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[QUOTE=railcon56;403065]Posts like this were the norm... Now because I am saying the same about Collins... I am just drunk... or knee jerked?? No way.... before the game I knew his mobility would be a liability ...and it was ...and always will be.... plus the int to Moss ...he had no business attempting to throw a pass that long with his arm strength...[/QUOTE]

Posts like that were the norm? Prove it

Furthermore, irish is presenting his opinion backed up by his own observations. Whether you agree with them or not (I don't) he is not vilifying JC

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[quote=railcon56;403065]Posts like this were the norm... Now because I am saying the same about Collins... I am just drunk... or knee jerked?? No way.... before the game I knew his mobility would be a liability ...and it was ...and always will be.... plus the int to Moss ...he had no business attempting to throw a pass that long with his arm strength...[/quote]

That wasn't TC's fault at all! Moss admitted he didn't even know where the ball was, which is why he stopped on the route. You could see when he stopped he turned around and looked up trying to find where the ball was. Granted Moss was covered by Trufant, but if Moss hadn't lost track of the ball, he would have had a 50/50 chance of catching it.

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[QUOTE=railcon56;403065]Posts like this were the norm... Now because I am saying the same about Collins... I am just drunk... or knee jerked?? No way.... before the game I knew his mobility would be a liability ...and it was ...and always will be.... plus the int to Moss ...[B]he had no business attempting to throw a pass that long with his arm strength[/B]...[/QUOTE]

Oh please, that's pure BS. With that logic, he should've never thrown those passes to Moss (that were completed) in those last four games we won. This is a perfect example of someone who doesn't understand football. First of all, Collins shouldn't have thrown that pass, because the defender didn't bite on Moss's double move...NOT because Collins didn't have the arm to get it to Moss. Instead, Collins threw the pass (to the spot where Moss would've been open at if the defender had bit on the move,) and Moss did nothing to prevent the defender from catching the ball.

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[quote=SmootSmack;403068]Posts like that were the norm? Prove it

Furthermore, irish is presenting his opinion backed up by his own observations. Whether you agree with them or not (I don't) he is not vilifying JC[/quote]
As I am stating my opinion...But because I disagree I am drunk, dumb, knee jerk....

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[QUOTE=railcon56;403074]As I am stating my opinion...But because I disagree I am drunk, dumb, knee jerk....[/QUOTE]

You didn't just state your opinion. You decided to drag everyone down along the way making assumptions about everyone's opinion of Campbell.

Plus you have no concept of how to use apostrophes

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[quote=SmootSmack;403078]You didn't just state your opinion. You decided to drag everyone down along the way making assumptions about everyone's opinion of Campbell.

Plus you have no concept of how to use apostrophes[/quote]
Ahh personal attacks now... What a great Mod...well I have contributed financially to this site ..before... I am not a writer..but I AM brave enough to state my opinion... LOl but you will just end up banning me ..or personally insulting me... btw...congrats on your perfect english skills..:):)

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[quote=railcon56;403082]Ahh personal attacks now... What a great Mod...well I have contributed financially to this site ..before... I am not a writer..but I AM brave enough to state my opinion... LOl but you will just end up banning me ..or personally insulting me... btw...congrats on your perfect english skills..:):)[/quote]

He didn't insult you. He just made an observation. Insulting woulda been like, "You're such an idiot for not using apostrophes". Smooty is a good guy. And nobody has banned you for your opinion. We just strongly disagree. Just like you're allowed your opinion, we are allowed to dissent.

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[quote=railcon56;402902]Todd proved there was a reason why he is a career backup.... He has terribly weak arm .... and is the slowest "Turtle Like QB " I have ever seen.... I even saw him throw a few temper tantrums Sunday.... He threw bad passes.... And his lack of mobility made him an easy Target.....Funny how 3 good Games was enough to have many people on this board turn on Campbell... But The Seahawks played Collin's like you should play a slow weak armed QB.... NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK... That was obvious Sunday.... Oh and he waited till the most important game of the year To have turnovers....[/quote]Way to go dig up your crappy Brunell arguments...and then apply them to Todd Collins.

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Future OC/QB coach?

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Amazing.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;403087]He didn't insult you. He just made an observation. Insulting woulda been like, "You're such an idiot for not using apostrophes". Smooty is a good guy. And nobody has banned you for your opinion. We just strongly disagree. Just like you're allowed your opinion, we are allowed to dissent.[/quote]

Smooch smooch pucker pucker.

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[quote=GTripp0012;403091]Way to go dig up your crappy Brunell arguments...and then apply them to Todd Collins.[/quote]
I wanted Brunell to play Sunday...I though he would have been better.... considering his off season surgery...But it was basically the same situation...

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[quote=railcon56;403082]Ahh personal attacks now... What a great Mod...well I have contributed financially to this site ..before... I am not a writer..but I AM brave enough to state my opinion... LOl but you will just end up banning me ..or personally insulting me... btw...congrats on your perfect english skills..:):)[/quote]

Wait, wait, criticizing someone's poor grammar is a personal attack??

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[quote=GTripp0012;403091]Way to go dig up your crappy Brunell arguments...and then apply them to Todd Collins.[/quote]
But it was differnt... Todd should have been the starter (considering the injury)....Not the same argument.... I am arguing he is a backup...not the starter... people dont agree...oh well...

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[QUOTE=railcon56;403082]Ahh personal attacks now... What a great Mod...well I have contributed financially to this site ..before... I am not a writer..but I AM brave enough to state my opinion... LOl but you will just end up banning me ..or personally insulting me... btw...congrats on your perfect english skills..:):)[/QUOTE]

Personal attack?

There's nothing brave about making assumptions about the opinions of others

You could have just said "I think we saw the real Todd Collins yesterday and I believe that he is best suited as a back-up at best for this team" Instead, you threw stuff in like "He waited until the last game to throw interceptions" and "Everyone is vilifying Campbell."

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[quote=Ocliw;403094]Smooch smooch pucker pucker.[/quote]

I'll defend anyone who I feel hasn't done anything wrong. It's not called kissing ass. It's called being fair.

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todd collins= best backup qb in the NFL baby!!!

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[quote=DynamiteRave;403114]I'll defend anyone who I feel hasn't done anything wrong. It's not called kissing ass. It's called being fair.[/quote]

Well defend railcon56. He didn't do anything wrong and he's getting lots of grief.

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Todd Collins is a backup QB who played very well to get the Redskins to the playoffs but I honestly can't believe what I'm reading here. Nobody has mentioned the steller play by the defense in the last month. Clinton [B]who[/B]? My God I actually remember reading that somebody think you have no fullback. Does somebody here not want Sellers? I'll take Sellers. Todd Collins did not lose that playoff game. He was blitzed like crazy and the o-line couldn't handle it. Can anyone say dropped balls? Oh boy I'm gonna get flamed here but how do you defend the blitz? Try screens and draw plays. I saw that on [I]one[/I] drive. Hmmm can you say 85 yards and a touchdown? Don't want to do [I]that[/I] again! God help teams once Jason Campbell fully learns that offense. He is the Skins starter. This thread is dumb.

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[quote=Ocliw;403124]Well defend railcon56. He didn't do anything wrong and he's getting lots of grief.[/quote]

I don't think he's being attacked. Smooty pointed out he had bad grammar. I don't think he doesn't have a reason to feel the way he does because he's pointing out what he feels is the reason people are "vilifying" JC, I just don't agree with it. But if someone outright called him an asshole, I definitely would defend him.

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[quote=Ocliw;403124]Well defend railcon56. He didn't do anything wrong and he's getting lots of grief.[/quote]
Thank You

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I feel like if you're going to put your opinion out there be prepared to have people out there NOT agree with some things you say. I mean if you're gonna whine about how people are attacking you and are not defending you then keep your opinion to yourself. People are not going to agree with everything you say. If I said, "Whohoho the world is flat" and then gave reasons why I thought it was, 99% of people wouldn't agree with me. But I put it out there and it doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong, but I'd be a fool to think everyone would just blatantly agree.

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[I]Plus you have no concept of how to use apostrophes[/I].

Seems a bit much to me.

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[quote=railcon56;403082]Ahh personal attacks now... What a great Mod...[B]well I have contributed financially to this site ..before[/B]... I am not a writer..but I AM brave enough to state my opinion... LOl but you will just end up banning me ..or personally insulting me... btw...congrats on your perfect english skills..:):)[/quote]
What exactly does that mean? Contributing to the site renders your posts immune from being questioned? That your opinions deserve more respect? Not sure why you felt the need to mention that.

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[quote=Ocliw;403142][I]Plus you have no concept of how to use apostrophes[/I].

Seems a bit much to me.[/quote]

Maybe it was a bit insensitive. But come on, we're all adults here right? No point in getting worked up over something as trivial as apostrophes. Personally I don't care about whether or not someone can spell as long as their arguments aren't completely inane. But if it helps you sleep at night, SS shouldn't have made an attack on railcon's spelling. Lets all stick to the question at hand about TC.. or JC.. Wtf was the question again? :confused:

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It just hit me wrong. Time to move on. Like you said Wtf was the question?

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Honestly Railcon, if you had worded your OP a little bit differently you would probably have more of us agreeing with you. As it was worded, it sounded like a knee jerk reaction. The reason I say that is because it comes right after we lose a game in the playoffs. Like many of the "Gibbs must go" threads that were always started after almost every loss, it seemed like the same type of thread. Call it bad timing or just a poor way of conveying your feelings about Collins, it certainly isn't a thread that would be very popular amongst your Redskins brethren. Even still, when you say things like "many have turned on Campbell" then you just sound like sour grapes. The truth is, if you're going to accuse members here of turning on Campbell, then you'd better be ready to back that up. That isn't a statement of opinion. I can't say "Railcon killed my puppy, but that's just my opinion." That's an accusation and one I must back up with proof.

The truth is, the ones singing Campbell's praise (that includes me because I'm Campbell's bandwagon driver,) are still singing his praise. The only difference is we're smart enough to realize since Campbell was/is injured and Collins had the hot hand, it was a no brainer in keeping Collins in. This is IMHO, but I believe a good back up is a guy who can come in when the starter is injured or ineffective and win games for you. This is what Collins did for us. There is only a very few here who feel Collins should and will be starting next season. The large majority of us feel no matter the conclusion of this season, the starting QB job belongs to Jason Campbell.

Most of us will say Collins is quality back up. I probably disagree with the reason why he is a back up (weak arm, too slow in the pocket, etc...) atlas, he is a quality backup and I hope he's back on the team next season.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;403153]Honestly Railcon, if you had worded your OP a little bit differently you would probably have more of us agreeing with you. As it was worded, it sounded like a knee jerk reaction. The reason I say that is because it comes right after we lose a game in the playoffs. Like many of the "Gibbs must go" threads that were always started after almost every loss, it seemed like the same type of thread. Call it bad timing or just a poor way of conveying your feelings about Collins, it certainly isn't a thread that would be very popular amongst your Redskins brethren. Even still, when you say things like "many have turned on Campbell" then you just sound like sour grapes. The truth is, if you're going to accuse members here of turning on Campbell, then you'd better be ready to back that up. That isn't a statement of opinion. I can't say "Railcon killed my puppy, but that's just my opinion." That's an accusation and one I must back up with proof.

The truth is, the ones singing Campbell's praise (that includes me because I'm Campbell's bandwagon driver,) are still singing his praise. The only difference is we're smart enough to realize since Campbell was/is injured and Collins had the hot hand, it was a no brainer in keeping Collins in. This is IMHO, but I believe a good back up is a guy who can come in when the starter is injured or ineffective and win games for you. This is what Collins did for us. There is only a very few here who feel Collins should and will be starting next season. The large majority of us feel no matter the conclusion of this season, the starting QB job belongs to Jason Campbell.

Most of us will say Collins is quality back up. I probably disagree with the reason why he is a back up (weak arm, too slow in the pocket, etc...) atlas, he is a quality backup and I hope he's back on the team next season.[/QUOTE]

Well said. :goodjob:

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Are you kidding me? This lose in no way was Todd Collins Fault. I think you make training camp a open competition for quarterback, and see who stands up to take the spot.

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[quote=DieHardSkin;403170]Are you kidding me? This lose in no way was Todd Collins Fault. I think you make training camp a open competition for quarterback, and see who stands up to take the spot.[/quote]

Then we'll end up with Brunell as QB again. :doh:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;403172]Then we'll end up with Brunell as QB again. :doh:[/quote]

Bite your tongue!

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;403172]Then we'll end up with Brunell as QB again. :doh:[/QUOTE]

Oh dear. :spank:

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[quote=Finslady;403176]Oh dear. :spank:[/quote]

lol I never said I wanted it! I'm all about JC. :D

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[QUOTE=Ocliw;403142][I]Plus you have no concept of how to use apostrophes[/I].

Seems a bit much to me.[/QUOTE]

It was meant to be a joke, but I guess I should have put an accompanying emoticon to express it. However, [url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/announcement.php?f=2[/url] (we do stress proper punctuation, or as close to it as possible)...so to point that out is hardly a personal attack. We all make grammatical errors, except Lady Brave, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be grammatically correct.

I still haven't seen railcon explain

1. How irish's post is "the norm on this site"
2. How irish's post, if he indeed thinks is the norm, in any way "vilifies" Campbell
3. When Collins threw a temper tantrum. Why? Because he yelled at Sellers for fucking up a golden opportunity by not knowing where to line up and forcing a time-out.
4. Why there is NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK
5. What he meant by Collins "waited" to have turnovers. What does that even mean?

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[quote=railcon56;403060]But you didnt think this one was dumb?
[URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/21601-was-campbell-really-ready.html?highlight=campbell+ready[/URL][/quote]

No actually I thought it was a legit question to ask and it was brought up and discussed in an intelligent manner.

You're really oversensitive if you think that thread was "vilifying" JC.

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[quote=railcon56;403065]Posts like this were the norm... Now because I am saying the same about Collins... I am just drunk... or knee jerked?? No way.... before the game I knew his mobility would be a liability ...and it was ...and always will be.... plus the int to Moss ...he had no business attempting to throw a pass that long with his arm strength...[/quote]

Unless all you read is posts from irish that view was far from the norm around here.

I'd say the norm was most understood that Collins was the QB for right now and he was doing a great job, but JC is still the future and he would return to the starting role in 2008.

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he has already admitted on redskins.com that he wants to play and will look around the NFL for the oppurtunity to play.

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[QUOTE=jrtmolar;403298]he has already admitted on redskins.com that he wants to play and will look around the NFL for the oppurtunity to play.[/QUOTE]

I think he'll ultimately return, but I'd wish him well if he gets an opportunity somewhere else. I don't know where that would be though. One place might be Baltimore. Especially if-long shot as it is-the Ravens hire Schottenheimer and he brings in Cameron as his OC.

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campbells legs could have helped there, but his lack of experience might have equalized that.

either way, most people already knew (or should have) that campbell is our starter and has far greater upside than collins. collins should definitely be back, but he's a backup. it's hard for a 37 year old to make it through 16+ games anyways, besides the fact that he's got very few years left and has already showed his ceiling on how good he can possibly be. I mean, he did good, but chances are it's downhill from there.

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Vilify - To make vicious and defamatory statements about.

Jason Campbell is a big dumb ox who will never make it as a starter in the NFL, he probably needs a diagram to help him tie his laces in the morning.

:)