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[quote=CPAlltheWay012;402601]the SAME THING happened in 2005 when John Hall missed a field goal in the same kinda of situation...

SUCKS but w/e..[/quote]I said the exact same thing the moment he missed. While Suisham made some big kicks, I never fully trusted him. From 30 yards in, you MUST be automatic.

It's too bad it came to that kick anyway - Cooley dropped a very well thrown ball that should have given us 1st and goal at the 3.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;402723]Yep...good for them for siezing the moment.

We should have put them away, but we didn't. PERIOD!

Man, next year is going to be even more brutal...Guarantee it![/QUOTE]

Isn't that the story of our season? We had a chance to win almost every game we were in except the pats game. Had we been a team that seized the opportunities given to us, we'd have been 15-1. Oh well.
Seattle outplayed us, and again I tip my hat.

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why dont we draft a kicker late, robbie gould drafted to years ago was taking late, and hes been clutch for the bears in a windy city like chicago

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[quote=jsarno;402729]Isn't that the story of our season? We had a chance to win almost every game we were in except the pats game. Had we been a team that seized the opportunities given to us, we'd have been 15-1. Oh well.
Seattle outplayed us, and again I tip my hat.[/quote]That has been a huge recurring story for this team before blowing teams away during the 4 game run. How many times did the Skins fail to extend leads and eventually lose? I've been saying all year that we need a bigger WR for red zone passing packages. Perhaps Mix will be that guy someday.

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[QUOTE=WaldSkins;402735]why dont we draft a kicker late, robbie gould drafted to years ago was taking late, and hes been clutch for the bears in a windy city like chicago[/QUOTE]

It's just hard to find a solid college kicker. No matter how we look at it, we'll be taking a chance. Remember when Janikowski was supposed to be the best kicker EVER? He misses more than normal. Point is, good reliable kickers are not that easy to find.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;402740]That has been a huge recurring story for this team before blowing teams away during the 4 game run. How many times did the Skins fail to extend leads and eventually lose? I've been saying all year that we need a bigger WR for red zone passing packages. [b]Perhaps Mix will be that guy someday.[/b][/QUOTE]

I am hoping that too...every time I see him I keep saying he needs to be given a chance. I said it again after he picked up the ball and took it into the endzone today. I think we have a diamond in the rough right now.

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Yeah, picking a money-kicker is near impossible.

Back to the point, though - the missed FG may have been the final straw, but it's not even remotely correct to blame the final straw for everything that happened before it. Even ignoring the first 2.5 quarters, we could have done a [U]lot[/U] more with that drive, but we didn't. There is plenty of blame to go around. Of course, [URL="http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/21803-sally-jenkins-not-the-antichrist.html"]Gibbs will squash that talk[/URL].

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Refresh my memory guys, isnt this the drive that Big Mike Sellers didnt know where to line up, and forced Todd to call a time out and bitch him out for screwing up? If indeed this is the same drive, ah hell even if it isnt, Sellers screwing up was the momentum killer, 100%. I was saying it from that point on. They were on a roll, and it changed everything. The kicker and punter need competion this year for sure, but our o-line was beaten today for most of the game, I thought Moss quit also on the INT., but post game explanation makes sense and I believe he didnt ever see the ball or know it was even thrown. Anyhow, it was a hell of a ride, ready training camp NOW!

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[QUOTE=SkinEmAll;402753]Refresh my memory guys, isnt this the drive that Big Mike Sellers didnt know where to line up, and forced Todd to call a time out and bitch him out for screwing up? If indeed this is the same drive, ah hell even if it isnt, Sellers screwing up was the momentum killer, 100%. I was saying it from that point on. They were on a roll, and it changed everything. The kicker and punter need competion this year for sure, but our o-line was beaten today for most of the game, I thought Moss quit also on the INT., but post game explanation makes sense and I believe he didnt ever see the ball or know it was even thrown. Anyhow, it was a hell of a ride, ready training camp NOW![/QUOTE]

I don't think it was the same drive but that did suck.

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[QUOTE=SkinEmAll;402753]Refresh my memory guys, isnt this the drive that Big Mike Sellers didnt know where to line up, and forced Todd to call a time out and bitch him out for screwing up? If indeed this is the same drive, ah hell even if it isnt, Sellers screwing up was the momentum killer, 100%. I was saying it from that point on. They were on a roll, and it changed everything. The kicker and punter need competion this year for sure, but our o-line was beaten today for most of the game, I thought Moss quit also on the INT., but post game explanation makes sense and [b]I believe he didnt ever see the ball or know it was even thrown.[/b] Anyhow, it was a hell of a ride, ready training camp NOW![/QUOTE]

1- it's the playoffs, you never quit.
2- you're paid millions to do 1 thing, catch the damn ball.
3- the whistle never blew, therefore you never stop.
4- you didn't see the ball, so how do you know it WASN'T heading in your direction?
5- you never f-ing quit.

Pick your number and it applies...to me there is absolutely no excuse for quitting on that play. I blame Moss over Suisham. AT least suisham "tried".

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There is no question in my mind that Suisham's missed field goal was the turning point in this game.

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[QUOTE=RMSkins;402779]There is no question in my mind that Suisham's missed field goal was the turning point in this game.[/QUOTE]

Like I said, momentum wise, yes, it definitely deflated us, but we lost by 21 and that was only a missed FG.

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[quote=jsarno;402785]Like I said, momentum wise, yes, it definitely deflated us, but we lost by 21 and that was only a missed FG.[/quote]
I agree in a way, but I think if that kick was made the Seahawks would've never scored those final 21 points.

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[quote=RMSkins;402791]I agree in a way, but I think if that kick was made the Seahawks would've never scored those final 21 points.[/quote]

The final 14, definitely, IMO. However, there's no reason to think they wouldn't have scored a TD after the kickoff.

This really is pointless, though. There are so many reasons we lost, looking for a singular point of blame is kind of redikulos.

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[QUOTE=RMSkins;402791]I agree in a way, but I think if that kick was made the Seahawks would've never scored those final 21 points.[/QUOTE]

Maybe so...but I think we failed when we did not get it in the endzone in the first place. Either way you look at it, it was a positive thing for the Seattle D to stop us.

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[quote=SmootSmack;402610]Wii win?

Anyhow, horrible miss by Suisham but I still maintain we should have scored a TD on that drive anyway. [/quote]

Yeah, I feel like that would've been a pretty huge momentum swing... 3 tds in 3 minutes.

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I was glad when he missed that kick, I thought that was a real break from the Seahawks perspective. How kooky was that when the preceeding Redskins kickoff got held up in the wind like that?

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I was hoping for 6 not 3 from the 14 yard line especially after they blotched the kick off. But yes 3 would have beat a blank. Also, being we had just scored all of our points in 2 minutes and we had all the MO that could have very well been enough to put them in panic mode?

That was a big swing in MO, IMO. Coming out with notta from their 14 and they turn around and drive the field for a TD and the 2 point conversion, that was a HUGE shift!

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That drive should have end up with 7 points and not a missed FG. Our inability to protect TC and get a ground game better than a HS team's going cost us those points IMO.

I agree, I would like to do a Suisham impression right to his f-ing gut for missing that FG but, you cant just put it all on him.

We just need to bring in a little competition for his ass this Offseason to light a fire under him or find a better place kicker.

Oh yeah, and Mix needs to see the field at WR a little more. Maybe the coaches know something we don't about him and he just doesn't perform as well as others at that position but, maybe they've never given him a shot. I would liker to see what he can do. He's built almost identical to Calvin Jonhson from Detroit so, he couldn't be all that bad, right? The kids a special teams demon. Everytime he's in there you see him laying the wood on cats or doing what he did today but I digress....

Suisham missing that was unacceptable and it most certainly turned the momentum their way.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;402753][B]Refresh my memory guys, isnt this the drive that Big Mike Sellers didnt know where to line up[/B], and forced Todd to call a time out and bitch him out for screwing up? If indeed this is the same drive, ah hell even if it isnt, Sellers screwing up was the momentum killer, 100%. I was saying it from that point on. They were on a roll, and it changed everything. The kicker and punter need competion this year for sure, but our o-line was beaten today for most of the game, I thought Moss quit also on the INT., but post game explanation makes sense and I believe he didnt ever see the ball or know it was even thrown. Anyhow, it was a hell of a ride, ready training camp NOW![/quote]Yes, that was the same drive as the missed FG - Collins took the timeout before the 3rd and 8 play. However, the real momentum killer on that drive was Cooley droping the 1st down pass.

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The missed FG was a game changer i thought. No doubt. We had the momentum and gave it back.

Give it up to the seahawks thougth, they went down and scored a TD. We just didn't have enough last night.

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I hate to say "I told you so" with regard to Suisham. His inconsistency was the chief reason Dallas dumped him.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;402592]I'm sorry, but there was too much MOJO going on for the Skins to lose this game. How perfect is that for Landry to get two INTs playing Sean's position. I swear, I was sitting there thinking, HOLY SHIT, that's Sean wearing #30. Landry had a great game, and represented big time.

Bottom Line: If Suisham makes that field goal Wii win. You can't miss a 30 yard field goal there...You just can't do it. I thought Gibbs was going to bite his lip off after that. That was the beginning of the end. 17-13 would have been good, but 14-13 gave them the chance they needed to come back and make the Skins pay. Suisham isn't living remotely close to D.C. next year.[/QUOTE]

The fact that we now know we have that f#@%ing idiot possibly kicking field goals to win for us.......sits like a lump in my stomach:vomit:

This was the playoffs and you miss a short kick like that! Sad

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there was lots of blame to go around,but missing that kick probably doomed us,even Philip Daniels said so,so the defense must have had a letdown

We have the perfect opportunity, getting that turnover, deep in their territory," defensive end Phillip Daniels said. "Not to score on that turnover, that changed the momentum of the game."

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another qoute from Casey Rabach,
We felt like we were turning the corner," Redskins center Casey Rabach said. "Then we had that missed field goal and everything went awry."

2 qoutes from 2 different pklayers tells me it def affected them and the game,Suisham's name is dirt right now in the locker room,lol

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Probably with a few explesitives before before dirt.

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It is so lame blaming the kicker. Pro Bowl Kicker Nick Folk's season average is 83% (26/31) and Suisham's is 82% (29/35), Suisham is also 51/52 on PAT. Cut the dude some slack. There's plenty of blame to go around.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;402896]I hate to say "I told you so" with regard to Suisham. His inconsistency was the chief reason Dallas dumped him.[/quote]

Like when Folk shanked that short one at FedEx?

Look, I'm not going to place all the blame on Suisham and I feel like that's kinda what's happening here. He had a good season, better than I think most of us expected.

On the year he was 29 of 35 for 82.9%.

Your boy Folk was slightly more accurate with 26 of 31 for 83.9%.

Not much of a difference between the two kickers.

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[quote=SKINS73;402938]It is so lame blaming the kicker. Pro Bowl Kicker Nick Folk's season average is 83% (26/31) and Suisham's is 82% (29/35), Suisham is also 51/52 on PAT. Cut the dude some slack. There's plenty of blame to go around.[/quote]

Agreed, looks like we just posted the same thing.

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kicker is fine, offense just sucks and needs to be beefed up for 08. we need a LG and RT in the worst way, and i think jensen is going to be injury prone from here out. cant blame the kicker for a playoff team that cant punch it in from the 14 after having all the momentum our way.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;402941]Agreed, looks like we just posted the same thing.[/QUOTE]

With all the kicker issues we've had in the last couple of years I am glad we have Suisham. Don't be surprised if we see the Vanderjagt FA thread soon.

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please someone correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the sequence of plays goes as follows:
1- missed fg
2- 2nd int by landry
3- 3 & out by the skins o
4- go ahead td by the hawks

if thats right then the skins should have regained momentum on the interception but then lost it again because the offense went 3 and out

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;402946]please someone correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the sequence of plays goes as follows:
1- missed fg
2- 2nd int by landry
3- 3 & out by the skins o
4- go ahead td by the hawks

if thats right then the skins should have regained momentum on the interception but then lost it again because the offense went 3 and out[/QUOTE]

yup. and that 3 and out started with a Samuels false start

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[quote=SmootSmack;402953]yup. and that 3 and out started with a Samuels false start[/quote]

thats what i thought, and people make it sound as if the hawks marched right down the field and scored the go ahead td right after the missed fg. they seem to forget there was a redskins defensive int and a skins 3 & out in between.

ps. i didn't know the kicking team could not advance the ball if they recovered it. that rule sucks:(

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Cooley dropped a pass that would have been a first down on the one and we could have punched it in. We shouldn't even of had the chance to kick one it should have been first down at the one. We choke so much. How can Cooley make a one handed grab, but can't make a routine catch in a clutch situation. Makes no sense..

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I am a paraphrasing here...

"Mistakes in the playoffs become magnified due to the quality of you opponent..."

--Jimmy Johnson

Suisham and Folk may have similar numbers but Suisham does not inspire any confidence. Missing big kicks in the 4th quarter especially missing kicks <40 yards is unacceptable. Heck, Suisham said it himself.

The timing of that miss at that juncture was the seminal moment in this playoff game.

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[QUOTE=jrocx69;402942]kicker is fine, offense just sucks and needs to be beefed up for 08. we need a LG and RT in the worst way, and i think jensen is going to be injury prone from here out. cant blame the kicker for a playoff team that cant punch it in from the 14 after having all the momentum our way.[/QUOTE]

Missing a 30 yarder in the playoffs is still unacceptable

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Well while I agree that it was a big mistake we blew to many other thing to blame him for the loss.

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I fell out of my chair after that missed kick, we needed that one.

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I think that if we made the kick we still might have lost. But I don't blame him for the LOSS. But I do blame him for being a choke artist. High school kids, maybe even college kids can get away with missing a 30 yard field goal but man, 30 yards is basically a chip shot for a pro kicker. It's inexcusable to miss that.