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Screencap of CNN reporting on Putin's visit to Berlin. Too bad they moved Switzerland up and over to the Czech republic's spot on the map.

Notice how naming the Netherlands and Belgium was clearly to big a task.

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[quote=firstdown;419347]were do you get these clips from?
William Jefferson is a D/LA.[/quote]

William Jefferson is a Dem but is that him in the picture?

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Buster,

I don't think anyone is claiming other news agencies don't make mistakes or that they are totally unbiased. In my opinion, most major networks and newspapers are center-left (e.g., biased in favor of Dems). For example, nearly all mainstream newspapers endorse Dems during Presidential races.
HOWEVER, Fox News is far and away more biased than the "mainstream media." Fox News' support of the right is far more extreme than the mainstream media's support of the left.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;419369]Buster,

I don't think anyone is claiming other news agencies don't make mistakes or that they are totally unbiased. In my opinion, most major networks and newspapers are center-left (e.g., biased in favor of Dems). For example, nearly all mainstream newspapers endorse Dems during Presidential races.

HOWEVER, Fox News is far and away more biased than the "mainstream media." Fox News' support of the right is far more extreme than the mainstream media's support of the left.[/quote]

Fox News is biased to the opposite views that the rest of the media's bias.

You posted a bunch of shots showing Fox mistakes, I'll just show other mistakes by other media sources? What's wrong with that?

So you admit that most other news sources are biased towards and endorse Democrats? ONE news outlet supports Republicans and you are so offended? The score is thousands-1 in favor of Dems and you think that a single news source showing the other side is horrible?

Sounds like something Stalin would say. "Hear me or hear nothing!"

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[quote=saden1;419368]William Jefferson is a Dem but is that him in the picture?[/quote]

He's also very corrupt and is in legal trouble. I don't see an issue in that photo if it's him.

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[QUOTE=Buster;419373]Fox News is biased to the opposite views that the rest of the media's bias.

So you admit that most other news sources are biased towards and endorse Democrats? ONE news outlet supports Republicans and you are so offended? The score is thousands-1 in favor of Dems and you think that a single news source showing the other side is horrible?

Sounds like something Stalin would say. "Hear me or hear nothing!"[/QUOTE]

I don't care for the mainstream media's left-leaning views and coverage. But, seeing as how Fox takes things to extremes, I find them comical. Do you admit that Fox leans right?

As for the score being "thousands-1" in favor of Dems, I don't think that's quite true. Talk radio is dominated by conservatives. Print media is dominated by center-lefties. Most networks are slightly left of center, but Fox is far right of center. In my view, it's pretty much a wash.

Finally, I never said I was offended by Fox News. I am not, but it seems like you are offended by criticism of Fox News. Nor am I offended by the left-of-center press. I prefer truly "fair and balanced" reporting, which is why I generally look to PBS, the BBC, and others for my news. I still watch some CNN and Fox News and read the NYT and WP, but I take everything they say with a big fat grain of salt.

PS - We should probably start a new thread if we are going to continue this discussion.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;419383]I don't care for the mainstream media's left-leaning views and coverage. But, seeing as how Fox takes things to extremes, I find them comical. Do you admit that Fox leans right?

As for the score being "thousands-1" in favor of Dems, I don't think that's quite true. Talk radio is dominated by conservatives. Print media is dominated by center-lefties. Most networks are slightly left of center, but Fox is far right of center. In my view, it's pretty much a wash.

Finally, I never said I was offended by Fox News. I am not, but it seems like you are offended by criticism of Fox News. Nor am I offended by the left-of-center press. I prefer truly "fair and balanced" reporting, which is why I generally look to PBS, the BBC, and others for my news. I still watch some CNN and Fox News and read the NYT and WP, but I take everything they say with a big fat grain of salt.

PS - We should probably start a new thread if we are going to continue
this discussion.[/quote]

PBS is about a far left as you say FOX is far right. They are the most Bias of the media out there. Fox has right leaning people who have there shows but they say they are right wing and do not act as if they are media. Now the FOX news is pretty even keel if you ask me but people confuse their news to their shows like "The ORally Factor". Which is no secert is right leaning. Its these national news channells which lean left but act as if they are fair news outlets just reporting the story. If they would not hide behind the "I'm just a reporter reporting" and tell us what they are then all would be good. I read somewhere that like 90% of the media votes Dem.

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I'm starting a new thread about media bias. Please redirect your comments there.

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[quote=Buster;419375]He's also very corrupt and is in legal trouble. I don't see an issue in that photo if it's him.[/quote]

The problem is it's not him, it's John Conyer and it was during the Gonzales hearings.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;419369]Buster,

I don't think anyone is claiming other news agencies don't make mistakes or that they are totally unbiased. In my opinion, most major networks and newspapers are center-left (e.g., biased in favor of Dems). For example, nearly all mainstream newspapers endorse Dems during Presidential races.
HOWEVER, Fox News is far and away more biased than the "mainstream media." [B]Fox News' support of the right is far more extreme than the mainstream media's support of the left.[/B][/QUOTE]

That seems like a rather silly statement to make since it's virtually impossible to quantify.

I liked Fox News when it first came out, but over the past two years I've come to realize every major news network out there is pushing nothing but propaganda.

I had a few friends who were on a SWAT team that went to New Orleans during Katrina and several friends who served in Iraq. In other words, I've heard first-hand stories from guys who have been at the center of some of the major news stories in recent years, and to a man they tell me that almost everything on the major news networks is crap.

At best it's full of gross factual errors, at worst they're flat out lying and know damn well what they're doing.

CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, whoever, it's a giant steaming crock of propaganda.

Bottom line: if watching CNN makes you feel better because they may lie a 95 times out of a 100 when Fox lies 96 times out of a 100, then I guess that's your choice. Personally I don't waste my time with network news any more.

My advice: do your own research and take everything with a grain of salt.

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[QUOTE=mheisig;419470]That seems like a rather silly statement to make since it's virtually impossible to quantify.[/QUOTE]

I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to [U]believe[/U] that Fox is more biased in its reporting than the other networks.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;419480]I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to [U]believe[/U] that Fox is more biased in its reporting than the other networks.[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree with you there, but the original statement wasn't phrased to lead the reader that is was an opinion or belief, but that it was a statement of fact ;)

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I think the "right" misunderstands the nature of news. This is specifically regarding the reporting of violence in Iraq. The right will say, they're not telling us the good things that are happening in Iraq.

If a plane takes off in Chicago and safely lands in New York -- that's not going to make the news. If it crashes, then it's going to be on the front page. Now, is that mainstream media bias when they don't tell us about safe landings? Generally speaking, "good things" that happen isn't news.

Listening to Rush Limbaugh compain about the "drive by media" is like listening to someone complain that the sky is blue. It's just the way it is (to quote Cronkite).

Deal with it.

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[quote=saden1;418647]What issues do you feel he hasn't addressed or talked about? You can't make a blanket statement like that and if you are back it up or include all the other candidates cause they fair no better.

I do agree that he talks pretty which is why he is getting a lot of support but I don't think that's all there is to him.[/quote]


I'm not the only one. Joe Klein, who is no conservative writes:

[T]here was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism — "We are the ones we've been waiting for" — of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you." That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is...There is an odd, anachronistic formality to Obama's stump speech: it is always the same. It sets his audiences afire, but it does not reach very far beyond them. It is no accident that Obama is nearly invincible in caucus states, where the ability to mobilize a hard core of activists is key — but not so strong in primaries, where more diverse masses of people are involved. He should be very worried that this nomination is likely to be decided in the big working-class primary states of Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.

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[quote=Buster;419375]He's also very corrupt and is in legal trouble. I don't see an issue in that photo if it's him.[/quote]

The photo was of John Conyers, not William Jefferson.

Fox is Conservative, but I'm not convinced that it's more Conservative than MSNBC or The New York Times are Liberal. Bias always seems more severe when your own ox is being gored. That's why so many on the left are horrified by Fox and convinced that the others are pillars of objectivity, which of course they're not. Bill Moyers had a special on PBSthe basic theme of which could be summarized as "Things were a lot easier when our side had a monopoly on the news." And they think this is a reasonable position.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;419480]I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to [U]believe[/U] that Fox is more biased in its reporting than the other networks.[/quote]


when your pretty much the only network that leans to the right, your going to stick out and be noticed.

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Fox is most assuredly more supportive of the "old time" values that are favored on the right. I like the perspective though, a majority of the rest of the country's media outlets are owned by former hippies.

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Not all Democrats are bad people. Today there is one fewer in the good column, unfortunately. RIP Rep. Lantos.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lantos]Tom Lantos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=70Chip;420521][B]Not all Democrats are bad people.[/B] Today there is one fewer in the good column, unfortunately. RIP Rep. Lantos.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lantos"]Tom Lantos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL][/quote]
huh? what a statement

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[quote=dmek25;420753]huh? what a statement[/quote]


Is it your position that all Democrats ARE bad people? I was trying to be generous.

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[quote=70Chip;420807]Is it your position that all Democrats ARE bad people? I was trying to be generous.[/quote]

Yes, lets just judge everyone by their political affiliations. :doh: So you're being generous by saying that most democrats are bad people but they're some who aren't?

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so because one republican senator was caught in a bathroom, they are all?

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[quote=dmek25;420830]so because one republican senator was caught in a bathroom, they are all?[/quote]

You know all Republican senators are closet cases. :laughing2

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Here's some more on Romney... and how he is a huge douchebag.


[url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=156319&title=romney-is-a-douche]The Douche Vote | The Daily Show | Comedy Central[/url]

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i think, for the most part, all people serving in political office mean the best. their views get skewered by money and power. and some by their own parties agenda. we need to over look the , " if a republican said it, it must be right" mentality. this also goes for the democrats. all i know is, whoever takes over running this great country, they have one helluva a mess to clean up

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I'm kind of glad McCain is so far ahead. I don't think Huckabee can catch up that dude doesn't believe in anything. He doesn't believe in gay marriage which many people don't and I can get with that. But he doesn't even wanna allow civil unions and then compares 2 gay people being together as similar to beastiality. He doesn't believe in evolution or probably photosynthesis.

He'd probably suggest a constituational amendment against interracial marriage if he got the chance. :doh: I don't like McCain (Hell I'm a democrat, I'm not really for any Republican) But I'd rather see McCain anyday over Huckabee.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;420826]Yes, lets just judge everyone by their political affiliations. :doh: So you're being generous by saying that most democrats are bad people but they're some who aren't?[/quote]


I think I demonstrated by expressing my sadness at the passing of Lantos that I am capable of overlooking someone's party affilliation. But I think it's odd that you would expect a Republican to think that Democrats are good people. I certainly don't think that Democrats believe Republicans are good people. They're always accusing us of stealing from the poor, beating up gays, dragging blacks down the highway behind our pickup trucks while we sing aloing to Toby Keith. The whole thrust of Democratic politics is to portray themselves as forces of light, fighting against the evil forces of Republican darkness. So I feel I'm perfectly entitled to hold the same opinion in reverse.

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its really time for a democrat in the white house

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[quote=70Chip;421121]I think I demonstrated by expressing my sadness at the passing of Lantos that I am capable of overlooking someone's party affilliation. But I think it's odd that you would expect a Republican to think that Democrats are good people. I certainly don't think that Democrats believe Republicans are good people. They're always accusing us of stealing from the poor, beating up gays, dragging blacks down the highway behind our pickup trucks while we sing aloing to Toby Keith. The whole thrust of Democratic politics is to portray themselves as forces of light, fighting against the evil forces of Republican darkness. So I feel I'm perfectly entitled to hold the same opinion in reverse.[/quote]

That's a pretty narrow way of handling it. That's like saying if someone killed my dog, I should be able to kill theirs in return. Kinda not the best way of looking at things. I believe Republicans are fine people so long as their main intent isn't on putting people down/getting rid of them (Gays, Blacks, etc) Democrats aren't free of blame either. But come on, its politics. Everyone lies, cheats and steals from everyone else. One of the reason things are so screwed up is because nobody wants to reach over the damn political lines and try to work together. This whole, you act like this towards me, so I'm gonna act like this towards you is part of the reason why the world is so ****ed up now. Is it that hard to just be civil towards one another? Nobody said you ever had to like them, just respect them so long as they respect you and if they don't you leave it alone. Not drag it through the mud.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;421336] Nobody said you ever had to like them, just respect them so long as they respect you and if they don't you leave it alone. Not drag it through the mud.[/quote]

If you want to play it that way, feel free.

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thinking the way you do is why nothing ever gets done in congress. no one will listen to another parties ideas, because their ideas came from the " opposition" hopefully Mr Obama will win, and try to unite our great country

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[quote=dmek25;421768]thinking the way you do is why nothing ever gets done in congress. no one will listen to another parties ideas, because their ideas came from the " opposition" hopefully Mr Obama will win, and try to unite our great country[/quote]

Agreed. But you can't change primitive thinkers dmek, no point in trying to change it now. They're too set in their ways. People just love to push the other guy down when given a chance.

Can't hurt to try though, I suppose.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;421768]thinking the way you do is why nothing ever gets done in congress. no one will listen to another parties ideas, because their ideas came from the " opposition" hopefully Mr Obama will win, and try to unite our great country[/QUOTE]

Do you think Obama is more likely than McCain to work across party lines? If you do, please explain why

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[quote=SmootSmack;421772]Do you think Obama is more likely than McCain to work across party lines? If you do, please explain why[/quote]

I'm not saying anyone is more likely. (Even though I know you were addressing dmek). I feel like no matter who runs this country they have to be willing to reach across party lines from time to time to unite and be overall successful.

Although I don't agree with that 100 year war thing..

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From all the rhetoric I've been hearing amongst the candidates...

I really can't believe that anyone is going to literally bring all of the troops home within four years. A decrease in troops... maybe, but a total withdrawal seems unlikely to me.

I know it's a popular buzz topic that's been floating around, but I just can't make sense of it. The place is a wreck, and it would cause widespread chaos if we just straight up dipped out.

I'm not saying we should stay in Iraq 100 years... I'm just saying that I don't think it's likely any of the candidates will withdraw all of the troops within four... otherwise we'll be back in in even less time.