is a proven winner in the FA era. I mean WTF!!!!! Are you going to keep hiding behind injuries to defend Gibbs as god still? I mean come on, enough is enough.[/QUOTE]

First of all, you guys don't have enough patience to wait for Bill Cowher to give us a Super Bowl title. Secondly, Pete Carroll has already tried his hand at the NFL. He was left with a Super Bowl team in NE (thanks to Parcells) and brought the team down to being an 8-8 team. No thanks.

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COWHER... he said he wasnt coaching this year or next... Gibbs has said before a couple of times he wants to be true to his word and finish his contract ... We have had rumors surrounding talkin' to Cowher .... coincidence? He already has something in place with Danny boy .... Cowher will replace Gibbs!

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[quote=skinsguy;376976]First of all, you guys don't have enough patience to wait for Bill Cowher to give us a Super Bowl title. Secondly, Pete Carroll has already tried his hand at the NFL. He was left with a Super Bowl team in NE (thanks to Parcells) and brought the team down to being an 8-8 team. No thanks.[/quote]
I would just like the playoffs to be honest. The SB would be nice, but to be able to win the division and make the playoffs yearly would be great. At least we would be a winner. I don't want Carroll either, I was making the point as to why we should go for Cowher. And Skins, you better think about post Gibbs, because it is going to happen soon.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;376974]He is not the answer, but shit Gibbs isn't, and who is going to take over when Gibbs is gone regardless of if he steps down or stays for the full term? Nobody decent is coming out of the college ranks(maybe Carroll of USC). The best coaches in the NCAA know they have it nice and cushy if they are proven winner already. Any decent assistants out there capable of being a HC? Shoot we got two of the top assistants here already. We need a younger guy that still has fire in the belly still and is a proven winner in the FA era. I mean WTF!!!!! Are you going to keep hiding behind injuries to defend Gibbs as god still? I mean come on, enough is enough.[/QUOTE]

Part of me hopes Gibbs does leave and gives a big FU to the fans as he leaves. Yes, there are plenty of reasons to lay blame at his feet. Even he says ultimately the responsibility is on him. But it's unbelievable how he can get the blame for every mistake, but never the credit for success. Not this go around at least. When our running game, for example, is successful it's all about how great Portis is (and he is). But when it stalls, suddenly it's "Grandpa Gibbs and his conservative playcalling is killing us"

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;376978]I would just like the playoffs to be honest. The SB would be nice, but to be able to win the division and make the playoffs yearly would be great. At least we would be a winner. I don't want Carroll either, I was making the point as to why we should go for Cowher. And Skins, you better think about post Gibbs, because it is going to happen soon.[/QUOTE]

There's no guarantee that Cowher is going to be any better than Gibbs in this division though. There definitely is no guarantee that we'd win the division on a regular basis. Gibbs is good enough to at least get this team to the playoffs, but I honestly believe you guys would not be just happy with that. If that was the case, we would've just kept Marty.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;376981]There's no guarantee that Cowher is going to be any better than Gibbs in this division though. There definitely is no guarantee that we'd win the division on a regular basis. Gibbs is good enough to at least get this team to the playoffs, but I honestly believe you guys would not be just happy with that. If that was the case, we would've just kept Marty.[/QUOTE]

Bottom line some guys just won't ever be happy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;376979]Part of me hopes Gibbs does leave and gives a big FU to the fans as he leaves. Yes, there are plenty of reasons to lay blame at his feet. Even he says ultimately the responsibility is on him. But it's unbelievable how he can get the blame for every mistake, but never the credit for success. Not this go around at least. When our running game, for example, is successful it's all about how great Portis is (and he is). But when it stalls, suddenly it's "Grandpa Gibbs and his conservative playcalling is killing us"[/quote]

I think that's just kind of the nature of Skins fans. We've gotten so used to coach bashing since he left after the 91 SuperBowl. Gibbs set the bar awfully high for himself. The expectations were so massive when he came back. I know the day they announced his return I was screaming like an idiot and running laps around my living room. He made the playoffs in what, 10 out of his first 11 seasons here? Was it so crazy to think we'd be a contender after a season or two? He's brought stability back to the organization. No question. Unfortunately the wins haven't come with it.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;376984]Bottom line some guys just won't ever be happy.[/QUOTE]

That's true, and it's evident by threads like this. Too many fans have the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality. I mean, I understand not wanting to be satisfied with an 8-8 team, especially a team that can't get to the Super Bowl. But on the other hand, you don't become a Super Bowl team over night. I don't believe you can put a time limit on building a foundation to a winning team. I've said it before, if it takes Gibbs five years to build a team that will win on a consistent basis year after year, then by all means, take that long. I'd rather have that than one Super Bowl year and another decade (or longer) of losing.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;376987]I think that's just kind of the nature of Skins fans. We've gotten so used to coach bashing since he left after the 91 SuperBowl. Gibbs set the bar awfully high for himself. The expectations were so massive when he came back. I know the day they announced his return I was screaming like an idiot and running laps around my living room. He made the playoffs in what, 10 out of his first 11 seasons here? Was it so crazy to think we'd be a contender after a season or two? He's brought stability back to the organization. No question. Unfortunately the wins haven't come with it.[/QUOTE]

With stability comes the wins, but it's not an overnight success. Gibbs is trying to undo the losers mentality of this team that has hung around ever since he left the first time. I honestly don't see how he could do that within five years let alone three or four. But like SS said, this season is far from over, and if this team makes it to the post season this year, then it moves up closer to turning the corner next year. I mean, I can only imagine having a young QB who has playoff experience with a team that was riddled with injuries. There are a lot of positives to this team. Unfortunately for us, it has been the little things that have kept us from turning the corner earlier.

If we were getting blown out in ever loss we have had since Gibbs has come back, then I'd be worried, but that isn't the case. There is a fine line between being a top team and being a losing team. I believe you make a coaching change now, and you remove all doubt that this team's stablity will be gone, and everything we have worked up to at this point will be scraped.

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[quote=skinsguy;376992]With stability comes the wins, but it's not an overnight success. Gibbs is trying to undo the losers mentality of this team that has hung around ever since he left the first time. I honestly don't see how he could do that within five years let alone three or four. But like SS said, this season is far from over, and if this team makes it to the post season this year, then it moves up closer to turning the corner next year. I mean, I can only imagine having a young QB who has playoff experience with a team that was riddled with injuries. There are a lot of positives to this team. Unfortunately for us, it has been the little things that have kept us from turning the corner earlier.

If we were getting blown out in ever loss we have had since Gibbs has come back, then I'd be worried, but that isn't the case. There is a fine line between being a top team and being a losing team. I believe you make a coaching change now, and you remove all doubt that this team's stablity will be gone, and everything we have worked up to at this point will be scraped.[/quote]

I don't think for one second Gibbs should leave now. But how long is the leash? We have almost all of the same problems we had in his first season, and it's not getting much better. I think pending the end result of this season, you have to consider other options.

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This is BS. Gibbs assembled this bunch to win now, not to be a perennial contender over the next several years. Too many injury prone vets on this team.

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[quote=skinsguy;376992]With stability comes the wins, but it's not an overnight success. Gibbs is trying to undo the losers mentality of this team that has hung around ever since he left the first time. I honestly don't see how he could do that within five years let alone three or four. But like SS said, this season is far from over, and if this team makes it to the post season this year, then it moves up closer to turning the corner next year. I mean, I can only imagine having a young QB who has playoff experience with a team that was riddled with injuries. There are a lot of positives to this team. Unfortunately for us, it has been the little things that have kept us from turning the corner earlier.

If we were getting blown out in ever loss we have had since Gibbs has come back, then I'd be worried, but that isn't the case. There is a fine line between being a top team and being a losing team. I believe you make a coaching change now, and you remove all doubt that this team's stablity will be gone, and everything we have worked up to at this point will be scraped.[/quote]

If we make it to the post season? are you being serious? we just lost at home to the Eagles, who are horrible by the way. Were not going to the playoffs and if we do were losing in the first round. Until Gregg Williams pulls his head out of his ass and stops this rediculous zone defense, this team will continue to get burned.

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;377009]If we make it to the post season? are you being serious? we just lost at home to the Eagles, who are horrible by the way. Were not going to the playoffs and if we do were losing in the first round. Until Gregg Williams pulls his head out of his ass and stops this rediculous zone defense, this team will continue to get burned.[/QUOTE]

Way to have faith.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;377009]If we make it to the post season? are you being serious? we just lost at home to the Eagles, who are horrible by the way. Were not going to the playoffs and if we do were losing in the first round. Until Gregg Williams pulls his head out of his ass and stops this [B]rediculous[/B] zone defense, this team will continue to get burned.[/quote]

!!!!! Ridiculous!

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[quote=SmootSmack;376961]How did Bill Cowher suddenly became the answer to everything?[/quote]AMEN brother!!! How many AFC Championships did Cowher lose AT HOME? At least two that I can recall. Gibbs lost ONLY ONE postseason game at home in his entire career. I really don't see Cowher as the answer to advance us further. Before he won his Super Bowl and got out, I considered Cowher just another Schottenheimer.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;377009]If we make it to the post season? are you being serious? we just lost at home to the Eagles, who are horrible by the way. Were not going to the playoffs and if we do were losing in the first round. Until Gregg Williams pulls his head out of his ass and stops this rediculous zone defense, this team will continue to get burned.[/quote]I've been critical of the team, but how can anyone say that we're out of the playoff picture? The NFC sucks out loud. Even with this bad loss, we're only one game out of the wild card, and finally showing signs of a viable passing attack to complement Portis. While I'm not overly optimistic about next week, 9-7 is still very doable, and that should be good enough for a wild card.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;376611]If Williams doesn't get the job, he's leaving and probably taking Blache and Grey with him. If he doesn't get the job when Gibbs leaves which I don't believe will happen until 2009, we have to start over on defense. Not to say that should decide the thing, but it has to be part of the equation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=skinsguy]I personally don't see Gregg Williams or Saunders getting the job no matter how Gibbs leaves this team or when he leaves as head coach. But at any rate, I say it's all a moot point until the season is over.[/QUOTE]

Good points from both of you. My sense is that if Dan Snyder had the power to dismiss assistant coaches, Williams would have been gone last year, and Saunders would have been shown the door at some point over the last few games. Snyder's patience has no doubt worn thin for these two guys. I'd bet he's chomping at the bit to take the axe to someone.

But he won't dare touch Gibbs.

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does it really matter who the coach is? with out a GM or a good owner it doesnt matter. this team is average at best

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Williams is probably taking Danny Smith with him as well.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;376992]With stability comes the wins, but it's not an overnight success. [B]Gibbs is trying to undo the losers mentality of this team that has hung around ever since he left the first time. I honestly don't see how he could do that within five years let alone three or four. [/B]But like SS said, this season is far from over, and if this team makes it to the post season this year, then it moves up closer to turning the corner next year. I mean, I can only imagine having a young QB who has playoff experience with a team that was riddled with injuries. There are a lot of positives to this team. Unfortunately for us, it has been the little things that have kept us from turning the corner earlier.

If we were getting blown out in ever loss we have had since Gibbs has come back, then I'd be worried, but that isn't the case. There is a fine line between being a top team and being a losing team. I believe you make a coaching change now, and you remove all doubt that this team's stablity will be gone, and everything we have worked up to at this point will be scraped.[/QUOTE]

Five years? It didn't take that long for Gibbs to turn it around in his first stint, and the Skins were down in the dumps then too. There are just way too many uncharacteristic issues this team has with Joe Gibbs leading them.

I agree that Gibbs shouldn't step down quite yet. Only problem is, does [I]he[/I] agree with us?

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as much as i blame gibbs this time around i blame sydner too. We will never win with little danny unless we change the front office

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[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;377049]as much as i blame gibbs this time around i blame sydner too. We will never win with little danny unless we change the front office[/QUOTE]

Because he hasn't hired a GM?

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yes gibbs is not a personel man. We need someone who knows what he doing. Instead of tradint 3 and 4 rounds picks for lloyd and duckett those picks could be starting olinemen or a DE for us right now. Remember Gibbs said that Howard had no wholes. We could have had Pickens and Vincent in that draft after our superbowl fun in the 92 draft. What have we done with Danny in charge>>> One playoff win in 2005 since 2000 wow

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;377059]yes gibbs is not a personel man. We need someone who knows what he doing. Instead of tradint 3 and 4 rounds picks for lloyd and duckett those picks could be starting olinemen or a DE for us right now. Remember Gibbs said that Howard had no wholes. We could have had Pickens and Vincent in that draft after our superbowl fun in the 92 draft. What have we done with Danny in charge>>> One playoff win in 2005 since 2000 wow[/quote]I recall the "no holes" description of Desmond Howard well. That pick followed by Shuler and Michael Westbrook, set the Skins back for years.

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Gibbs will be back for his last season. I still have faith that he will make something happen while he's back in DC. I still think the Redskins are in far better shape now than since he left... Shuler, Frerotte, Matthews, Banks, Wuerfuel, etc etc... Gibbs will be back next season for his final attempt at bringing the Redskins back to glory.

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GW will be our next coach for sure. as we are already set on defense. and let the offense run by AL saunders. continuity is a must for this team.
Gibbs will be active in scouting as team president. thats the best senario for us,

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bring our injured OL back and we can do what we want to do on the field

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I think this is a non-issue anyway. Gibbs will be back for year 5 of his contract.

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[quote=70Chip;376615]I don't see how anyone who's been paying attention to the NFL for the last 20 years could get excited by the prospect of Bill Cowher.[/quote]


are you joking?? The guy had to Steelers in playoffs every year, competative every year. He bring stability, success, a winning formula, superbowl in the modern era of the NFL. I dont see how anyone who has watched football over the last 20 years wouldn't have some sort of excitement if he was a candidate to be your teams head coach.

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[quote=Oakland Red;376627]Of all the stupid, shallow ideas, this one takes the cake. This team was nearly destroyed by Dan Snyder, and the only reason we have hope for the future is Joe Gibbs' leadership. It takes time to get the mess Coach Gibbs was handed into the team everyone wants. The building blocks are in place, but we need to get to a point where Jason Campbell has some more experience and we can get free of the injury bug.

Snyder changed coaches all the time and the people who want Coach Gibbs to be fired are just as faulty as Snyder was before he brought Joe back.

If Coach Gibbs is not here as the CEO/Coach, we are in trouble. I give Snyder credit for bringing Coach Gibbs back - Snyder knew that he would be run out of town before long if he didn't do something dramatic and let go of the reins.

I hope that Coach Gibbs will stay beyond his current contract, get the team into top shape, and then stay on as General Manager.

I think that as soon as next year we could contend for the Super Bowl title, if we have a reasonable injury picture, and Campbell continues to develop.

PATIENCE is what is needed. Any decisions based on short sighted impatience are only going to lead to misery for Redskins fans.[/quote]


Lets bring you into todays NFL. Gibbs has been here 4 years. lets see 5-11, 10-6, 5-11 and now 5-4. same stupid stuff happens today, that happened 4 years ago. in 4 years there should be a change in terms of wins and losses, a gradual increase in production. With the payroll , the talent, the unlimited resourses of money this team should not be fighting year in and year out to finish .500. In todays NFL you have to win and win now. If you rebuild, then the 3rd year of that rebuilding you should be competing and going to the playoffs. We are stuck in neutral every damn year. Plus in todays NFL you have about a 4 year stretch with the current roster. This is why the draft and talent scouts are so important. so when you have to dump players (marcus washington, griffin, portis, moss) in the next year, we have talent that can step in and never miss a beat. we are far from that!!

lets go back a few years, Joe Gibbs did not build his teams in the 80's and 90's. He coached the talent drafted for him, and brought in by Casserly and Bethard. I do not want Joe to become the Talent evaluator for our organization.
Look, Joe has to go brother. we are in no better shape now than we were 4 years ago, hell 6 years ago for that fact. I dont want to hear about how we have this guy or that guy. fact is no matter who we have here right now, we are not winning. we didn't win with Norv, Marty (8-8), Spurrier and we aren't winning with Joe.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;377040]Good points from both of you. My sense is that if Dan Snyder had the power to dismiss assistant coaches, Williams would have been gone last year, and Saunders would have been shown the door at some point over the last few games. [B]Snyder's patience has no doubt worn thin for these two guys.[/B] I'd bet he's chomping at the bit to take the axe to someone.

But he won't dare touch Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Not trying to be a smartass, but how do you know "Snyder's patience has no doubt worn thin...?" Have there been public statements or interviews that would confirm this statement? Also, all the talk about Cowher possibly coming to D.C. has not addressed the very real possibility of him going somewhere else like Charlotte. They suck more than we do and they may be ready to pull the trigger for a new coach after this season. Didn't Cowher purchase property in N.C. somewhere anyway?

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IMO, yesterday is the classic example of why Danny wont keep GW on as head coach.

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I dont really care who our next coach is, just as long as they are aggressive. I mean look at some of the younger coaches and how aggressive they are compared to the older close to the chest coaches. Now I am not saying that we need a coach to come in and show his cards right off the bat but yesterday's game showed what can happen when your offense is aggressive. If we had an aggressive offense with our D that we used to have at the begining of the year our record could be alot better...

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[quote=Mattyk72;377132]I think this is a non-issue anyway. Gibbs will be back for year 5 of his contract.[/quote]Should he be?

And I'm not talking about whether or not the Redskins would be better with or without him. That's a dumb debate that can not ever be based in reason because you can't really attribute any specific performance directly to the coaches.

I'm simply saying should Gibbs have to put up with this much disgrace from his fan base every time he loses. Should he put himself through this mess all over again? .500 obviously isn't good enough to satisfy our fans, and if Gibbs can't satisfy the fans, why should he bless us with his leadership?

I'm starting to think that it might be in his [B]best personal interest[/B] to step down at the end of the year. He's not going to alter any attitudes in his 5th year that he was unable to alter in 4 years.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;377250]Should he be?

And I'm not talking about whether or not the Redskins would be better with or without him. That's a dumb debate that can not ever be based in reason because you can't really attribute any specific performance directly to the coaches.

I'm simply saying should Gibbs have to put up with this much disgrace from his fan base every time he loses. Should he put himself through this mess all over again? .500 obviously isn't good enough to satisfy our fans, and if Gibbs can't satisfy the fans, why should he bless us with his leadership?

I'm starting to think that it might be in his [B]best personal interest[/B] to step down at the end of the year. He's not going to alter any attitudes in his 5th year that he was unable to alter in 4 years.[/QUOTE]

Precisely why I said this: [url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/376979-post46.html[/url]

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[quote=Redskins8588;377248]I dont really care who our next coach is, just as long as they are aggressive. I mean [B]look at some of the younger coaches and how aggressive they are compared to the older close to the chest coaches[/B]. Now I am not saying that we need a coach to come in and show his cards right off the bat but yesterday's game showed what can happen when your offense is aggressive. If we had an aggressive offense with our D that we used to have at the begining of the year our record could be alot better...[/quote]I love how Jason Garrett calls a bold offensive game, getting all of his receivers and 2 running backs involved. I thought that's what we were getting with Saunders, yet I would argue that yesterday's offensive game plan was the first the resembled anything Saunders cooked up in Kansas City. I'd like to see a lot more of that moving forward.

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[quote=SmootSmack;377255]Precisely why I said this: [URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/376979-post46.html[/URL][/quote]Actually, I was just applying your MB argument from last year to Gibbs.

Since last year, they were sharing the blame that belongs on the defensive players, and this year Gibbs is just getting all of it.

I think it's high time to take a critical approach to Gregg Williams. One of the reasons he's be so successful in the past is that he does it differently than all other coordinators. He doesn't follow the trends.

But if he's incapable of producing a top 3/4 defense without elite defensive talent, then we simply can't move foward with him. Injuries are too much a part of the game to have a total collapse when they happen every year.

Some defensive dropoff is to be expected with Rogers out, Washington out, and Griffin banged up. But the scheme can't fall from No. 2 all the way to No. 30 just because one guy is out for the year and two others are dinged up. If our coordinator is to arrogant to adjust, we have to get someone else who can.

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[quote=GTripp0012;377265]But if he's incapable of producing a top 3/4 defense without elite defensive talent, then we simply can't move foward with him. Injuries are too much a part of the game to have a total collapse when they happen every year.

Some defensive dropoff is to be expected with Rogers out, Washington out, and Griffin banged up. But the scheme can't fall from No. 2 all the way to No. 30 just because one guy is out for the year and two others are dinged up. If our coordinator is to arrogant to adjust, we have to get someone else who can.[/quote]

Agreed. I actually gave Williams props earlier in the season, because he seemingly found away to take away the big plays from big play teams(excluding the Pats). But as the season has progressed, he is still very cut and dry with his defensive scheme. Don't blitz Brady at all, and let him pick you apart all day, then come back the next week and blitz Clemens 30 times when he's much better at escaping the blitz than Brady... There's no happy medium.

And the dropoff that occurs when the starters are out is ridiculous. When Taylor left the game yesterday, the defense was immediately gashed for two 40+ yard plays. WTF is that?