Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[QUOTE=12thMan;397603]I haven't seen two corners bring it like Smoot and Springs late this year. Over the past 3 or 4 games, they're playing as good as any tandem in the league.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. And Landry has been unbelievable in terms of the number of key plays he has made. Saved the MNF game against Philly early in the year, saved the 4th and 1 against Adrian Peterson and the Vikes when they were gaining momentum, just to name a few.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;397605]You're right, the numerous white people who voted for guys like Portis hate white people. :smashfrea Paranoid much?
.[/QUOTE]


Ever watch ESPN? How is it that Vince" the most overrated player in NFL history" Young is continually protected by the "white" reporters when any football fan knows the guy is complete trash? Ditto for Michael Vick and Mcnuttsack. Are white people racist against white people? Many are, partictularly those in the media, how else do you think things like affirmative action get passed? Because you area certain race does not mean you are not racist. Sorry. That makes zero sense.

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[QUOTE=ernham;397613]Ever watch ESPN? How is it that Vince" the most overrated player in NFL history" Young is continually protected by the "white" reporters when any football fan knows the guy is complete trash? Ditto for Michael Vick and Mcnuttsack. Are white people racist against white people? Many are, partictularly those in the media, how else do you think things like affirmative action get passed? Because you area certain race does not mean you are not racist. Sorry. That makes zero sense.[/QUOTE]

No, actually, you make zero cents. Maybe you're the racist??

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;397615]No, actually, you make zero cents.[/QUOTE]

"No" as an absolute should always be followed by a period, never by a comma. I guess they didn't teach you that in the cardboard box you called a school? With the comma, you completely nullify and/or disagree with everything you say afterwards.

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[QUOTE=ernham;397617]"No" as an absolute should always be followed by a period, never by a comma. I guess they didn't teach you that in the cardboard box you called a school? With the comma, you completely nullify and/or disagree with everything you say afterwards.[/QUOTE]

LOL, ok buddy. Sorry they didn't teach me that in my cardboard box school.

So here you go. No. Actually you make zero cents.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[quote=ernham;397617]"No" as an absolute should always be followed by a period, never by a comma. I guess they didn't teach you that in the cardboard box you called a school? With the comma, you completely nullify and/or disagree with everything you say afterwards.[/quote]

You know, I tried my best to ignore you but you're seriously annoying, you know that? Why in the f*ck would you insert racism into the conversation to begin with? In no way, shape or form could you possibly construe a racist tone to this thread. So my question is why would you go there? We know that racism exists in America and in sports for that matter. But what in the hell did it have to do with Collins being MVP?
Furthermore, how in the hell can you possibly know what most white journalists and white media on ESPN are thinking? Are you privy to their thoughts on the matter?

If you 'aint adding nothing, don't stir the damn pot for no reason!

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;397619]LOL, ok buddy. Sorry they didn't teach me that in my cardboard box school.

So here you go. No. Actually you make zero cents.[/QUOTE]

Now you missed a comma, the one after "actually". You'll get it sooner or later. And I'll assume that "cents" instead of "sense" was your simian attempts at being funny. You fail.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;397621]You know, I tried my best to ignore you but you're seriously annoying, you know that? Why in the f*ck would you insert racism into the conversation to begin with? In no way, shape or form could you possibly construe a racist tone to this thread. So my question is why would you go there? We know that racism exists in America and in sports for that matter. But what in the hell did it have to do with Collins being MVP?
Furthermore, how in the hell can you possibly know what most white journalists and white media on ESPN are thinking? Are you privy to their thoughts on the matter?

If you 'aint adding nothing, don't stir the damn pot for no reason![/QUOTE]

No doubt. I think he's the racist.

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[QUOTE=ernham;397623]Now you missed a comma, the one after "actually". You'll get it sooner or later. And I'll assume that "cents" instead of "sense" was your simian attempts at being funny. You fail.[/QUOTE]

You know what? That was my bad. I should've known better.

So, are you going to add anything to this conversation or are you here to just stir up some bullshit?

If you think Todd Collins should be the MVP, then just say it. I really don't see the reason why you need to bring up race.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;397621]You know, I tried my best to ignore you but you're seriously annoying, you know that? Why in the f*ck would you insert racism into the conversation to begin with? ![/QUOTE]

I didn't insert it. A bunch of racist people did, whom had somehow managed to pencil in an average to [B]below average [/B] running back ahead of top ranked QBs as the MVP. Know what MVP stands for, right? Ok. The QB is the most important player on a team. If your QB is playing great he is pretty much defacto your MVP because of the sheer importance of the QB position. Prtis ahead of Collins is so supremely retarded such an arguement could only be supplied by a racist who, even if Tom Brady was their QB, they would find a way to give the creds to some mediocre RB or corner.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

No clear choice here due to many injuries and players being in and out. If there was a constant on offense it would be Cooley, Portis, Kendall, Samuels and Rabach. On Defense, Fletcher, Springs and Landry. This is the kind of year where every single player including our 2nd and 3rd stringers have contributed. I would vote for the team in general and the awesome job that the coaching staff has done to prepare the players.

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Who are these bunch of racist people??? What the hell are you smoking??

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[quote=ernham;397628]I didn't insert it. A bunch of racist people did, whom had somehow managed to pencil in an average to [B]below average [/B]running back ahead of top ranked QBs as the MVP. Know what MVP stands for, right? Ok. The QB is the most important player on a team. If your QB is playing great he is pretty much defacto your MVP because of the sheer importance of the QB position. Prtis ahead of Collins is so supremely retarded such an arguement could only be supplied by a racist who, even if Tom Brady was their QB, they would find a way to give the creds to some mediocre RB or corner.[/quote]

Man, whatever. It's really sad on my part that I'm even dignifying this insane discussion...well, it's not a discussion, is it?

We can argue all day long about Portis being average. It's not the first time someone mentioned and it won't be the last. And we can argue all day about Todd Collins being a top ranked QB. But for the sake of getting along, let's just keep it about football.

If Clinton Portis and Todd Collins aren't making this a race issue, then how about we follow suit? Deal?

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[QUOTE=ernham;397628]I didn't insert it. A bunch of racist people did, whom had somehow managed to pencil in an average to below average running back [B]ahead of top ranked QBs[/B] as the MVP. [/QUOTE]

So you're saying that Todd Collins is a top ranked QB? Really? How the hell did you come up with that one? He's played in 3 games....how the fuck is he considered a top ranked QB?

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

Todd Collins in not the MVP after 3 games!!!!!

For the year it has to be Portis..hes helped pass protect with a mixed up O-line..rushed for almost 1200 yards..and has played just as inspired football during the Collins era as TC himself...

Just to put Collins accomplishments into persepective...the rest of the team has just played better over the last few weeks..

Shawn Springs over the same span has 3 interceptions 14 tackles and has been all over the field..the team is just hot right now..

JC had 3 game spans that trumped what Collins ahs done stistically...Collins has been absolutely great but no where near MVP status.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[QUOTE=ernham;397613]Ever watch ESPN? How is it that Vince" the most overrated player in NFL history" Young is continually protected by the "white" reporters when any football fan knows the guy is complete trash? Ditto for Michael Vick and Mcnuttsack. Are white people racist against white people? Many are, partictularly those in the media, how else do you think things like affirmative action get passed? Because you area certain race does not mean you are not racist. Sorry. That makes zero sense.[/QUOTE]

You are right, the "Man" is oppressing whites. White people just can't catch a break, huh? The media is controlled by racist, self-loathing white people who are out to praise Michael Vick and vilify guys like Todd Collins.

The people who resort to the race card so quickly are usually those individuals who live pathetic, failed lives and who are in search of a scapegoat (e.g., the racist "Man") to blame for their own inadequacies. Paranoia usually goes hand-in-hand with losers.

Oh, and FYI, you're about to get booted from this site. We don't care for morons who enjoy stirring up trouble because they have nothing meaningful to add.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[quote=ernham;397628]I didn't insert it. A bunch of racist people did, whom had somehow managed to pencil in an average to [B]below average [/B]running back ahead of top ranked QBs as the MVP. [/quote]

I'm voting Portis the team MVP because he has a 158.3 passer rating on the season, which dwarfs Collins' 107 rating... Portis is clearly the better passer. :laughing2

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

im going to go out on a limb here. MVP is Samuels, with fletcher a close 2nd. portis hasnt been consistent enough to be the MVP, collins hasnt played enough...throughout the WHOLE season i think samuels and fletcher have been the most consistent, thus samuels 1 fletcher 2, both have made big differences for our team

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[QUOTE=Big C;397641]im going to go out on a limb here. MVP is Samuels, with fletcher a close 2nd. portis hasnt been consistent enough to be the MVP, collins hasnt played enough...throughout the WHOLE season i think samuels and fletcher have been the most consistent, thus samuels 1 fletcher 2, both have made big differences for our team[/QUOTE]

Agreed re: Portis and Collins. Samuels has played pretty well; remember how he hustled downfield against Chicago to throw multiple blocks for Portis as CP ripped off a 50 yard catch and run? However, I'm not sure that I would give him the MVP award. JC was blindsided too often.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

Well, if someone already said this I must have missed it. If this sounds corny or stupid, tough...My MVP for this team is without a doubt Sean Taylor. He was hands down the best player on the team before he was taken from us, and he is hands down the spirit that is driving this train now. I believe that each and every Redskin, coaches included, are playing and coaching their guts out with the effort and intensity Sean brought on a daily basis. I don't know how long they can keep it up, but it is fun to watch. Sean Taylor is the MVP.

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I like the Portis passer rating guy. I think portis should be all time qb and just run the ball every play and if he is going to get sacked just throw the ball.

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Where did all this racism BS come from?

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I would have to say that if Sean were alive he would be at the top of the list. Sean Taylor for MVP!!

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i don't really think anyone stands out enough to be an MVP... cooley's been the most consistent though.

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Hrm, this is tough for me. No one stands out. I'm not feeling Portis, he's disappeared in too many games to get my MVP. I'd like to say Cooley, but he's white and I hate the white devil, him and that pale ass Todd Collins.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

1. Clinton Portis
2. London Fletcher

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

Sean Taylor helped us get off to a hot start. No one else has really seperated from the pack, so he gets my vote.

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It has to be Collins. The only reason Portis and the WRs are now succeeding is because TC keeps things moving fast on O. Without him at the helm this team would never be in the playoff drivers seat.

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The MVP is our Defense without a question. And one man standing out on Defense day in and day out is Fletcher. He has been the rock in the core of our Monster D.

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[QUOTE=irish;397724]It has to be Collins. The only reason Portis and the WRs are now succeeding is because TC keeps things moving fast on O. Without him at the helm this team would never be in the playoff drivers seat.[/QUOTE]

Todd Collins certainly deserves a lot of credit and may deserve the MVP, but I'm not so sure 1 of 22 starters is the [U]sole[/U] reason why this team is in the playoff seat. Collins isn't the RB running harder lately. Collins isn't the O-lineman who suddenly decided to open running lanes. Collins isn't the guy getting open on routes (e.g., Cooley running free for a TD against Minny) and grabbing balls that could easily be intercepted by opposing DBs (e.g., Moss' TD catch against Minny). Collins didn't stuff AP for 27 yards or force turnovers.

And though Collins didn't make any big mistakes against the G-men, I don't think he singlehandedly won us that game either. If I recall, Collins completed the fewest passes for a team that won the game since WWII. That was Portis and the D who won that game.

I love what Collins has done and he should start the rest of the way, but to give all of the credit for a possible playoff appearance to a guy who has played in 3 games and played really well in just 2 is unfair. This TEAM has put itself in position to win. All phases of the game are in better shape than they were 4 weeks ago and THAT is why we are in position for a playoff appearance.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

I honor of Taylor, I would give him the MVP. His tragic death has been the team's rallying cry.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

Bubba Tyer for his work this year as head trainer/hamstring pull healer.

But if we're picking a player--I would say Chris Cooley. He's been a stud all year and our #1 offensive option due to our deficiencies at WR. Whether it is Campbell or Collins as QB; Cooley has served as their ultimate security blanket, especially on 3rd down and in the red zone.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;397785]Todd Collins certainly deserves a lot of credit and may deserve the MVP, but I'm not so sure 1 of 22 starters is the [U]sole[/U] reason why this team is in the playoff seat. Collins isn't the RB running harder lately. Collins isn't the O-lineman who suddenly decided to open running lanes. Collins isn't the guy getting open on routes (e.g., Cooley running free for a TD against Minny) and grabbing balls that could easily be intercepted by opposing DBs (e.g., Moss' TD catch against Minny). Collins didn't stuff AP for 27 yards or force turnovers.

And though Collins didn't make any big mistakes against the G-men, I don't think he singlehandedly won us that game either. If I recall, Collins completed the fewest passes for a team that won the game since WWII. That was Portis and the D who won that game.

I love what Collins has done and he should start the rest of the way, but to give all of the credit for a possible playoff appearance to a guy who has played in 3 games and played really well in just 2 is unfair. This TEAM has put itself in position to win. All phases of the game are in better shape than they were 4 weeks ago and THAT is why we are in position for a playoff appearance.[/QUOTE]

From where I come from MVPs are individual players and this thread asked about the MVP.

This team was going nowhere and then Collins comes in and gets an offense (that was otherwise pathetic) moving and moving well, wins all his starts which puts the Skins in the drivers seat for their playoff chances. On a team of players that have underachieved (for various reasons too numerous to list here) all season to finally have a player overachieve is great and thats why he gets my vote.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

Daniel Snyder for taking the entire club down to Florida to be at Sean's funeral.

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[QUOTE=irish;397831]From where I come from MVPs are individual players and this thread asked about the MVP.

This team was going nowhere and then Collins comes in and gets an offense (that was otherwise pathetic) moving and moving well, wins all his starts which puts the Skins in the drivers seat for their playoff chances. On a team of players that have underachieved (for various reasons too numerous to list here) all season to finally have a player overachieve is great and thats why he gets my vote.[/QUOTE]

I think his point was that it's hard to attribute all that success to Collins alone (your reason for him being MVP.)

I'm all for TC - he's been awesome and has proved himself an incredibly valuable member of the team as a stand-in QB and a mentor to Campbell.

Attributing the teams success to Collins and Collins alone is treading on Post Hoc territory. It's like arguing that when I walked outside, it started raining, therefore my walking outside CAUSED the rain.

Yeah, the timing is odd and makes you wonder, but you can hardly attribute causal power for the entire team turning around to Collins' play.

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Just another quick note, not that I'm hating on TC, but NFL.com doesn't even rank him among the QBs in the NFL because he apparently hasn't averaged 14 or more passes per game.

The guy's been awesome, but you're going to pick as an MVP a guy who plays the last quarter of the season and technically isn't not even ranked from a stats standpoint?

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[QUOTE=mheisig;397850]I think his point was that it's hard to attribute all that success to Collins alone (your reason for him being MVP.)

I'm all for TC - he's been awesome and has proved himself an incredibly valuable member of the team as a stand-in QB and a mentor to Campbell.

Attributing the teams success to Collins and Collins alone is treading on Post Hoc territory. It's like arguing that when I walked outside, it started raining, therefore my walking outside CAUSED the rain.

Yeah, the timing is odd and makes you wonder, but you can hardly attribute causal power for the entire team turning around to Collins' play.[/QUOTE]

Walking outside and rain have nothing to do with each other at any level. A new QB playing well and a team that was losing now starting to win can easily be connected.

I'm not saying TC's doing it all but he's been the catalyst.

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

Todd Wade. Ever since he's taken a seat on the bench our O-line has been rock solid opening up so many options for our offense

Re: Your MVP this year?
 

[QUOTE=irish;397859][B]Walking outside and rain have nothing to do with each other at any level.[/B] A new QB playing well and a team that was losing now starting to win can easily be connected.

I'm not saying TC's doing it all but he's been the catalyst.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's exactly the point I made...

Like someone else said, TC has nothing to do with Portis running his ass off or Moss and Cooley making great grabs and getting open or the defense shutting out the Vikings for half the game and keep the NFL's leading rusher to less than 30 yards.

You might attribute the O-line play to TC I suppose, given his timing within the system. Linking everything else to TC makes as much sense as saying walking outside caused it to rain.

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[quote=SmootSmack;397860]Todd Wade. Ever since he's taken a seat on the bench our O-line has been rock solid opening up so many options for our offense[/quote]

Wade was my second choice.