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[quote=GTripp0012;388707]Kickoffs out of bounds either are placed 30 yards from the kickoff spot, or at the spot it went out of bounds. A kickoff out of bounds can never be a touchback. In the Pats case, if the kick went out between the 1-5 yard line of the Ravens, it would have been placed at the 5. Had it gone out of bounds in front of the 5, it would have been placed at the spot it went out.

An onside kick might have resulted in an in-stride recovery touchdown for Baltimore. That was about the only thing they couldn't have done there.[/quote]

GTripp, what you are saying is my point, why blindly kick it out of the endzone when there are other options that are much better? I just continue to be amazed at what I see as strategic errors that a lot of teams make. I see these things as coaching responsibilities, but maybe a team needs a Guru to point these things in the heat of battle, you know a little devil on your shoulder reminding a coach of these things. I thought of it instantly last night, not after the fact, so surely there are guys that could digest these things fast enough to relay them to a coach before it is too late.

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Kickoff

1. In addition to a kickoff, the other free kick is a kick after a safety (safety kick). A punt may be used (a punt may not be used on a kickoff).
2. On a safety kick, the team scored upon puts ball in play by a punt, dropkick, or placekick without tee. No score can be made on a free kick following a safety, even if a series of penalties places team in position. (A field goal can be scored only on a play from scrimmage or a free kick after a fair catch.)
3. A kickoff may not score a field goal.
4. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.
5. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
6. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines and is touched last by receiving team, it is receiver’s ball at out-of-bounds spot.
7. If the kicking team either illegally kicks off out of bounds or is guilty of a short free kick on two or more consecutive onside kicks, receivers may take possession of the ball at the dead ball spot, out-of-bounds spot, or spot of illegal touch.

sounds like the ravens would have gotten the ball wherever it went out of bounds if new england chose that strategy...

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[quote=scowan;388733]GTripp, what you are saying is my point, why blindly kick it out of the endzone when there are other options that are much better? I just continue to be amazed at what I see as strategic errors that a lot of teams make. I see these things as coaching responsibilities, but maybe a team needs a Guru to point these things in the heat of battle, you know a little devil on your shoulder reminding a coach of these things. I thought of it instantly last night, not after the fact, so surely there are guys that could digest these things fast enough to relay them to a coach before it is too late.[/quote]I'm saying dont onside kick it.

I would not have kicked that out of the end zone. I would have kicked it out of bounds inside the 20. Belichick I'm sure was not 100% certain on the rule, so he opted to play it safe.

I think the worst thing that can be done there is to give Baltimore a chance to return it. Once you break through the first wall, you're gone.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;388750]
sounds like the ravens would have gotten the ball wherever it went out of bounds if new england chose that strategy...[/quote]

I guess the answer would have been to ask the ref before the kickoff "Where will the Raven's get the ball if our kicker kicks it out of bounds?"

If the answer was "wherever it goes out of bounds as long as it goes 10 yards" I would have told my kicker to kick it into the stands out of bounds anywhere inside the 20 and get it to go out as close to the 1 yard line as you can.

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I think if the Giants catch a windy one in the last game, they could beat New England. Bad weather sort of puts offense right back to the stone age.

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[quote=#56fanatic;388632]I dont see the point. Not all NFL franchises live and breathe the unfortunate passing of a TRUE REDSKIN. Because Tom Brady gets on the refs doesn't diminish the fact he is the best QB in the NFL right now and will probably go down as one of the best if not the best. Michael Jordon would always complain to the refs, does that make him a complete and utter d-bag? I think not. The guy has the fire and desire to win that I wish some of our guys would show. You are hating on the Pats because they whipped our boys so bad, it looked like a NFL team vs MIT. Why should they have to say anything about Sean, especially if no one asks them? that is just thinking the NFL should sucome to the same grief we all have felt in the last week, it is not going to happen.

I can't stand the pats at all, dispise them, but they are the best team in the NFL, [B]and maybe best ever[/B]. The refs had nothing to do with them winning that game, the Ravens players and coaches took care of that. You should read some articles in the Baltimore and DC papers, no one is blaming the refs. How about stepping up and making a play instead of penalties??[/quote]

They are not even close to the best team ever.

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[quote=Redskin;388787]They are not even close to the best team ever.[/quote]
Well they have the stats which say other wise and like them or not its just a fact that they very well could go down as one of the best. Just look at their stats and ours from 1992 Superbowl year when our O was putting up great numbers and they passed most of them a couple weeks ago.

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I was thinking last night while watching the game how stuck up the Patriots seem to be. There are many incidents and I could sit here for an hour at least telling you why they are all about a bunch of punks but I won't because we all know. I know I will continue to root against them the rest of the season and I would love to see pretty much anyone beat them.

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Let's face it, when they get to the playoffs anything can happen.

Just ask San Diego.

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No offense...but what is this thread about. The Pats don't have to mention anything about ST after the game. It doesn't offend me.

I don't think any one of us would be complaining about Tom Brady if he was a redskin. The guy is good.

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A few years ago when the Colts were in pursuit of perfection and they started out 13-0 (eventually losing to the Steelers in the playoffs), I never got the feel that going undefeated was their ultimate goal. You could still tell that Peyton and the others wanted to win a Superbowl no matter what way they did it. If that meant resting players who were injured or not using all of their energy in a game that they are already winning by 28 points then so be it. Similarly, when Peyton was breaking Marino's record there were LOADS of times when he would get down on the goal line in the 4th and sometimes 3rd quarter of a blowout game, run 3 times, and kick a FG. I know this for a fact cuz he was my fantasy QB that year and i was praying many times that he would throw it in while watching the live gametracker. U never got the sense that he was trying to break the record. He was just trying to win the game (and ultimately win a championship).

With Brady and the Pats, you can CLEARLY see that they are doing it for the stats and glory. Brady throws it 50 times a game in a blowout. They leave their starters in way past the point when the game is in reach. That rubs ppl the wrong way. Whether it is the players, other coaches, or fans, people don't like it b/c it cheapens the game that we love PERIOD It is also classless. I think thats the best way to put it (about Belicheat, Brady, and the Pats)...cheap and classless. I also don't see how it can be a "perfect" season when you are caught videotaping and BLATANTLY violating the rules of the game.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;388898]A few years ago when the Colts were in pursuit of perfection and they started out 13-0 (eventually losing to the Steelers in the playoffs), I never got the feel that going undefeated was their ultimate goal. You could still tell that Peyton and the others wanted to win a Superbowl no matter what way they did it. If that meant resting players who were injured or not using all of their energy in a game that they are already winning by 28 points then so be it. Similarly, when Peyton was breaking Marino's record there were LOADS of times when he would get down on the goal line in the 4th and sometimes 3rd quarter of a blowout game, run 3 times, and kick a FG. I know this for a fact cuz he was my fantasy QB that year and i was praying many times that he would throw it in while watching the live gametracker. U never got the sense that he was trying to break the record. He was just trying to win the game (and ultimately win a championship).

With Brady and the Pats, you can CLEARLY see that they are doing it for the stats and glory. Brady throws it 50 times a game in a blowout. They leave their starters in way past the point when the game is in reach. That rubs ppl the wrong way. Whether it is the players, other coaches, or fans, people don't like it b/c it cheapens the game that we love PERIOD It is also classless. I think thats the best way to put it (about Belicheat, Brady, and the Pats)...cheap and classless. I also don't see how it can be a "perfect" season when you are caught videotaping and BLATANTLY violating the rules of the game.[/quote]
So by your example if I'm a runner and I'm way out front on a record pace then I should slow down and conserve myself and not try to get the record? Your example of the Colts was great but they fell even though they did what is I guess was to save themself for the playoffs. Does it cheaping the game when a bunch of old guys get together and celebrate a team loosing so they can keep the record? What is wrong with wanting to set some records and maybe going down as one of the greatest teams to play the game. I don't think people here would have a problem if it was the skins.

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is it me or do people not notice how to stop brady?okay when they blitz and brought pressure brady was like the go to girl in high school....(always on his back)..then within the last five minutes they just stop blitzing?look if you asked mccallister and rolle could they handle moss and stallworth single coverage while we bring hell fire to brady? they'll say heck yeah..so pittsburgh i think will take them out

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Bottom line: 12-0. I'd like to be 12-0. I might even be a little arrogant if I was. Stop all the whining. And to bring up Sean Taylor out of the blue would have been weird. The Pats are just playing football. Getting away with what they can (like any other team) and going for stats and records. Big deal. They don't care if opposing fans, like us, appreciate them. THEIR fans love them and that's all that matters. Kinda like us Redskin fans. Everyone at the bar I go to hates us, cause we sing and are usually the largest and loudest group. We don't give a shit what they think. It's all the same crap. I just don't care that much about the Pats and the surrounding drama.

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[QUOTE=Redskin;388787]They are not even close to the best team ever.[/QUOTE]

I'm sick of people calling the Patriots, 89 niners, 85 Bears, etc. as the best teams ever. In my opinion the best team/teams ever where the Steelers of the 70's those teams kicked ass and pounded you to a pulp. Nothing compares to those teams and this is coming from one of the biggest Redskins fan!!

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[QUOTE=Tha Posse;388545]I totally agree, good post. I can't stand the pats at all. Also did you see Rodney Harrison get in coach Billicks face, isn't that a flag?? Taunting anyone!!!!!! I guess that only counts if your London Fletcher and between the hashes. Complete BS[/QUOTE]

I don't really give a $hit about Rodney Harrison. have repeatedly heard he's a dirty player, cocky, etc. But this is Billick. Does anyone epitomize arrogant and cocky more than Billick? He deserved the Taunt from Harrison, and Harrison deserved the kiss that Billick blew him!

F..k 'em both.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;388894]No offense...but what is this thread about. The Pats don't have to mention anything about ST after the game. It doesn't offend me.

I don't think any one of us would be complaining about Tom Brady if he was a redskin. The guy is good.[/QUOTE]

I gotta agree with you here. Unless I missed something and Brady was specifically asked about Taylor and chose not to answer, then I don't see what the big deal is.

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Great post.I absolutely hate the Patriots with a passion! I have hated them since 2001. They are arrogant assholes, just like their coach. The refs in last nights game obviously were patriot fans, the gave the game to new england.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;388898]A few years ago when the Colts were in pursuit of perfection and they started out 13-0 (eventually losing to the Steelers in the playoffs), I never got the feel that going undefeated was their ultimate goal. You could still tell that Peyton and the others wanted to win a Superbowl no matter what way they did it. If that meant resting players who were injured or not using all of their energy in a game that they are already winning by 28 points then so be it. Similarly, when Peyton was breaking Marino's record there were LOADS of times when he would get down on the goal line in the 4th and sometimes 3rd quarter of a blowout game, run 3 times, and kick a FG. I know this for a fact cuz he was my fantasy QB that year and i was praying many times that he would throw it in while watching the live gametracker. U never got the sense that he was trying to break the record. He was just trying to win the game (and ultimately win a championship).

With Brady and the Pats, you can CLEARLY see that they are doing it for the stats and glory. Brady throws it 50 times a game in a blowout. They leave their starters in way past the point when the game is in reach. That rubs ppl the wrong way. Whether it is the players, other coaches, or fans, people don't like it b/c it cheapens the game that we love PERIOD It is also classless. I think thats the best way to put it (about Belicheat, Brady, and the Pats)...cheap and classless. I also don't see how it can be a "perfect" season when you are caught videotaping and BLATANTLY violating the rules of the game.[/quote]

EXACTLY!!

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Amidst all your ranting, you have all seem to forgotten a number of things.
1. If anyone actually happened to watch the entire game, you will recall that one of the Pats DB’s was tackled during Boller’s hail mary pass at the end of the game, was offensive pass interference called? No. Had Baltimore scored on that play, none of your arguments would have any validity .
2. On the play towards the end of the game, when defensive holding was called on a pass intended for Ben Watson in the endzone, not only was he initially held (I don’t care how subtle it was, it still happened), but he was also clearly bumped in the back before the pass got there.
3. With respect to the refs making calls beneficial to the Pats that turned the game, this happens in the NFL all the time. Recall during the AFC championship game last year (Pats/Colts) when the ref called “face guarding” on Ellis Hobbs in the endzone, which led to a crucial Colts touchdown which turned the game? What about the year before in the Divisional round (Pats/Broncos), when there were multiple questionable defensive pass interference calls against the Pats. I can pinpoint a thousand more, but I am sure it would just bore you. Every team is the victim of bad calls, and the beneficiary of good calls. Its part of the NFL. Deal with it. You just have to make enough plays to overcome it.
4. Lets talk about class for a minute here. Have you heard about the commercial Peyton Manning turned down? Neither have I. The only commercial Brady accepted, he would refuse to do unless his entire O-line was in it as well.
5. I’m sure it was the refs fault, too, when Rex Ryan called a timeout before Brady was stopped on 4th and 1, right?
6. With regard to Brady complaining to the refs in-game, he is the epitome of a competitor, enough said.
7. How did the refs screw up the Pats 52-7 spanking of the Skins earlier in the season? I look forward to reading everyone’s excuses.
8. Everyone on this board would be proud to have Tom Brady as the quarterback of the Skins, and you would defend him in times like this. And you all know it.
9. The Patriots are 12-0. They are the best team in the league, arguably the best in history (especially with the parity of free agency), and everyone outside of New England is having a hard time accepting it. Instead of looking at yourself and your own team, you criticize another to reflect the blame. Instead of saying “What am I doing wrong?” the only thing you are able to do is criticize others. But the matter of fact is the Skins are 5-7 and are most likely going to miss the playoffs. Yet the only group receiving criticism is the best team in the league. Now ask yourself, does this make any sense whatsoever?


P.S.
As Saddened, angered, a depressed I felt after hearing about the tragic death of Sean Taylor (may he rest in peace) his name does not belong in this discussion.

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Are you serious? We are still talking about running up the score?! This is the National Football League, ladies and gentlemen. This is not high school football. They are professionals on the field. IT IS THE DEFENSE'S JOB TO STOP THE OFFENSE! If they can't do it, then let the points keep coming. It is not the offense's responsibility to stop themselves.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;388613]The gaffney catch was undoubtedly a catch. I think that was one where it looks slightly debatable when slowed down but if you watch it at full speed, there's really no question.

Regarding the safety making contact before the ball arrived: To me (and i haven't watched the replay this morning so maybe i am wrong) I thought the safety was making a play on the ball, in which case incidental contact is ok.

The other point is that the Pats got away with that physical db play for years, now they're undefeated and when a team plays them the way the pats play everyone else, it's called. I don't know, I didn't think that the ball was catchable anyway and I didn't think that needed to be called. My main point is even if it could have gone either way, I think it was pretty shady.[/QUOTE]

I didnt think it was a catch and I have backup,plus they answered my other question about the penalties,this from profootballtalk.com

The other complaint from Ravens fans is that on Brady's game-winning touchdown pass to Jabar Gaffney with 44 seconds left, Gaffney stepped out of bounds before he had possession. There, the Ravens appear to have a good case.

In 2005, Lions tight end Marcus Pollard caught a pass in the end zone that was ruled a touchdown on the field but overturned on replay because the referee ruled that Pollard had not controlled the ball. That call was later backed up by NFL head ref Mike Pereira, who told then-Lions coach Steve Mariucci that a receiver has to have control, not just have his hands on the ball. Gaffney had his hands on the ball but did not have control when he stepped out of bounds, meaning (to my eyes, anyway) that if the Pollard play was ruled correctly in 2005, the Gaffney play was ruled incorrectly last night.

Of course, thanks to Ravens linebacker Bart Scott going bonkos after Gaffney's touchdown and getting two personal foul penalties, the Patriots would have had first-and-goal at the 2-yard line if Gaffney's touchdown had been overturned. So the Patriots still would have had a very good chance of scoring the game-winning touchdown.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;389034]I didnt think it was a catch and I have backup,plus they answered my other question about the penalties,this from profootballtalk.com

The other complaint from Ravens fans is that on Brady's game-winning touchdown pass to Jabar Gaffney with 44 seconds left, Gaffney stepped out of bounds before he had possession. There, the Ravens appear to have a good case.

In 2005, Lions tight end Marcus Pollard caught a pass in the end zone that was ruled a touchdown on the field but overturned on replay because the referee ruled that Pollard had not controlled the ball. That call was later backed up by NFL head ref Mike Pereira, who told then-Lions coach Steve Mariucci that a receiver has to have control, not just have his hands on the ball. Gaffney had his hands on the ball but did not have control when he stepped out of bounds, meaning (to my eyes, anyway) that if the Pollard play was ruled correctly in 2005, the Gaffney play was ruled incorrectly last night.

Of course, thanks to Ravens linebacker Bart Scott going bonkos after Gaffney's touchdown and getting two personal foul penalties, the Patriots would have had first-and-goal at the 2-yard line if Gaffney's touchdown had been overturned. So the Patriots still would have had a very good chance of scoring the game-winning touchdown.[/QUOTE]


It was as plain as day that that was not a catch, no doubt what so ever, I find it sceptical that no one in the booth really jumped on it, and that it took a replay official about 2 seconds to rule it a catch, although I think they score as well because of the penalties that ensued. It seemed to me the NFL is making sure the Pats run the table, which is a shame because their more than capable of doing it without their help. Kind of reminiscent to the job done by the ref's on Seattle in the SB 2 seasons ago.

The fact that Gaffneys catch has not been more emphasized for the fact that a replay official had a perfect look at it and couldn't get it right, and everyone else brushing it aside, because lets face it that was a huge play given the circumstances involved, to me screams fix. Not that the Pats wouldn't or couldn't have done it any way, but they weren't about to take that chance.

Such a quick decision from the replay booth? I don't think they wanted to spend much time raising scepticism and more replays of the catch which would make it more difficult to sweep under the rug.

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I really think they should get rid of instant replay. I don't like having too much communication between the booth and the guys calling the game. People may say, "well, instant replay helps them get it right." To that, I say, so? The referee is always right. Whatever he rules is what occurred on the play. A lot less funny business would go on if the guys on the field would just use their judgment and there was no time to review plays, we just went with what they saw.

I'm sorry, instant replay totally changes the game of football and I think that's definately a negative. "Getting it right" is usually an excuse for being able to get it wrong initially. I don't want second guessing. I want one call, from the officials, and that becomes history. Too many times, instant replay totally changes a game. Getting it right or not, one team still gets screwed, as well as the fans.

I'm with John Madden on this one. Every play in football is about "was his knee down before the fumble?", "was his arm moving forward before it was hit?", "did he trap that one?" Who cares? If it looks like a fumble and smells like a fumble then it's a fumble. When the ground causes the fumble, the official knows right away and rules it down by contact, that never needs to be reviewed anyway. The location of a guy's knee has no bearing on the likeliness that he will cough up the ball. I hate cop outs.

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too much anger in the first post (i know i'm late to the party).

i think i agree with scowan that i would've gone for the onside, since there's no real downside and it'd run time off (keep three safeties deep in case there is a recovery and a run back, even though that never happens).

replay is here and it's not leaving, while hating it is a valid opinion, it's a definite minority and it's not going to change. IMO, replay is great and saves the league a lot of possibly embarrassing situations where ESPN replays terrible on field calls that were 100% wrong and cost teams games).

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[quote=HOGTIMUS PRIME;389038]It was as plain as day that that was not a catch, no doubt what so ever, I find it sceptical that no one in the booth really jumped on it, and that it took a replay official about 2 seconds to rule it a catch, although I think they score as well because of the penalties that ensued. It seemed to me the NFL is making sure the Pats run the table, which is a shame because their more than capable of doing it without their help. Kind of reminiscent to the job done by the ref's on Seattle in the SB 2 seasons ago.

The fact that Gaffneys catch has not been more emphasized for the fact that a replay official had a perfect look at it and couldn't get it right, and everyone else brushing it aside, because lets face it that was a huge play given the circumstances involved, to me screams fix. Not that the Pats wouldn't or couldn't have done it any way, but they weren't about to take that chance.

Such a quick decision from the replay booth? I don't think they wanted to spend much time raising scepticism and more replays of the catch which would make it more difficult to sweep under the rug.[/quote]
Ok, I keep hearing that the NFL wants the Pats to win the SB. The Pats are not looked at by the public as a so called American team. They are far from that and very hard to market as they have a coach unliked in football and the team has that cheaters image on them. So can you give me any go reasons why the NFL would want (and by saying this stacking the cards against the other teams) the Pats to win the SB. Also to think this the NFL has to meet with the refs who do each of the Pats games to let them in on this little scam that you bring up.

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[quote=Bully Worm;388541]Its been an emotional week for everyone in the NFL as we mourn the death of Sean Taylor, I can't imagine what his family and friends must be going through. I know during this tragic time I shouldn't be hating so bad on somebody, but I feel it necessary to do so because this person is just an inconsiderate, self-centered, smug, snobby, degenerate... I could probably go on and on. I'm talking about Tom Brady.

Yes, he is a tremendous quarterback with all the tools to be considered one of the best. But in my mind and I think in many other people's minds, it takes more than just talent to be considered one of the best. Michael Vick has amazing talent as a quarterback as well, but in turn he is a foolish scumbag who brutally funds, gambles, and probably participated in the cruel fighting and execution of innocent dogs. Many agree that guys like Joe Montana, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, etc., the list could go on and on, all have a lot of class along with being Hall Of Fame quarterbacks.

Tom Brady, on the other hand, to me has no class at all. He consistenly cries to the referees about possible phantom holds, push-offs, and all kinds of fouls. This so ironic because the Patriots got so many calls in tonight's game against the Ravens that it wasn't funny. Now the personal fouls after the winning touchdown were very unnessecary, but the other holding penalties could of been called at any time. The Patriots had 4 penalties for 30 yards, one false start that saved their game. The Ravens had 13 for 100 yards. Patriots played some near-perfect ball didn't they? It seems the refs gave the game to the pats. And then Belichek and brady have the nerve to say we fought our hearts out and our guys never gave up. Thats good to say if you weren't handed the game. And they also run the score up on people, remember the Redskins game not too long ago. I don't think any other coach in the nfl would ever of done that, they have some class. He might as well spit in Joe Gibbs face that night.

But you know what really makes me angry. I watched the Belichek and
Brady press conference's after the game and I swear I don't remember either of those pretentious fools saying anything about the trajedy that was the Sean Taylor murder. How freaking classless and selfish is that? It probably tops the board. You'd think the two highest regarded people at their position would try to build their image by at least making one little comment, but all they can talk about is how their team fought back. I remember tons of people who barely even knew Sean Taylor expressing their emotion and mourning his loss. But not perfect Belichek and Brady. It sickens me. I cant stand it.

I will tell everyone on this message board that I will be the biggest Jets, Bills, Dolphins, and Steelers fan when they play the patriots. I'll root for anyone who plays them, probably not the cowboys, as long as new england doesn't make the superbowl. I hope journalists who have more of an impact then me actually write something, be bold, do it on national tv. Look what imus did and he's back. I hope everybody roots against the selfish, classless, and cheating team as much as me. Oh yeah I forgot to mention the spygate deal. O well I'm tired of writing. I just felt I had to write this book (man it really is a book) to show my feelings.

Go Redskins, i'll root for you forever, Joe Gibbs you are still the man. RIP Sean Taylor. You in all of our hearts. My prayers go out to you family and friends.[/quote]

I'm sure if they were asked about it, they would have made some nice comments like everyone else did.

You just hate them cause they win. This is getting so old.

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We now have three threads on the Pats and if you look only one other team shows up and thats the Bears who we play this week. If they were 7/5 or 8/4 and acting like they do no one would give it a minutes thought. I wish our team had something to be cocky about.

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[quote=Cowell;388885]I was thinking last night while watching the game how stuck up the Patriots seem to be. There are many incidents and I could sit here for an hour at least telling you why they are all about a bunch of punks but I won't because we all know. I know I will continue to root against them the rest of the season and I would love to see pretty much anyone beat them.[/quote]

Personally, I agree. Can't stand the Pats. Maybe that's just because they win, but I think it's because they are so flip and arrogant (taking the example of their coach obviously). I also don't really like the fact that Brady seems to whine so much to the officials, he looks like a World Cup footballer sometimes.

What really solidified my contempt for him was his answer to a question about getting stopped on that QB sneak on fourth and inches. He said that he heard the whistle and stopped, otherwise he would have picked up the first down. The reporters laughed as if he were joking, but he was totally serious. Just say you dodged a bullet douche.

Having said all that, the Ravens lost that game. The fix wasn't in. The holding call was legit, the Gaffney catch was close (I didn't think it was really a catch, but close and hard to overturn, the Pats might have scored on one of the next three plays anyway), they called the timeout when they could have won (contrary to Brady's BS), etc. Ravens outplayed the Pats and still managed to lose. Sound familiar?

If you are a Pats fan trolling the boards, please don't respond to me. I really don't care what you think. Go find your own board if you don't like it. I'm sure there are plenty of bandwagon riding folks out there who have started boards where you can fawn over Brady, go away. Being a Pats fan automatically discredits you and I cannot respect you until you prove otherwise. The fact that you probably live in New England doesn't help either (no offense SmootSmack, I guess it's ok to live in NE if you HAVE to :)).

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;389116]Personally, I agree. Can't stand the Pats. Maybe that's just because they win, but I think it's because they are so flip and arrogant (taking the example of their coach obviously). I also don't really like the fact that Brady seems to whine so much to the officials, he looks like a World Cup footballer sometimes.

What really solidified my contempt for him was his answer to a question about getting stopped on that QB sneak on fourth and inches. He said that he heard the whistle and stopped, otherwise he would have picked up the first down. The reporters laughed as if he were joking, but he was totally serious. Just say you dodged a bullet douche.

Having said all that, the Ravens lost that game. The fix wasn't in. The holding call was legit, the Gaffney catch was close (I didn't think it was really a catch, but close and hard to overturn, the Pats might have scored on one of the next three plays anyway), they called the timeout when they could have won (contrary to Brady's BS), etc. Ravens outplayed the Pats and still managed to lose. Sound familiar?

If you are a Pats fan trolling the boards, please don't respond to me. I really don't care what you think. Go find your own board if you don't like it. I'm sure there are plenty of bandwagon riding folks out there who have started boards where you can fawn over Brady, go away. Being a Pats fan automatically discredits you and I cannot respect you until you prove otherwise. The fact that you probably live in New England doesn't help either (no offense SmootSmack, I guess it's ok to live in NE if you HAVE to :)).[/quote]
I heard Brady say how lucky they got for them calling the time out and thats how it goes sometime in the NFL. Not sure what your watching.

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[quote=firstdown;389138]I heard Brady say how lucky they got for them calling the time out and thats how it goes sometime in the NFL. Not sure what your watching.[/quote]


I really don't understand the hate on the Pats and, particularly, the hate for Tom Brady. Well, okay I can understand hating on the Pats, but I guess it doesn't bother me all that much. They're very good, and that's all there is to it. The league caught them and now they're giving the league the middle finger at every opportunity.

I think if Brady was so full of himself, you'd see him in as many commercials as Peyton Manning. Seems like people impose his celebrity status on him more than he takes advantage of it. I really think the dude cares less about talking to the media and such. During his interviews he doesn't come accross as being smug to me. Tony Romo, now he comes accross as being smug, but not Tom Brady. And truthfully, isn't Brady entitled to beat his chest a little every now and then? I mean here's a guy that was a sixth round draft choice, a lot of teams jumped over him and said this and that, and not until that past few seasons has he been in the discussion of being an elite QB like Manning. I think he's entitled to a little bravado as long as he keeps it professional, which he does, and keeps it real.

Personally, I've had it up to here with all this clean guy, good guy, "sportsmanship" BS the NFL is pushing. You tackle a guy too hard, it's unsportsmanlike conduct. You dip your helmet a little and accidentally hit the other guy's helmet, and now you're being a dirty player and can expect a ridiculous fine on Monday. It's absurd.

There's a part of me that wouldn't mind seeing the Pats lose in the first round of the playoffs just because and then there's a part that would just love to see Roger Goodall hand that damn Lombardi trophy to Belichick and Kraft in January.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;389094]Ok, I keep hearing that the NFL wants the Pats to win the SB. The Pats are not looked at by the public as a so called American team. They are far from that and very hard to market as they have a coach unliked in football and the team has that cheaters image on them. So can you give me any go reasons why the NFL would want (and by saying this stacking the cards against the other teams) the Pats to win the SB. Also to think this the NFL has to meet with the refs who do each of the Pats games to let them in on this little scam that you bring up.[/QUOTE]

Its front page news, which is advertising dollars, no different than when baseball turned a blind eye on Pete Roses gambling during his hit streak trying to catch Dimaggio, baseball pulled him aside and told him to back off the gambling which he didn't, but because he was filling stadiums, and had every one glued to the TV the let it slide, so much for the integrity of the game.

Do you really think they have to tell a ref what they want? It's far to easy to control with the old wink and a nod. Don't under estimate the greed factor when big money is involved. Just take a look at basketball, that is not an isolated incident. I wont even get into boxing. The hierarchy of the NFL is about money not the thrill of competition unless that will make them more money.

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[quote=firstdown;389138]I heard Brady say how lucky they got for them calling the time out and thats how it goes sometime in the NFL. Not sure what your watching.[/quote]

Not that it matters much, but for the record, I was watching the actual press conference.

[I](On the Patriots' second chances)[/I]
"That's football. I've been in a lot of games on the other side. [There were] a lot of questionable calls out there, and you just keep playing and make plays when you need them. We made a lot of plays under pressure, and that's what we need down the stretch."


[I](On the fourth-and-one timeout by Baltimore)[/I]
"I heard the whistle blow and I stopped. I would've made the first down if the whistle didn't blow."


[URL="http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=audionewsdetail&pid=29389&pcid=41"]Tom Brady Press Conference - 12/3/2007[/URL]

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[quote=HOGTIMUS PRIME;389249]Its front page news, which is advertising dollars, no different than when baseball turned a blind eye on Pete Roses gambling during his hit streak trying to catch Dimaggio, baseball pulled him aside and told him to back off the gambling which he didn't, but because he was filling stadiums, and had every one glued to the TV the let it slide, so much for the integrity of the game.

Do you really think they have to tell a ref what they want? It's far to easy to control with the old wink and a nod. Don't under estimate the greed factor when big money is involved. Just take a look at basketball, that is not an isolated incident. I wont even get into boxing. The hierarchy of the NFL is about money not the thrill of competition unless that will make them more money.[/quote]
Whats Boxing. LOL Yes I think they would have to inform the Ref's if they wanted a team to get the wink and the nod. People are tire of the Pats winning the SB so to say the NFL wants them in would make no sense at all because it will turn more people off then two new teams playing. I joked about boxing but that is why boxing has fallen so far because it was so easy to rig. One person go to the other boxer and say here is $ take a dive in round 3 or 4. If your really believed the NFL was trying to fix the SB then why would you even watch football. The SB is known for boring games but still it rakes in the money so I don't think that it really matters who is playing and goes to show that they don't fix the games.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;389105]I'm sure if they were asked about it, they would have made some nice comments like everyone else did.

You just hate them cause they win. This is getting so old.[/QUOTE]

AMEN BROTHER!
I agree. For a team that already has won three SB's and are seemingly on the way to win a fourth, they do not seem anymore very arrogant, smug or what ever the haters are saying as any of the other teams. Even Randy Moss has been quiet.
The past Cowboy SB teams were much more arrogant than these Patriots.

I remember seeing an NFL Films special on the Super Bowl between the Patriots and the Carolina Panthers. During the warm ups on the field a few of the big defensive lineman on the Panthers were talking trash and trying to get the Patriots to start a fight. All of the Pats players stayed quiet and kept saying to each other,' We will give it them up during the game.' and they did.
I like the way they handled themselves.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;389116]Personally, I agree. Can't stand the Pats. Maybe that's just because they win, but I think it's because they are so flip and arrogant (taking the example of their coach obviously).[/quote]

Belichick isn't arrogant, he's just a cold hearted man of few words. Look up the meaning of arrogance in the dictionary.

[quote]I also don't really like the fact that Brady seems to whine so much to the officials, he looks like a World Cup footballer sometimes.[/quote]

It's no crime to express your thoughts to the refs as long as you don't throw temper tantrums and toss penalty flags into the stands.

[quote]What really solidified my contempt for him was his answer to a question about getting stopped on that QB sneak on fourth and inches. He said that he heard the whistle and stopped, otherwise he would have picked up the first down. The reporters laughed as if he were joking, but he was totally serious. Just say you dodged a bullet douche.[/quote]

OMG! you can't take a joke? He wasn't serious. He never smiles when he's serious. As to who's the douche... it wouldn't hurt to at least have a sense of humor.

[quote]Being a Pats fan automatically discredits you and I cannot respect you until you prove otherwise. The fact that you probably live in New England doesn't help either (no offense SmootSmack, I guess it's ok to live in NE if you HAVE to :)).[/QUOTE]

Total racism here. What do Pats fans have to prove to you? explain. Just because you hate a sports team, you automatically dislike the good people of the New England area. Doesn't speak good of yourself.

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[QUOTE=Beat to a Pulp;389432]


Total racism here. What do Pats fans have to prove to you? explain. Just because you hate a sports team, you automatically dislike the good people of the New England area. Doesn't speak good of yourself.[/QUOTE]

The last time I checked the people of New England were not a race.Just people who live in the same area.If you are going to attack someone next time make sure what you are saying makes sense.The racism comment is about the stupidest thing I have seen on this board.

If you cant come up with anything better than that , just go away.

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baltimore killed themselves with penalties, they were tackling wrs mid route (and got away with plenty of non-calls themselves). No use whining, and no need for so much anger.

there were some close calls, but the refs didn't really screw up, and the ravens worked hard on killing themselves with penalties and undisciplined behavior.

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[quote=love them hogs;389450][B]The last time I checked the people of New England were not a race[/B].Just people who live in the same area.If you are going to attack someone next time make sure what you are saying makes sense.The racism comment is about the stupidest thing I have seen on this board.

If you cant come up with anything better than that , just go away.[/quote]

LOL

Hilarious.

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[QUOTE=love them hogs;389450]The last time I checked the people of New England were not a race.Just people who live in the same area.If you are going to attack someone next time make sure what you are saying makes sense.The racism comment is about the stupidest thing I have seen on this board.

If you cant come up with anything better than that , just go away.[/QUOTE]

Whatever dude. It's still a hate comment aimed towards New Englanders. It doesn't do him any good either.

Now explain to me what do Pats fans have to prove to this guy? It seems SC Skins fan has more to prove about his being a true sports enthusiast.