Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;417082]Eli definitely didn't suck. This thread sounds like sour grapes.

He wasn't great and yeah that prayer to Tyree was lucky, but hey shit happens. But overall he got it done.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! What about the spin move to not get sacked to even throw that ball up for grabs???

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;416917]It kinda pissed me off that Manning got the MVP, I thought that he was the luckiest sob EVER for not losing that game. It seemed to me that on every throw he made in the 4th quarter, (except for one or two) he seemed to lean back, close his eyes throw the ball and pray that his reciever would catch it, and the overthow of Burress almost lost the game. I will give him props for fighting though, he got out of a few sacks where he should have been eating dirt. Even though I thought he should have thrown the ball away instead of scramble, I'm not going to complain about that point too much.[/quote]I won't bother wasting time reading other responses to your initial post, but this has to be one of the more ignorant threads that I've seen since joining this forum. Eli led not one, but [B]TWO[/B] 80-plus yard, 4th quarter drives against a team for the ages, and perhaps the best defensive game planner ever in Belichick. Are you saying that the great throw to Boss was luck? Tyree made a sick play on the ball that Eli threw to save the winning drive, but Eli made one of the greater escapes in Super Bowl history to make that play possible. If Brady makes those two plays to save the Pats, then we're all saying that he's greater than Montana, so let's give Eli a little credit here.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=coggs;416999]Honestly thought it was going to go to someone on the D-line. Not sure off the top of my head, but they had 5 sacks I think and Brady was on his ass A LOT.[/quote]

I agree - should have been Tuck or Umenyiora (yes, I had to look up the spelling on that one).

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;416917]It kinda pissed me off that Manning got the MVP, I thought that he was the luckiest sob EVER for not losing that game. It seemed to me that on every throw he made in the 4th quarter, (except for one or two) he seemed to lean back, close his eyes throw the ball and pray that his reciever would catch it, and the overthow of Burress almost lost the game. I will give him props for fighting though, he got out of a few sacks where he should have been eating dirt. Even though I thought he should have thrown the ball away instead of scramble, I'm not going to complain about that point too much.[/QUOTE]

We must have watched different games.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

No one can give Eli too much credit for the last TD toss. I would have stood a better chance of getting on a plane, flying to Arizona, suiting up, and making a play than the Patriots DBs on that one (they were nowhere near Burress -- how can that guy have gotten so open?).

Eli is serviceable. He threw up a bunch of jump balls, many off his back foot and under pressure, and had every break go his way. In my mind, he will always be a whiny bitch for having his daddy come rescue him from the evil clutches of the San Diego Charges when he was drafted.

It's too bad that the Giants won. SB losers tend to be doormats the following year, and I would like to have seen that happen.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

Eli managed a remarkable game, and made the plays when it counted. He led them on the game winning drive, and deserved to be MVP. Besides, if the quarterback has a decent to excellent game, it's almost a guarantee that he is MVP.

If not Manning, Justin Tuck with his 6 tackles, 2 sacks and forced fumble should have been MVP.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=FRPLG;417017]And let's be honest, The Giants talent-wise are pretty thin offensively. Besides Burress they have:

2 mediocre to decent RBs with little to no value in the passing game
no discernibly good TEs with value besides blocking
1 average WR who caught the droppsies this year and scares exactly no one in the league
a bunch of no name fodder type WRs
a decent offensive line.

Not the makings of a great offense and any success had with this group can be attributed to Eli's play mostly.[/QUOTE]


Not sure I agree here. I think the Super Bowl win gives everybody a huge boost of confidence, and I can see those receivers shaping into a formidable group once they all get on the same page with Eli.

In fact, all of their "no name fodder" wideouts are basically young, so they probably have nowhere to go but up. Steve Smith has the most promise, and David Tyree showed he can come up big when they needed it most. Add that to Amani Toomer (who was the one receiver who gave Champ Bailey fits) and Plaxico when he heals up, and I'd take them over the Redskins receivers any day.

Their O-line is good enough, while Jacobs, Droughns, Cedric Ward, and Bradshaw get the job done rushing.

None of them are 'Superstars' per se, but they just proved that you don't need superstars to win the big one.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

The Giants' 'O' had their moments this year. It think they are pretty solid across the board, and with that defense that's all they need.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

Give me a TEAM of no-name guys over a collection of superstars anyday of the week and twice on sunday. Some may call Shockey a superstar or star, he goes down and the team comes together.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

mvp should of been tuck and no one else on either team earned it more in my opion ,and im a patriots fan too.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=halodoc;417284]mvp should of been tuck and no one else on either team earned it more in my opion ,and im a patriots fan too.[/quote]

I would've liked Tuck to be mvp. I wish more defensive guys got it, but it's hard to single 1 out. I wonder how Tuck's stats compared to Richard Dent's when he got the mvp in 85-6 (also v. Pats).

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=Beemnseven;417222]Not sure I agree here. I think the Super Bowl win gives everybody a huge boost of confidence, and I can see those receivers shaping into a formidable group once they all get on the same page with Eli.

In fact, all of their "no name fodder" wideouts are basically young, so they probably have nowhere to go but up. Steve Smith has the most promise, and David Tyree showed he can come up big when they needed it most. Add that to Amani Toomer (who was the one receiver who gave Champ Bailey fits) and Plaxico when he heals up, and I'd take them over the Redskins receivers any day.

Their O-line is good enough, while Jacobs, Droughns, Cedric Ward, and Bradshaw get the job done rushing.

None of them are 'Superstars' per se, but they just proved that you don't need superstars to win the big one.[/quote]

The g-men are not an explosive offense but they can move the ball enough. I think they'll be tough next year but will have some hard times. It will be a crazy fight in the nfc east. I could actually see any one of the teams winning it. I would imagine that a no. of writers will have us finishing last when camp rolls around.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=halodoc;417284]mvp should of been tuck and no one else on either team earned it more in my opion ,and im a patriots fan too.[/QUOTE]

My vote also goes to Tuck.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

My vote was for tuck. 2nd choice would have been the entire D line of the Giants, 3rd choice Tyree.
Eli had a good couple of final drives in the 4th quarter, but he also threw several lame ducks that he was fortunate not to have intercepted. The one that went right through Asante Samuels hands, the throw to Tyree was lame. He had multiple late over the middle throws that were up for grabs. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

There is a Murphy's Law that applies here:

"If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid."

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=coggs;417279]Give me a TEAM of no-name guys over a collection of superstars anyday of the week and twice on sunday. Some may call Shockey a superstar or star, he goes down and the team comes together.[/QUOTE]
Kevin Boss will make everyone forget about Shockey. Same build, same pass catching ability (at least it seems), no baggage.

Richard Dent's stats from Super Bowl XX (courtesy of Wiki): 1.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 deflected pass

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=QBall;417103]Yeah he was down 4 and drove for a winning td pass to beat the 18-0 pats but he wasn't that good.[/quote]

According to all Pats fans, it was pure luck and they're still the better team. :D

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

Ah if an MVP could go to a group it should have gone to the Giants "D" or if ya wanna solo guy to win it , then Tyree was the man. What a catch.. one that will always be remembered.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[U][B]Eli did not deserve the MVP the D-line did.[/B][/U] Fine just pick almost anyone on the D-line. Give it to Tuck for his 2 sacks and a FF, or Strahan for his leadership, whatever. The Giant did not win because of Eli, they won because of Defense.

Did anyone notice the the Pat only scored 14 points? That is the fewest they scored all year. Thats 23 points lower than their average for the year.

I know that the QB always gets more credit/blame than he deserves but can you really say anyone on the offense should get the MVP when the Giants only scored 17 themselves?

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;416917]It kinda pissed me off that Manning got the MVP, I thought that he was the luckiest sob EVER for not losing that game. It seemed to me that on every throw he made in the 4th quarter, (except for one or two) he seemed to lean back, close his eyes throw the ball and pray that his reciever would catch it, and the overthow of Burress almost lost the game. I will give him props for fighting though, he got out of a few sacks where he should have been eating dirt. Even though I thought he should have thrown the ball away instead of scramble, I'm not going to complain about that point too much.[/quote]Yeeeeeaaahhh....

I really hate the guy, no doubt about it, but you can't say he sucked. You just can't. He outplayed the so called "best QB ever to play the game."

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=djnemo65;417052]I just can't believe I live in a world where Eli is a Superbowl Champion[/quote]


............you could always leave .

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=flashalexb;416919]By no means am I a Giants fan or an Eli fan for that matter but, he didn't do that bad,[B] He threw one pick which was completly Steve Smith's fault[/B] and at the end of the game he was breaking would be sacks and threw a perfect TD pass to Plax to win the game. If he didn't deserve it who did.[/QUOTE]
But he also threw 3 or 4 passes that should have been intercepted. I think it should been the guy who got 2 sacks and 5 hits on Tom Brady (Sorry Don't remember the guys name)

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

Nah, Tom Petty sucked.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

While I couldn't believe prior to the game he had a shot at a ring, he went in there and got it done. Under extreme pressure he answered New England's TD.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

Why do people "hate" Eli? He's just not a "hateable" guy.

He led the game winning drive for a touchdown in the Super Bowl against what many people have said was the best team ever.

What more do people want from the kid?

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

Stats weren't that bad for Eli. Did a pretty decent job with the exception of the one INT and throwing short passes way too hard at times. He deserved the MVP for sure. He outplayed Brady IMHO and got the job done when it counted the most. That is more than I can say about JC.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=DirteePosse;417457]Nah, Tom Petty sucked.[/QUOTE]


Hey man, you don't have to live like a refugee. Just take your last dance with Mary Jane and freefall out into nothing.


OOOOOORRRIIIIIGGGGGHHTT. gigity.


But seriously folks (wait, thats Joe Walsh), Eli was decent IMO but the MVP really shouldve gone to Tuck. Eli was mediocre compared to others in the SB.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

once again,Eli was so-so, Tyree made 3 catches that were not very good thrown balls,
toomer saved one from going out of bounds that was a catch,and the game winning touchdown was to a all alone Plaxico after the move he put on the pats defender I did not see anything great about his play he threw 2 dropped int's by Pats defense,if Samuals don't take his eye off the ball,and miss it Patriots win. The MVP should have gone to the defensive line-hands down no question ask,THe Plaxico interview after the game first thing out of his mouth was can you give it up for that defense. He knows who the MVP was and it sure wasn't ELi.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

Asante Samuel had a chance to win the game on that sideline near-pick. I tip my hat to Eli and the Giants for beating Goliath, and I do think he or Tuck were great MVP candidates for the game. I'm just not yet sold on Eli Manning as an exceptional starter in the NFL. He's got to show me consistency throughout a regular season. But you can't take anything away from how well he played in the playoffs. Good for him.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=DirteePosse;417457]Nah, Tom Petty sucked.[/quote]

Ok you outside in the alley right now.:spank:

/am a huge Petty fan

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=geronimo;417618]once again,Eli was so-so, Tyree made 3 catches that were not very good thrown balls,
toomer saved one from going out of bounds that was a catch,and the game winning touchdown was to a all alone Plaxico after the move he put on the pats defender I did not see anything great about his play he threw 2 dropped int's by Pats defense,if Samuals don't take his eye off the ball,and miss it Patriots win. The MVP should have gone to the defensive line-hands down no question ask,THe Plaxico interview after the game first thing out of his mouth was can you give it up for that defense. He knows who the MVP was and it sure wasn't ELi.[/quote]



:hater::smashfrea

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;417597]Why do people "hate" Eli? He's just not a "hateable" guy.

He led the game winning drive for a touchdown in the Super Bowl against what many people have said was the best team ever.

What more do people want from the kid?[/QUOTE]

I agree. Do these people go to the Special Olympics and boo?

Sorry, that was bad.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

I don't think he did great, but he got the job done and most important, he was the key to throw the unbeaten patriots ha! good for him and the giants

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=Beemnseven;417597]Why do people "hate" Eli? He's just not a "hateable" guy.

He led the game winning drive for a touchdown in the Super Bowl against what many people have said was the best team ever.

What more do people want from the kid?[/quote]

I saw Eli at the entrance to the kentucky derby a couple years ago. There was a small crowd there waiting for celebrities. Saw Spike Lee, dude from Montgomery Gentry, Jermaine Dupree & some others.

This one dude in the crowd would yell something out every time one of them walked up. Most of it was good natured if not funny. Then Eli walks up w/his girl, and dude starts heckling him - "Eli, you'll always be a Charger!"

It was kind of funny but he sounded so serious. That's the only reason I can think of that people hate on Eli so much, that he didn't want to play for SD. J. Elway had a similar experience when he didn't want to play for the colts, but his career turned out ok.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;417597][b]Why do people "hate" Eli? He's just not a "hateable" guy. [/b]

He led the game winning drive for a touchdown in the Super Bowl against what many people have said was the best team ever.

What more do people want from the kid?[/QUOTE]

Cause he's not Peyton. Peyton could be the best ever, and people expect Eli to follow in his footsteps. (which he is obviously not) Eli is Eli and people need to learn to stop such high expectations. Eli will never be Peyton.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked (sponsored by the player haters ball)
 

People commenting that Eli did not play well are exactly why I am sometimes ashamed of fellow Skins fans... you cannot see anything objectively.

Considering the pressure of the game, the inexperience in the Superbowl, the litteral pressure he felt from the Pats DL -- and teh fact that he won the game for the giants. How can you not say that he didnt play well?? or wasnt mvp???

If you can give an MVP to more than 1 person -- absolutely give it to the D line. But you cant do that. Eli was the obvious and only choice and it was deserved.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=jsarno;417789]Cause he's not Peyton. Peyton could be the best ever, and people expect Eli to follow in his footsteps. (which he is obviously not) Eli is Eli and people need to learn to stop such high expectations. Eli will never be Peyton.[/quote]
Plus, Eli has that whole "mouth breather" look going on.

I just can't take the kid seriously sometimes. ;)

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[quote=geronimo;417618]once again,Eli was so-so, Tyree made 3 catches that were not very good thrown balls,
toomer saved one from going out of bounds that was a catch,and the game winning touchdown was to a all alone Plaxico after the move he put on the pats defender I did not see anything great about his play he threw 2 dropped int's by Pats defense,if Samuals don't take his eye off the ball,and miss it Patriots win. The MVP should have gone to the defensive line-hands down no question ask,THe Plaxico interview after the game first thing out of his mouth was can you give it up for that defense. He knows who the MVP was and it sure wasn't ELi.[/quote]
While Tryree made a great third down catch it was Eli who some how got loose ran around the line and got the pass off. If he does not break loose from that sack they do not convert that third down and probably give the ball back to the Pats and a good chance the game.

Re: I hate to be the hater, but Eli sucked
 

[QUOTE=firstdown;417862]While Tryree made a great third down catch it was Eli who some how got loose ran around the line and got the pass off. If he does not break loose from that sack they do not convert that third down and probably give the ball back to the Pats and a good chance the game.[/QUOTE]

yes once again that one escape keeps the drive alive but the pass was all Tyree the ball was still poorly thrown and if Samuals don't miss that earlier poor thrown ball that went right threw his hands -Game Over.......
like I said he was o.k (so-so) but 8 out of 10 games Tom Brady crushes the Giants It was the D that should have won the MVP. let me tell you something, the best team does not always win the superbowl 1 game every year, credit should go to Spags and the Defense, if Giants don't play the Pats last game of the season, Giants loose..