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[QUOTE=zyvo23;414003]I hate this. Now, I'll be even more disappointed when Fassel is named. I'll be thinking "we coulda had mooch..."[/QUOTE]

That's pretty much what I'm thinking... just like Snyder to screw up without even lifting a finger! JLC has a nice theory, but it makes TOO MUCH sense right now.

I'll believe it when I see it.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;414020]In case some of you want to e-mail Gary Radnich, here's his e-mail. Gary and Tony Bruno have a daily 1/2 hour segment so you might to contact him too eventhough he's an Eagles homer

[email]gary@knbr.com[/email]

[email]tbruno@sportingnews.com[/email][/QUOTE]


I just shot an e-mail off to him, I'm really interested in his potential reply. I will pass on any tid-bit I gather.

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Mooch is crazy...he he

Seriously though, I like it, it seems to all fit, but it seems too good to be true. Should we make another petition to DS, it seemed to work before. I like the idea of an offensive minded HC, and this would be a very sweet ending to a very sour process.

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I wouldnt be opposed too it. Basically when we came into the thing, it was Gregg Williams I wanted, and he's obviously moved on. I really don't have a preferance to be honest with you with the remaining feild. I will be content with just about everyone and see how it goes. I could see any one of the names we have right now succeeding, and anyone of them failing here. I really dont think I want anyone from New York or New England, because I'd like to think that whoever is our coach was involved at least somewhat in the process of who the O/D coordinators would be.

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This is interesting. A few hours before JLC's blog entry, Bram Weinstein mentions Mooch in his own blog

[url=http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/2008/01/january-27-this-takes-cake.html]Covering The Redskins: January 27-- This Takes the Cake![/url]

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I need another beer. This crap is getting ridiculous.

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At this point I'd be relieved to get Moooooch!
God help us all.

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I liked this out of JLCs article:
"One NFL GM, after studying the consecutive hires of Zorn and Blache said: "It all points to Mariucci. It's like you're starting a Washington branch of the West Coast family. Look at the coordinators. Then you've got Vinny who could put it together. That's viable. That's something I think you could sell."

Mooch would be a great hire I think, until now, I have been pretty shocked and upset with the move of letting Gregg Williams go...however, this also points to why Mooch could be the "mystery candidate":

"Two of Mariucci's former players also pointed out the similarities between the teams he had in San Fran and this Redskins team. Both have lots of veteran leadership and have a playoff pedigree, and, like Gibbs, he puts a lot of trust in his players. With the 49ers he ran a "Dirty Dozen" of 12 player representatives that met with him weekly and had a significant say in setting up routines, practices, chemistry issues, etc. Sounds an awful lot like Gibbs's Leadership Counsel right there (look at that Skins, I'm doing some homework for you. You can add this the whole "continuity" vibe should you unveil Mooch as coach someday)."

If this were something that Gibbs did, and maybe Gregg Williams was not high on, then maybe keeping Gregg would be messing up the continuity we have created, and Mooch would bring that all together.


My mind has been blow twice on sports, right now, and the Erik Bedard trade (as an O's fan, someone needs to get Angelos to sell, seriously) Also, I am preparing myself for season 4 of LOST, by finishing the previous season, I am on the last disc of the DVD series, and WOW...great writing.

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Some more support to JLC apparently:

[url=http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/bob_blog/2008/01/mariucci_to_the_redskins.html]What about Bob? Glauber's NFL Blog[/url]

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OH HELL NO PLEASE ANY ONE BUT HIM!!!



goddamn do u people know what its like for cowboy fans to come up to you and be like your team is shit and rub how good there's is in your face?? jesus...:(

Well I dunno how good is ol Steve???

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[quote=pg86;414047]OH HELL NO PLEASE ANY ONE BUT HIM!!!



goddamn do u people know what its like for cowboy fans to come up to you and be like your team is shit and rub how good there's is in your face?? jesus...:(

Well I dunno how good is ol Steve???[/quote]

like, when we make the playoffs and fizzle out and they quickly follow suit?

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This poll is much, much, more favorable than any poll for Fassel.

This message intended for those not having voted, and who suppose the Redskins have already picked Fassel, and for LDS to read as well.

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[quote=pg86;414047]OH HELL NO PLEASE ANY ONE BUT HIM!!!



goddamn do u people know what its like for cowboy fans to come up to you and be like your team is shit and rub how good there's is in your face?? jesus...:(

Well I dunno how good is ol Steve???[/quote]

Just ask them when the last time they won a playoff game was.

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No to Mooch.

Too much of a players coach flake type for me.

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My issue with people who have been out of football is you wonder if it's a stop-gap measure and if they plan to be here for the long term.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;414104]My issue with people who have been out of football is you wonder if it's a stop-gap measure and if they plan to be here for the long term.[/QUOTE]

Exactly stick with hair and make-up and laughing with Deion!!

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This is an interesting rumor.

If Danny can pull this off he can save some face, but I still hate him and how he dissed Sanders and Williams.

If true, it's like he'd be playing good cop, bad cop with Fassel.
Most fans dont want him....so all the attention and grief is poored on him, expectations for success plummet...afterwards Snyder can make a decent hire with a spash.
(some fans are even saying "anyone but Fassel")

The truth is anyone that follows Gibbs has really tough shoes to fill and since this job is no longer in house, Danny needs to pull off something in his usual "spectacular" way.
And its no suprise to me that the timing makes sense.
Danny needs national attention, and that doesn't get any higher than the Superbowl.

Prediction:
The Redskins will be the most talked about team other than the top 4 Championship teams....just how Danny likes it....remember, he made his millions in "marketting"

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[quote=QBall;414092]No to Mooch.

Too much of a players coach flake type for me.[/quote]

I don't know the guy and haven't followed his career extremely closely, but that is kind of the impression I got from discussions of his style on NFL Radio (Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan's show - the best one on that station) back when he coached the Lions. The points that they would continually make was that it was a get in, get done, out on the golf course by the afternoon type deal up there. It worked in San Francisco when you had guys like Steve Young, Jerry Rice, et al, but blew up in Detroit when you had Charles and Shaun Rogers (hence the disciplinarian-type [SIZE=-1]Rod Marinelli being hired). Seems kind of like Spurrier minus the stupid offense. Maybe that will work with this locker room, I don't know.

It would certainly be more fitting with Snyder's "splashy pick" style than Fassel, or Meeks, or most anyone else actually. I think a Mooch hire would therefore be in line with everything else we've seen out of Redskins Park lately (i.e. Snyder a la 2003) then any other pick. For that reason I'd be disappointed if that happens. I'd prefer Fassel to Mooch and I don't understand why the majority in this poll would favor Mooch. He did well (sort of, did he ever even advance to a Conference Championship) with very good teams in San Francisco then fell flat on his face in Detroit (as everyone does). Fassel has a much better resume IMO. Is it personality? Fassel's Giants connection? The fact that he was announced when Williams was still in the picture? I don't really get the preference for Mooch. JLC makes some compelling points though (as to why it makes sense given what has happened and how it would fit with Snyder's personality, not that it is a great idea). [/SIZE]

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;414108]This is an interesting rumor.

If Danny can pull this off he can save some face, but I still hate him and how he dissed Sanders and Williams.

If true, it's like he'd be playing good cop, bad cop with Fassel.
Most fans dont want him....so all the attention and grief is poored on him, expectations for success plummet...afterwards Snyder can make a decent hire with a spash.
(some fans are even saying "anyone but Fassel")

The truth is anyone that follows Gibbs has really tough shoes to fill and since this job is no longer in house, Danny needs to pull off something in his usual "spectacular" way.
And its no suprise to me that the timing makes sense.
Danny needs national attention, and that doesn't get any higher than the Superbowl.

Prediction:
The Redskins will be the most talked about team other than the top 4 Championship teams....just how Danny likes it....remember, he made his millions in "marketting"[/QUOTE]


Maybe Williams was not the guy. Ever thought of that? Get over it man he's gone and so is Al and that 700 page bullshit playbook.

I would have liked Willams myself but the Redskins must push forward with new ideas and the same "GIBBS" players for an exciting new year!!!

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this is the first alleged candiate, other than gregg, that i can fully support. if mooch is announced as the new HC, that will be a huge relief.

it is very hard for a coach to succeed on a team with a culture of losing (detroit). we slipped into that mindstate for several years, but gibbs rescued us from that. we now, as an team/organization, believe we can win. mooch is a very good coach who, i believe, can take us to the next plateau.


[B]snyder, get this done![/B]

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[quote=QBall;414107]Exactly stick with hair and make-up and laughing with Deion!![/quote]

Hey, that's not to say I wouldn't like the signing.

I just get nervous that Danny will start throwing money around and bring people out of retirement just to collect another paycheck.

Of course, this is all speculation and these ARE professionals, so one way or another, I expect them to do their best job possible.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;414110]I don't know the guy and haven't followed his career extremely closely, but that is kind of the impression I got from discussions of his style on NFL Radio (Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan's show - the best one on that station) back when he coached the Lions. The points that they would continually make was that it was a get in, get done, out on the golf course by the afternoon type deal up there. It worked in San Francisco when you had guys like Steve Young, Jerry Rice, et al, but blew up in Detroit when you had Charles and Shaun Rogers (hence the disciplinarian-type [SIZE=-1]Rod Marinelli being hired). Seems kind of like Spurrier minus the stupid offense. Maybe that will work with this locker room, I don't know.

It would certainly be more fitting with Snyder's "splashy pick" style than Fassel, or Meeks, or most anyone else actually. I think a Mooch hire would therefore be in line with everything else we've seen out of Redskins Park lately (i.e. Snyder a la 2003) then any other pick. For that reason I'd be disappointed if that happens. I'd prefer Fassel to Mooch and I don't understand why the majority in this poll would favor Mooch. He did well (sort of, did he ever even advance to a Conference Championship) with very good teams in San Francisco then fell flat on his face in Detroit (as everyone does). Fassel has a much better resume IMO. Is it personality? Fassel's Giants connection? The fact that he was announced when Williams was still in the picture? I don't really get the preference for Mooch. JLC makes some compelling points though (as to why it makes sense given what has happened and how it would fit with Snyder's personality, not that it is a great idea). [/SIZE][/quote]



I thought you made some good points here, and being that I wasn't crazy about Fassel, and am more comfortable with the thought of Mooch as our coach, I decided to dissect this thing:

Mooch:
SF '97 - 13-3 Lost in NFC championship
SF '98 - 12-4 Lost in Div Round to NFC Champs ATL
SF '99 - 5-11 (ouch!) first yr of transition from Young to Garcia
SF '00 - 5-11 (double ouch!!) Garcia's first full year
SF '01 - 12-4 Playoff Appearance
SF '02 - 10-6 (won NFC West) Lost in Div Round to SB Champs TB

DET '03 - 7-9
DET '04 - 7-9
DET '05 - 4-7 Before he was fired

Overall record: 75-71

Pros:
4 playoff appearances in 6 years
Helped to develop young Brett Favre (Good for JC)
Excells with talented teams
Average Record influenced by young QB (Garcia) and crappy team (Lions)
At 52 he has experience, but could coach here for awhile
His coaching background is a good fit with what we have compiled
Turned SF around after a 5-11 '96 season (11 game W streak as rookie coach)

Cons:
No Super Bowl appearances, only 1 NFC Champ. Appearance
Painfully Average record
Inability to fix sinking ship (Lions)
Success in SF could be attributed to inherited talent (Young/Rice)


Fassel:

NY '97 - 10-5 (1st in NFC East) Lost to Wild Card team
NY '98 - 8-8 (3rd in NFC East)
NY '99 - 7-9 (3rd in NFC East)
NY '00 - 12-4 ("Playoff Guarantee") Lost to BAL in Super Bowl
NY '01 - 7-9
NY '02 - 10-6 Lost to Mooch in Playoffs
NY '03 - 4-12 Fired

Overall Record: 58-53

Pros;
3 Playoff Appearances in 6 years
Coached young Simms and Elway (good for JC)
Went to SuperBowl with Kerry Collins (granted the other SB QB was Dilfer)
Ability to rally team with playoff guarantee

Cons:
Painfully Average record
Lost in Wild Card round 2/3 of playoff appearances
Teams lost disappointing games to teams they shouldn't have
Offenses were at the bottom of the league in Baltimore as OC
Older then Mooch at 59

Overall after looking at this more deeply I still maintain that Mooch is the better candidate of the 2. Their resumes are eerily similar, but even though Fassel has a SuperBowl appearance I think Mooch has the edge with 4 playoofs in which he went farther on avg. Also Mariucci is the younger of the two, so that swings me in his favor as well. Their experiences in DET and BAL are similar blemishes on their careers, but in recent history most would agree that OAK would be the tougher of the two assignments. I could see where others can see Fassel as the better option, however, and I can concede that to you, but I think there is enough evidence in looking at their resumes to suggest that the Majority reaction being more favorable for Mariucci is not simply because of GW, or NYG, but I guess yes maybe the personality helps tip things in his favor.

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I'd be ok w/ Mariucci. He got a raw deal in Detroit.

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I don't agree with it, but I would be ok with him too. He and Vinny know each other from SF. He and Zorn run the same offense. But jeez, is our next HC going to have any control over anything? I mean what HC takes a job where he has no say over his assistants?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;414265]I don't agree with it, but I would be ok with him too. He and Vinny know each other from SF. He and Zorn run the same offense. But jeez, is our next HC going to have any control over anything? I mean what HC takes a job where he has no say over his assistants?[/QUOTE]

Wade Phillips.. 13 wins later do you think his feelings are hurt?

The HC is going to have control over a lot of things. The overall tone and tenor of the team.. The discipline and cohesiveness of the team. The weekly game plans and strategy. The HC will have plenty of say, power and influence on the players and coaches, even if he didn't personally hire them.

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mods - can we add a "If it means no Fassel" selection?

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[quote=skinsfan69;414265]I don't agree with it, but I would be ok with him too. He and Vinny know each other from SF. He and Zorn run the same offense. But jeez, is our next HC going to have any control over anything? I mean what HC takes a job where he has no say over his assistants?[/quote]

He could've had input from the beginning. The Zorn hire seems like it was a safe bet for Fassel, GW or Mooch in the event that any of them were hired. Defense isn't as much his thing & the D is in good shape. I think the real question is how much long term decision making will the coach have.

Mooch last worked for Matt Millen, he might see danny & vinny as a sight for sore eyes! It will be interesting to see whoever our new head coach is, come draft time & how much input he will have w/personel decisions. Vinny's promotion doesn't necessarily mean much in terms of the power structure, at least we don't know yet if it does. Since danny said he'd keep things the same, I would expect he & vinny to still be heavily involved in drafting & acquiring free agents.

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id be happy with mooch or fassel, as long as the head coaches offensive/defensive philosophy (whichever we choose) matches with that respective coordinator. i do want an experienced head coach and not a coordinator with no nfl head coaching experience.

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[quote=Paintrain;414267]Wade Phillips.. 13 wins later do you think his feelings are hurt?

The HC is going to have control over a lot of things. The overall tone and tenor of the team.. The discipline and cohesiveness of the team. The weekly game plans and strategy. The HC will have plenty of say, power and influence on the players and coaches, even if he didn't personally hire them.[/quote]

Phillips is in a bad situation. Jason G. is making the same $ if not more than Phillips. He knows that his job is not secure cause they have the coach in waiting calling plays. Makes no sense to me.

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Mooch got run outta San Fran by TO and landed in a black hole called Detroit. He's a good coach, he works well with Cerrato, and Zorn is a perfect OC for him. I'd take Mariucci.

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[quote=GMScud;414286]Mooch got run outta San Fran by TO and landed in a black hole called Detroit. He's a good coach, he works well with Cerrato, and Zorn is a perfect OC for him. I'd take Mariucci.[/quote]
Exactly. People haven't brought up the TO factor. How much would he love to stick it to that windbag 2 times a year (or try to at least). Not only am I all for Mooch, I'd use the word "genius" for the smoke and mirrors Danny has done in assembling the staff while his choice finished other obligations.
The only reason why it won't happen? Too smart and would result in a SB trophy.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;414267]Wade Phillips.. 13 wins later do you think his feelings are hurt?

The HC is going to have control over a lot of things. The overall tone and tenor of the team.. The discipline and cohesiveness of the team. The weekly game plans and strategy. The HC will have plenty of say, power and influence on the players and coaches, even if he didn't personally hire them.[/QUOTE]

Cowboys players wanted the tuna out so Wade had an easier transition with the players then the coach in DC will. The skins players were very much behind Gibbs & GW...the cowboys players almost had a party when the tuna retired.

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For those of you that say it will be tough for any coach to follow Joe Gibbs, All I have to say is "What's to follow?" Gibbs took the team to 2 playoff apparences, but had a losing record, and was too conservative and predictable. Mooch is crazy! I like crazy. Be unpredicatable, be crazy, go for it on 4th down, be exciting. The idea of Mooch is much more palitable than Fossel, oh, sorry Fassell!

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[quote=scowan;414375]For those of you that say it will be tough for any coach to follow Joe Gibbs, All I have to say is "What's to follow?" Gibbs took the team to 2 playoff apparences, but had a losing record, and was too conservative and predictable. Mooch is crazy! I like crazy. Be unpredicatable, be crazy, go for it on 4th down, be exciting. The idea of Mooch is much more palitable than Fossel, oh, sorry Fassell![/quote]It's spelled 'Fassel'.

And it's spelled 'Fossil'.

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[QUOTE=scowan;414375]For those of you that say it will be tough for any coach to follow Joe Gibbs, All I have to say is "What's to follow?" Gibbs took the team to 2 playoff apparences, but had a losing record, and was too conservative and predictable. Mooch is crazy! I like crazy. Be unpredicatable, be crazy, go for it on 4th down, be exciting. The idea of Mooch is much more palitable than Fossel, oh, sorry Fassell![/QUOTE]


Gibbs basically had the undying support of 99% of Redskins fans. So while there may not be a ton of pressure in terms of w/l, the spectre of Joe Gibbs and what he means to this franchise is a lot to contend with.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;414380]It's spelled 'Fassel'.

And it's spelled 'Fossil'.[/QUOTE]

I was going to, but I didn't want to be a dick. Now I wish I had. Well done. LOL.

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I was typing fast, his name is Fassel, he is a Fossil and if he gets the job we will all be Fussing! Especially since it seems like the Mooch idea has built up some steam. Just read the Insider's post. Mooch makes since, because Snyder can't announce anything until after the SuperBowl and the Mooch's contract is up. He could have announced Fassel by now, BUT he hasn't, WHY NOT, because Mooch is the guy!

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[QUOTE=scowan;414387]I was typing fast, his name is Fassel, he is a Fossil and if he gets the job we will all be Fussing! Especially since it seems like the Mooch idea has built up some steam. Just read the Insider's post. Mooch makes since, because Snyder can't announce anything until after the SuperBowl and the Mooch's contract is up. He could have announced Fassel by now, BUT he hasn't, WHY NOT, because Mooch is the guy![/QUOTE]

What bearing does a TV contract have on a NFL position? There's no tampering with networks, is there?

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;414389]What bearing does a TV contract have on a NFL position? There's no tampering with networks, is there?[/QUOTE]

Not in the case of NFL Network. I believe those guys have clauses that let them discuss coaching opportunities with teams whenever and leave whenever.

Anyhow is it true that Brian Billick is about to sign on with NFL Network? Might he be replacing...

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;414389]What bearing does a TV contract have on a NFL position? There's no tampering with networks, is there?[/quote]


There is no tampering with Mooch's contract with the NFL Network, I just think Mooch wants to fullfill his contract with them before he becomes a head coach. All he has to do is wait until after Sunday and he is finished with them. I bet he enjoys what he is doing with the NFL Network, and then he can offically step away and become the coach of the Skins, if that is what is happening.