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Did I see it right? It looked like to me that Belichick gave an official a little push out of the way when going out to meet Coughlin.

Wouldn't surprise me, seeing how he shoves reporters too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;417343]To be clear, I don't condone or applaud what Belichick did. I don't think it should be too hard to stay on the field another few seconds and take defeat like a true professional.

All I'm saying is it's not like he didn't congratulate Coughlin at all and it just seems like this is how he's going to be and I just don't see him changing his ways. I don't know that he can be "forced" to do otherwise.[/quote]

Yeah, he did nothing against any rules, so I am sure he wont catch any heat from the NFL, but it certainly was unsportsmanlike. For as much as this team loves to bitch about people hating on them, to do something so childish just goes to show why the catch so much flak. You would hope that as a dynasty that has won three super bowls they would have some class, and be able to take what they've been dishing out for so many years. It is a discredit to them, IMO. It may not be a serious lapse of judgment with serious consequences, but it was certainly childish. I have no anger or resentment towards him for it. In fact, it was utterly delightful to watch him stamp off the field grimacing. What a sore loser!!

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;417273]A few years ago in a Week 17 matchup with playoff implications for the Vikes, Randy Moss walked off of the field when it appeared the Redskins had all but wrapped up the game. Moss caught hell for it in the press. On the game's biggest stage, Belichick walked off the field before the game was over. Why isn't Belichick getting roasted the same way Moss did? Granted, Belichick shook Coughlin's hand, but the game was not over.

Now, this "scandal" pales in comparison to Spygate and other incidents involving Belichick, but it's noteworthy. To the extent that people are scrutinizing Belichick's behavior, Belichick brought that on himself for developing a well-deserved reputation of being a classless jerk.

I know "class" and respect for the game means little to some, but it means quite a bit to people like myself who believe that football is more than a game of X and Os and numbers.[/quote]

I am totally with you on this one Sheriff. NO-ONE and I mean no-one is above the game.

How is this not hurting the NFL's image is just beyond me. It is telling the millions of kids and young athletes that if you lose, the rules don't apply no more. This game is being broadcasted internationaly and the NFL should do something about BB acting infront of the whole world like the NFL is his little bitch. I am thinking a suspension of couple of games would be fit.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;417273]A few years ago in a Week 17 matchup with playoff implications for the Vikes, Randy Moss walked off of the field when it appeared the Redskins had all but wrapped up the game. Moss caught hell for it in the press. On the game's biggest stage, Belichick walked off the field before the game was over. [B]Why isn't Belichick getting roasted the same way Moss did? [/B]Granted, Belichick shook Coughlin's hand, but the game was not over.

Now, this "scandal" pales in comparison to Spygate and other incidents involving Belichick, but it's noteworthy. To the extent that people are scrutinizing Belichick's behavior, Belichick brought that on himself for developing a well-deserved reputation of being a classless jerk.

I know "class" and respect for the game means little to some, but it means quite a bit to people like myself who believe that football is more than a game of X and Os and numbers.[/quote]
To answer your question, I think it's probably because a coach walking off is completely different than a player. Pretty much I don't think these are parallel situations.

I'm not saying I didn't raise an eyebrow when he walked off the fields, but It wasn't the same kind of "whateva, I do what I want!", mentality. He shook hands, lost gracefully, and peaced out.

I'm not one to give BB the benefit of the doubt, because I legitimately don't like him, I just don't think this and the RM incident in D.C. is a good comparison.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;417343]To be clear, I don't condone or applaud what Belichick did. I don't think it should be too hard to stay on the field another few seconds and take defeat like a true professional.

All I'm saying is it's not like he didn't congratulate Coughlin at all and it just seems like this is how he's going to be and I just don't see him changing his ways. I don't know that he can be "forced" to do otherwise.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that Bellichick probably doesn't see anything wrong with it. He isn't going to do the little things that raise his stature to the level of class that a Joe Gibbs has ("Win with class guys").

As others have said, not caring what others think is one thing - being devoid of common courtesy and ignoring commonly accepted standards of sportsmansip is something else all together.

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Here's why it wasn't a big deal - [B][U]the timekeeper messed up and ran the clock to zero[/U][/B]. When Belicheat ran on the field, the game was, arguably, over as far as he knew (as in :00). He didn't just say "F- the last play, I'm going on the field".

Now, he obviously knew at some point that the refs had put the clock back to :01. The [U]classy[/U] move would have been to LEAD your team back to the sideline and let the game end. However, we all know Belicheat isn't classy. So, while it's not surprising, it's really not a big deal.

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[quote=mheisig;417213]One second left or not, it's damn poor leadership to leave your team out there.....I don't care if it was a mere formality to end the game, no good leader walks off and leaves 11 of his defenders to finish it out.

A good leader is the first in and the last out, at least if he wants to maintain any sense of respect. If I were Belichick's players, I'd be royally pissed right now.[/quote]
Agreed 100%. Piss-poor by BB IMO. Tom Coughlin didn't run to the Fox podium or off to do interviews, he went back to the sidelines with his team to run the last play. BB should face some sort of fine/suspension. Total disrespect & disregard for not only the Giants & the NFL , but most importantly his players.

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[quote=onlydarksets;417436]Here's why it wasn't a big deal - [B][U]the timekeeper messed up and ran the clock to zero[/U][/B]. When Belicheat ran on the field, the game was, arguably, over as far as he knew (as in :00). He didn't just say "F- the last play, I'm going on the field".

Now, he obviously knew at some point that the refs had put the clock back to :01. The [U]classy[/U] move would have been to LEAD your team back to the sideline and let the game end. However, we all know Belicheat isn't classy. So, while it's not surprising, it's really not a big deal.[/quote]


right on point. :goodjob:

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I totally agree, the ref was right there plain as day saying there was time left on the clock.

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If this was soccer then that one second woulnd't have mattered. Oh well goes to show you how rigourously timed football is. "NO THERES ONE SECOND LEFT ON THE CLOCK YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT OFFICAL OR ELSE THE NFL WILL FINE YOU!!!"

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[IMG]http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/02/04/1202130047_9973.jpg[/IMG] "Where's my Coach?"

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;417427]To answer your question, I think it's probably because a coach walking off is completely different than a player. Pretty much I don't think these are parallel situations.

I'm not saying I didn't raise an eyebrow when he walked off the fields, but It wasn't the same kind of "whateva, I do what I want!", mentality. He shook hands, lost gracefully, and peaced out.

I'm not one to give BB the benefit of the doubt, because I legitimately don't like him, I just don't think this and the RM incident in D.C. is a good comparison.[/QUOTE]

If anything, I think the coach has a higher duty than his players to stay on the field until the fat lady has officially sung. Leaders lead by example and Belichick's example was poor. But, as others have noted, it's not a big deal.....it's just noteworthy.

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Alright lets take bets. I'll bet anyone that Belicheck never watches Super Bowl XLII.,

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Who cares! He lost! He's a loser!

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Classless winner, and even more classless loser. He got exactly what the doctor ordered last night. I hear that he might even be suspended for a few games next season if congress gets its way regarding the so-called "spygate" stuff.

In an aside, why must every scandal be labled so and so-gate? Watergate was a light years ago for all you media types. The glory of Woodward and Bernstein died a long time ago! Get over it!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;417429]The problem is that Bellichick probably doesn't see anything wrong with it. He isn't going to do the little things that raise his stature to the level of class that a Joe Gibbs has ("Win with class guys").

As others have said, not caring what others think is one thing - being devoid of common courtesy and ignoring commonly accepted standards of sportsmansip is something else all together.[/quote]

For all the hell Joe Gibbs took in his second go round he always remained nothing but class. That's just another reason why I respect the man so much.

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This is not the nicest man to begin with and he just suffered what was probably the worst loss in NFL history considering all that was on the line for him. So under the circumstances his actions are not all that bad.

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no big deal at all, he wasn't pouting, nor was he impolite with the handshake. turnover on downs, 1 sec left = game over...he knew it.

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I think the professional, good sportsmanship move would have been to stay until the game was truly over. It would've been great if the Giants had not taken a knee.

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[quote=Redskin;417151]Yea, I just felt that it was another example of how classless Belichick is. I thinnk everyone knew this would happen if they lost.[/quote]

no doubt! Randy Moss caught 10 different kinds of hell for doing it a couple of years ago,Bilicheck is no different!Classless move.It sends the wrong message.What a crybaby.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;417168]I saw the hand shake and walk off. While I agree that he did shake hands and clearly offered words to Coughlin, my gut feeling is that it was poor sportsmanship. Was it the worst I've ever seen? Nope. Was it consistent with his apparent attitude towards winning and losing? Yup. Does either of those make it the right thing to do? Nope.

It was a meaningless second. He (as anyone would) wanted to get out of there. Do either of those reasons excuse a coach from leaving before his team is off the field? IMHO, no. You're the boss (as he has so evidently made clear in the past). You wait until the game is over and head out. (No need to shake hands a second time). Otherwise, you're just leaving your players out there to face the celebrations alone.

Many a coach stood there for meaningless minutes while your team played its starters with the game's outcome settled - You can man up and wait one second for the game to end.

Belichick is a great coach, but that doesn't mean he should be or is excused from being a poor sport.[/quote]

Great post my ideas exactly.