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This sounds alot like norv when he was here.

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[QUOTE=jamf;392194]In My Opinion:
It's a pathetic move on Petrinos part.

He isn't some desk jockey at H&R Block that can be replaced by any CPA.
He isn't an assistant coach getting a shot at being a head coach.

This man was in charge of rebuilding the franchise. He brought in his coaching staff, His players and his system. He signed a LONG TERM Contract for a little under 5 Million per year.

Granted MV set the franchise back 4 years, but you don't quit because you lose a player. What if Greg WIlliams quit because sean taylor isn't coming back?

It's a chicken shit move.
There are some players on the team already fighting for a roster spot next year. His players are essentially wasting their time the next 3 games because there will be a new system next year.

It would be a bullshit move if he was fired and it's a bullshit move to quit before the season ends.

I guess in the end he couldn't deal with the men on his team so he is going back to coaching teenage boys on scholarship...[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Pretty much sums up my feelings on this. What a douche.

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You know what this says? Maybe DeAngelo Hall isn't as crazy as we thought he was. He was saying the whole time that basically Petrino was not a NFL coach. Turns out he was right all along...

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Perhaps Petrino was caught up in the glitz and glamour of the NFL when he took the job this past offseason. He was hired in January, Schaub was traded in March, Vick's operation was raided in April, and the team just lost it's 2 quarterbacks, and probably one of the reasons Petrino came to Atlanta in the first place.

1-6 going into the bye week and the players pretty much shut down for the year. The team's been in the headlines all year courtesy of Vick and an owner who openly criticizes the team and his coaching, and it became too much for Petrino.

While I don't blame him for leaving and taking another job (Nick Saban really set a tone for this kind of thing), I really wouldn't expect to see Petrino back in the NFL any time soon, if ever again.

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I hope the NFL learns it's lesson from this. It seems like most of these guys just don't have the emotional wherewithal to be good coaches in the NFL. You have to stick it out through the lean years to get to some winning ones. Look at Cleveland?

The notion that Petrino was hanging his hat on Mike Vick is absurd. The Falcons signed him to a multi-million dollar contract and accepted the terms of the deal with the understanding that this won't be an easy task; not this year, not next year, and maybe not year three.

It just seems like no one wants to take their lumps anymore. Everyone is in a win now mode, and to an extent I can understand that. Truthfully, there really is a fine line between 11-5 and 6-10 in the NFL. Most teams are probably 7 or 10 points away from having really good records.

This mentallity just sucks.

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Losing reveals a lot about a person's character. Much more so than winning. If Terrel Owens won the Super Bowl every year, we wouldn't know what a huge douchebag he is. Now we know about Petrino.

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[quote=70Chip;392325]Losing reveals a lot about a person's character. Much more so than winning. If Terrel Owens won the Super Bowl every year, we wouldn't know what a huge douchebag he is. Now we know about Petrino.[/quote]

very good point.

that being said, all of this makes you appreciate a guy of joe gibbs' caliber more these days.

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This is tough to call in a way. If he feels he is really not cut out for the job & the nfl, maybe it's the honorable thing to walk away. Of course, he chose to walk away once he got another job.

He deserves some heat for it, but this Atl. team I believe is the worst in football, worse than the dolphins who seem to play hard & have been in a lot of games.

From reading about Vick over the years & his attitude in the locker room, I believe his situation polarized this team much more than is evident. YOu saw Crumpler & R. White w/their Vick support the other night. I think Vick had a handful of friends on the team, but otherwise a lot of them didn't respect him & thought he was too selfish.

ESPN said that there was a bet among some teamates whether Vick would play last year after he got slightly injured (don't remember the injury). The story made it clear that some teamates spoke anonymously that he was not a team guy.

His troubles probably exacerbated all of the falcons locker room tensions. D. Hall ran his mouth this year too. He's a problem, but the funny thing is that he is to be a free agent this year. They could let him & other jackasses walk. Maybe Blank wouldn't let Petrino do that?

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[quote=12thMan;392323]I hope the NFL learns it's lesson from this. It seems like most of these guys just don't have the emotional wherewithal to be good coaches in the NFL. You have to stick it out through the lean years to get to some winning ones. Look at Cleveland?

The notion that Petrino was hanging his hat on Mike Vick is absurd. The Falcons signed him to a multi-million dollar contract and accepted the terms of the deal with the understanding that this won't be an easy task; not this year, not next year, and maybe not year three.

It just seems like no one wants to take their lumps anymore. Everyone is in a win now mode, and to an extent I can understand that. Truthfully, there really is a fine line between 11-5 and 6-10 in the NFL. Most teams are probably 7 or 10 points away from having really good records.

This mentallity just sucks.[/quote]

I think there's just such a huge difference between coaching in college and coaching in the pros. The NFL is really a year round job now, and the time these guys put in each week is insane. They really have to dive head first into the job and everything else in their life is a distant 2nd on their list of priorities. And then there's the win now or else pressure the media and the fans demand.

I don't blame him at all for leaving.

But the way in which he did it really irks me. At least finish out the string. Don't quit with games on the schedule. I think it seriously calls into question his character.

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[quote=SmootSmack;392235]Not as short as...[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2000/0104/268868.html"]this tenure[/URL][/quote]

A bit off topic, but is there a way for the general public to look at those old archived ESPN pages? I could waste my entire work day looking at that old stuff. :doh:

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[quote=Southpaw;392329]A bit off topic, but is there a way for the general public to look at those old archived ESPN pages? I could waste my entire work day looking at that old stuff. :doh:[/quote]

I love that wood paneling look, reminds me of the Brady Bunch stationwagon.

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[quote=12thMan;392326]very good point.

that being said, all of this makes you appreciate a guy of joe gibbs' caliber more these days.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing, no matter what they say about Gibbs, don't call him a quitter! Even if he leaves after this year, he'd have put in 4 years of honest work.

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[quote=Mattyk72;392328]I think there's just such a huge difference between coaching in college and coaching in the pros. The NFL is really a year round job now, and the time these guys put in each week is insane. They really have to dive head first into the job and everything else in their life is a distant 2nd on their list of priorities. And then there's the win now or else pressure the media and the fans demand.

I don't blame him at all for leaving.

But the way in which he did it really irks me. At least finish out the string. Don't quit with games on the schedule. I think it seriously calls into question his character.[/quote]

True. I think you further expanded on what I was trying to say. It's not a nine to five like it used to be. But still, they know this from jump street. They know that the stakes are higher and so is the level of committment.

I just don't get how one minute a guy stands in front of a podium and say how he's "excited", inks a big deal, and six months later is waving good bye saying, this just 'aint for me.

Just to be fair, I think Petrino is probably a good man....and even a good coach. In the end I guess he just wasn't cut out for the NFL.

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[quote=freddyg12;392331]I was thinking the same thing, no matter what they say about Gibbs, don't call him a quitter! Even if he leaves after this year, he'd have put in 4 years of honest work.[/quote]

You can say a lot of things about Gibbs, but you will NEVER be able to say he's a quitter. I really, really admire that about him.

I'd bet the bank that he returns next year too.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;392328]I think there's just such a huge difference between coaching in college and coaching in the pros. The NFL is really a year round job now, and the time these guys put in each week is insane. They really have to dive head first into the job and everything else in their life is a distant 2nd on their list of priorities. And then there's the win now or else pressure the media and the fans demand.

I don't blame him at all for leaving.

But the way in which he did it really irks me. At least finish out the string. Don't quit with games on the schedule. I think it seriously calls into question his character.[/QUOTE]

I think more importantly is the fact that in college you are coaching kids and in the NFL you are coaching men. It takes a whole different management style and it seems a lot of these coaches lack exactly that. The ability to manage their team from a personell standpoint. Rarely do they looked overmatched football-wise but they almost always seem to have troubles getting guys to play for them.

Even the successful ones like Jimmy Johnson basically was coaching a college team for the first few years. That team was insanely young and he was able to slowly mature his coaching style as they aged. Those types of teams don't exist anymore. Who was the last successful college coach?

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No one knows what was going on with him, his family, and anything else which could have caused him to make this dicision. Its not like he is jumping ship for more money and he is actually taking a pay cut of about 2mil per year. That fact alone tells me that he was very unhappy in the NFL. He had the chance for the Ark. job but he had to move quickly to get the deal done. I think he had to make a tough personal choice which he really did not want to just walk as he did. Sometimes in life you have to make decisions that is in the best interest of your family and yourself.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;392339]No one knows what was going on with him, his family, and anything else which could have caused him to make this dicision. Its not like he is jumping ship for more money and he is actually taking a pay cut of about 2mil per year. That fact alone tells me that he was very unhappy in the NFL. He had the chance for the Ark. job but he had to move quickly to get the deal done. I think he had to make a tough personal choice which he really did not want to just walk as he did. Sometimes in life you have to make decisions that is in the best interest of your family and yourself.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but you still need to handle it with class. Not a single thing he did showerd any class. He could have held a news conference and explained why this was best for everyone involved. Explained why it wasn't working. He could have met with his coaches and helped them formulate a plan to go forward. Instead he just walked away. He took his ball and left. It's not the quitting that irks me. It is the complete lack of desire to do right by the organization and all the players and coaches that worked for him. What an ass.

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I guess contracts are no longer legally-binding documents.

These coaches should have to take SOME kind of financial hit to get out of these contracts. Petrino has now signed 3 contracts adding up to 20 years in the last year.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;392288]You know what this says? Maybe DeAngelo Hall isn't as crazy as we thought he was. He was saying the whole time that basically Petrino was not a NFL coach. Turns out he was right all along...[/QUOTE]

Hall really laid into Petrino yesterday, Brookings as well. If I'm the parent of a child being recruited by Arkansas first question I'd ask though is "How do we know you won't bail on the Razorbacks in a few months?"

He's entitled to do what he wants I suppose, but-and it's been reiterated across this thread-there's a right way to do things. Petrino lied to his owner, players, and fellow coaches; especially Blank who asked him just before the Saints game if the Arkansas rumor was true. And Petrino lied and said no.
Totally classless.

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[quote=SmootSmack;392357]Hall really laid into Petrino yesterday, Brookings as well. If I'm the parent of a child being recruited by Arkansas first question I'd ask though is "How do we know you won't bail on the Razorbacks in a few months?"

He's entitled to do what he wants I suppose, but-and it's been reiterated across this thread-there's a right way to do things. Petrino lied to his owner, players, and fellow coaches; especially Blank who asked him just before the Saints game if the Arkansas rumor was true. And Petrino lied and said no.
Totally classless.[/quote]
We really don't know the whole story of what has gone on over the time that he has been the head coach for Atlanta. Maybe he wanted to keep the other QB (forgot his name) and the owner went around him and traded him off getting things started on the wrong foot. I agree that it may not have been handled in the best way but the point I was making that other thing may have been involved.

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PFT says Adam Schefter is reporting that Emmitt Thomas will be the interim head coach.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmitt_Thomas]Emmitt Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[QUOTE=firstdown;392368]We really don't know the whole story of what has gone on over the time that he has been the head coach for Atlanta. Maybe he wanted to keep the other QB (forgot his name) and the owner went around him and traded him off getting things started on the wrong foot. I agree that it may not have been handled in the best way but the point I was making that other thing may have been involved.[/QUOTE]

You talking about Matt Schaub?

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[QUOTE=70Chip;392370]PFT says Adam Schefter is reporting that Emmitt Thomas will be the interim head coach.[/QUOTE]

Nice. I thought it might be former Redskins coaches Bill Musgrave or Hue Jackson, but instead it's our old DB coach from back in the day.

We are talking about the same Emmitt Thomas right?

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[quote=SmootSmack;392373]Nice. I thought it might be former Redskins coaches Bill Musgrave or Hue Jackson, but instead it's our old DB coach from back in the day.

We are talking about the same Emmitt Thomas right?[/quote]

The very same. D-Backs coach for Super Bowls 22 and 26. He's coached for a bunch of different teams. He's what you would call an old hand.

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[quote=FRPLG;392337]I think more importantly is the fact that in college you are coaching kids and in the NFL you are coaching men. It takes a whole different management style and it seems a lot of these coaches lack exactly that. The ability to manage their team from a personell standpoint. Rarely do they looked overmatched football-wise but they almost always seem to have troubles getting guys to play for them.

Even the successful ones like Jimmy Johnson basically was coaching a college team for the first few years. That team was insanely young and he was able to slowly mature his coaching style as they aged. Those types of teams don't exist anymore. Who was the last successful college coach?[/quote]

It would seem you're right, Spurrier found out quickly that his mgmt. style didn't work in the nfl.

In college, coaches have both the NCAA & the university to back them up. Players are students first (I know, but in theory they are) & players 2nd. This gives coaches a lot of disciplinary discretion if they choose to use it. Add to that, players lose eligibility when they transfer in Div. 1, so there is a dis incentive to leave.

In the NFL, the players have a union & free agency. There are penalties the league can enforce on players, but coaches really have the burden of enforcing basic rules & sticking to them, and even then the players union is a strong legal advocate for players that can challenge coaching decisions.

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Someone made the comment that college coaches are jerks and really dodgy...Spurrier, Saban, Les Miles, Petrino. Different sport but let's not forget Donovan. That was one of the biggest cop outs, I've ever heard of. Now look at the Orlando Magic, they are looking really good this year and I hope Donovan never gets back to the final four. He said he cried about the decision. FOR GOD'S SAKE, u are a grown ass man. Learn to evaluate a decision, make the right one, and stick with it. Chump

As for Petrino, his rap is that he can never stick around in a place for more than a few years so the Falcons had to have known about the risk. I thought it was funny that Arthur Blank was the guest on MNF in the booth this week and he made the comment that he was more confident over hiring Petrino now (2 days ago) than he was before the season started. The big picture is that the falcons are probably better off that Petrino resigned now rather than in the middle of hte offseason or even worse after the draft. At least they can start the rebuilding process and righting the ship as soon as possible. If u r a falcons fan, what do you have to look forward to though?

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[QUOTE]Who was the last successful college coach?[/QUOTE]

You already stated it, Jimmy Johnson. Unless you want to count Barry Switzer - although I would give a great deal of the credit to Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson for Switzer's NFL success. It is rare for college head coaches to find success in the NFL. As someone stated earlier, it's not really about football intelligence, but more about management style and people skills.

I have been trying to think of college coaches who had success in the NFL, and my list is painfully short and certainly open for debate. John MacKay coached very successfully at USC before taking over the expansion Buccaneers. After an 0-26 start, he had that team in the NFC championship game in their 4th season.
Other than Mackay, I can only think of failures - Lou Holtz, Butch Davis, Pete Carroll, John Robinson, Rich Brooks to name a few.

Petrino was in a bad situation from the start, the Falcons are a bad football team with a history of underperformance, so it was going to take a few years at least to get that thing pointed in the right direction.

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What becomes increasingly more clear to me by the day is that a head coach in the NFL needs to be a manager first and football guy second. This league is all about getting your guys to play and execute your scheme. So many moving parts and when one breaks down then all is lost. If a HC can get his guys to play for him together then whether or not he is a great Xs and Os guy is almost irrelevant.

You look at a guy Like Belichek. He obviously knows how to push his guys' buttons because they, for years now, have been the best team in the league yet they always play with a chip on their shoulder. Somehow he has these guys believeing that no one respects them and that motivates them to win. Even now they 13-0, clearly the best team in the league, and yet they still act at times like they think no one respects them. He is a great Xs and Os guy but more importantly he has those guys playing together for him.

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[quote=RiggoDrill;392405]You already stated it, Jimmy Johnson. Unless you want to count Barry Switzer - although I would give a great deal of the credit to Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson for Switzer's NFL success. It is rare for college head coaches to find success in the NFL. As someone stated earlier, it's not really about football intelligence, but more about management style and people skills.

I have been trying to think of college coaches who had success in the NFL, and my list is painfully short and certainly open for debate. John MacKay coached very successfully at USC before taking over the expansion Buccaneers. After an 0-26 start, he had that team in the NFC championship game in their 4th season.
Other than Mackay, I can only think of failures - Lou Holtz, Butch Davis, Pete Carroll, John Robinson, Rich Brooks to name a few.

Petrino was in a bad situation from the start, the Falcons are a bad football team with a history of underperformance, so it was going to take a few years at least to get that thing pointed in the right direction.[/quote]

Definitely Jimmy Johnson.

Switzer was a joke who totally road the coattails of JJ. That team basically coached itself that year. Aikman has pretty much said as much.

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[quote=FRPLG;392408]What becomes increasingly more clear to me by the day is that a head coach in the NFL needs to be a manager first and football guy second. This league is all about getting your guys to play and execute your scheme. So many moving parts and when one breaks down then all is lost. If a HC can get his guys to play for him together then whether or not he is a great Xs and Os guy is almost irrelevant.

You look at a guy Like Belichek. He obviously knows how to push his guys' buttons because they, for years now, have been the best team in the league yet they always play with a chip on their shoulder. Somehow he has these guys believeing that no one respects them and that motivates them to win. Even now they 13-0, clearly the best team in the league, and yet they still act at times like they think no one respects them. He is a great Xs and Os guy but more importantly he has those guys playing together for him.[/quote]

He's definitely a master motivator. He undoubtedly used the cheating scandal as ammo for this season.

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i really dont blame him. he signed for the team assuming theyd have vick, probably the main reason he signed with them.

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what a pathetic loser! It's one thing to quit at the end of the season but that is a cowardly,classless move! I hate quitters no more NFL for you!!!

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i guess ole artie blank has a really sore ass now aye?first the vick situation and now this!

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[QUOTE]Other than Mackay, I can only think of failures - Lou Holtz, Butch Davis, Pete Carroll, John Robinson, Rich Brooks to name a few[/QUOTE]

do'nt forget the ole ball coach himself steve spurrier!did'nt parcells come into the league from being a college coach?

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[QUOTE=redskinsfanatic;392559]do'nt forget the ole ball coach himself steve spurrier!did'nt parcells come into the league from being a college coach?[/QUOTE]

He was head coach at Air Force in 78 before becoming Def Coord for the Giants. I think Perkins was their HC then.

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I sware coaches seem to be really good at one things these days......feeding us bullshit. I use to love watching the SEC coaching shows before class a few years ago on FSN. I've never seen a show display so little enthusiasm not to mention minimal use of the english language.

"Yeah that was good play."
"Yeah hes playing hard right now hes having a good year."
"Coach your 0-6 how do you feel about that?" "Well its a position we don't want to be in but we've done some good things over the pass couple of weeks."

Personally I didn't have a problem with the way the coach portryated their teams. What I disliked was putting someone in a position to give an opinion when you know that they can't tell you anything of value. Alright now I have no idea why I brought that up but I still stick to my original point.

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who cares about them anyway.....besides who wouldnt quit you signed on thinking you'd have the most explosive player in football to lose him..then lose 10 out of 13..its not getting better anytime soon this or next year so opt out....flipside though it sucks for all these teams when coaches leave the team hanging..i.e. the nick saban rule

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[quote=Beemnseven;392164]Why is it pathetic? So what if he decides to leave? If you're stuck in a shit job, where is it written you have to stay for a certain length of time?

An owner of a team certainly has the right to fire a coach midseason. Why isn't the opposite true?[/quote]

This was a classless move. Howabout all of the coaches, players and their families that moved here to coach and play for him and the Falcons. What makes it even worse is 24 hours earlier he said he wasn't talking to the Razorbacks.

Classless, atleast Spurrier worked two full season as did Nick Szabon.

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[QUOTE=Big C;392424]i really dont blame him. he signed for the team assuming theyd have vick, probably the main reason he signed with them.[/QUOTE]

Granted Vick wasn't sentenced until Monday, but it's not like he hasn't known for months now he wouldn't have Vick. Bottom line, there's a right way to do things and Petrino didn't do it that way.

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[quote=djnemo65;392160]Les Miles is acting like a jerk too.[/quote]


im still undecided about miles... we'll see what happens. every day that michigan doesn't have a new head coach i think more and more miles may take that job, but i'll be impressed if he doesnt.